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Post by darksephir on Mar 16, 2012 20:47:04 GMT 8
*super mega epic ultra legendary FACEPALM* typical gma 7... protecting their reporters. may kinikilingan, may pinoprotektahan, puro kasinungalingan... serbisyong kat@ng@han lang. makes me even more disappointed after PH's loss against TKM.
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Post by materkush on Mar 16, 2012 21:06:46 GMT 8
un napanood k talaga walang kwenta ang gma talagang iwas pusoy sila sa mnga MAIN topic.witch is RACIST comments ang dinidiin nila un sexual harrasment.ito lng bilang isang lalake ang tanda na nang nagrereklamo isipin nyo b may asim p b yan para sa mnga batang team natin? my brother always sees guirado laging clubing ang trip nya kng gus2 nya mang bastos or gumalaw nang babae para ilabas ang kanyang init sa katwan e bkt pipiliin nya ang gurang kesa sa fresh???
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Post by dynamiteglove on Mar 16, 2012 21:23:20 GMT 8
wala daw nakitang racist or even discriminatory??? WTF!!! F**K GMA7!!! sorry mods di ko talagang maiwasan mag mura, di parin ako maka get-over sa pagkatalo ng NT.. SCREW GMA7!!!
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Post by kelvinreambonanza on Mar 16, 2012 21:26:52 GMT 8
I blame GMA 7 for the lost of the Azkals, don't ask reasons I just blame them. Wala na kasi akong maisip na pwede pag-balingan.
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Post by fadzki on Mar 16, 2012 21:36:20 GMT 8
I blame GMA 7 for the lost of the Azkals, don't ask reasons I just blame them. Wala na kasi akong maisip na pwede pag-balingan. Santi Araneta @santiaraneta I think Arnold Clavio has distracted our true Filipino boys performance!!!! Tol... hindi ka nag iisa... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by stellarboy on Mar 16, 2012 22:26:45 GMT 8
Arnold Clavio's comments cause a storm on social mediaBY ROY MOORE March 16, 2012 1:26pm Trending on Twitter and the subject of an online petition, GMA morning news co-anchor Arnold Clavio is facing a lot of heat for comments made about the Philippine Azkals on air. Rising to the fifth trending topic on Twitter in the Philippines at the time of this posting, and with GMA Network facing heavy pressure on the Internet, it seems another scandal involving the Azkals is taking some shine away from their fairy-tale run in the AFC Challenge Cup. Probably the worst offending remark was to suggest that the Azkals, with two members accused of sexual harassment, weren't even Filipino: "Hindi naman kayo Pilipino, nagpapanggap lang kayong kayumanggi, hindi kayo dito lumaki, mahirap iyun" ("You’re not really Filipino, you're only pretending to be brown, you didn't grow up here; that's difficult"). Since their rise to fame, the Azkals have faced these kinds of comments online. Some have pointed to the manner in which many of the players grew up abroad, often calling them half-breeds and demanding more 'local' players; calling for more 'pure' Filipinos, inferring or directly calling the others 'impure.' This distinction between 'pure' Filipinos, half-breeds and foreigners is probably more common than many people give it credit for. Given the reaction many people made when Matthew Hartmann abandoned the PHL U23 side during the SEA Games, or when Mark Hartmann posted on Twitter that being a substitute was a waste of time, the comments look quite familiar. The difference in this case, especially to anyone who knows Lexton Moy or Angel Guirado, is that they're very different people. While the Hartmann brothers had publicly made their actions, Moy and Guirado are accused, and until recently, only one side of the story was told until they finally said that the 'B cup' comment was referring to Denis Wolf and that Guirado was wearing shorts and not underwear. A responsible journalist may have done better finding out the real story before commenting on the issue. What is a Filipino? The kind of logic behind the racist comments, though, goes to some dark places rather quickly. Godwin's law is a famous argument that suggests the longer an online argument goes on, the more likely it is that someone criticizes something by comparing it to one of Hitler's beliefs. Given the discussion on who is and who is not of 'pure' race, this is probably one of the easier jumps to make. So of course the Azkals are legally Filipino. In one article generated by the controversy, Allen Faith of Soccercentral.ph notes that under the 1987 Constitution, "A person gets his nationality because of natural phenomenon or ancestry, with the following common provisions: a. He was born in that country, b. At least one of his parents is a citizen of that country." Giving the examples of Ray Jonsson, as someone born in Cebu, and Angel Guirado, whose mother is Filipina, it is clear that all of the Azkals are Filipino. Yet, Clavio's point was beyond the legal sense of nationality and to a more cultural sense of national identity. Kick racism out of football… and out of everywhere else, too The Azkals have always had critics who have tried to use race as a weapon to tear them down. Following the 2-0 loss to North Korea, several comments followed the match report on GMA News Online, including comments saying, "Stop glamorizing these losers. They are no good. They are not even drafted in their own country" or "In my personal opinion, it is better to lose na full blooded Filipinos ang lumalaban kaysa umi-import ka ng madami e talo pa din." Some comments, better not to be published again, are far more offensive. Racism is unwelcome anywhere and football has had several campaigns to rid the beautiful game of a very ugly prejudice. The Kick Racism Out of Football campaign particularly helped change attitudes in England, where racism is far less tolerated now than before. Of course, racism still exists there and wherever it exists, it is the duty of any decent person to take a stand against it. This new case, of Clavio, is particularly sensitive though, because it was so personalized and public. Directed at two of the Azkals specifically, though inferring some of the others, social media is being dominated by this issue, singularly condemning Clavio. Clavio’s official statement In response to some of the criticisms, Clavio tried to put the matter into context and redirect attention to the sexual harassment case, rather than apologize, and made this official statement: Mga igan, nakakalungkot na may negatibong reaksyon ang naging pahayag ko tungkol sa Philippine Azkals kaugnay ng sexual harassment complaint ni Ms. Cristy Ramos. Wala po akong ganoong intensyon. Ang isyu po rito ay sexual harassment at kung may nagamit man po akong mga salita na hindi angkop, nagpapakumbaba po ako at humihingi ng pang-unawa. Dun naman po sa mga kasama kong nanindigan laban sa sexual harassment, maraming salamat po. Seryoso pong isyu ito na dapat bantayan.GMA Network issued a statement in response to the Philippine Football Federation's letter about Clavio. — OMD/RSJ/JVP, GMA News www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/251681/sports/opinion/arnold-clavio-s-comments-cause-a-storm-on-social-media
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Post by random on Mar 16, 2012 22:47:17 GMT 8
It's not even "sexual harassment", even if we take only Cristy Ramos's word for it. Sexual harassment has a very specific legal definition as has been pointed out in this thread before (boss-subordinate relationship, sexual favors, etc.). At most one can say it is "boorish/indecent/rude behavior" towards an older female official, that's it. But now that we've heard at least part of the story from the other side, it is clearly more a case of an unfortunate misunderstanding that was needlessly blown up by the alleged "victim". Ginatungan pa nitong soccerball-shaped talkinghead.
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Post by materkush on Mar 17, 2012 0:30:25 GMT 8
I blame GMA 7 for the lost of the Azkals, don't ask reasons I just blame them. Wala na kasi akong maisip na pwede pag-balingan. Santi Araneta @santiaraneta I think Arnold Clavio has distracted our true Filipino boys performance!!!! Tol... hindi ka nag iisa... ;D ;D ;D GMA vs ABS-CBN PFF ding ding ding round 1.IMHO they didnt lost of the distraction they lost because of the 3 key players and a sub thats old enuff to be a grand dad.gener is a good player,but IMHO his time playing for the NT is over let the new lads take his chair.if he still wants to be included in our NT he should be move to a certain place hinde na nya kayang habulin un bola. this isnt the first time that we saw him as the weak link pati si dapa araneta isama nyo na ren.our SUB is full of MF and FW we need more defenders hopefully in the future they can find some young lads that is willing to be part of our NT.
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Post by dingodile5 on Mar 17, 2012 15:50:22 GMT 8
Ang tapang pa nilang magsalita. Todo proteksyon sila.
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Post by narko on Mar 17, 2012 16:28:16 GMT 8
What's worse guys, if you check out Criticaleye2's (he's with the PFF) blog, he mentions the GMA response as posted on their online site but also notes that GMA has not yet even bothered to provide a written response to the PFF's letter.
How ironic that GMA pontificates about sexual harassment on the Ramos case, yet cites freedom of expression as a constitutionally protected right for Clavio's blatantly racist and discriminatory remarks. If racist remarks are protected by the constitution, what's the difference then between that and sexist remarks? (Not that I'm saying those accused are guilty, that still is to be determined. Just trying to make a point with regard to GMA's reasoning) Following that line of reasoning wouldn't it be logical to say that everyone is free and has the right to voice out your opinions, no matter how offending and crass they are?
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Post by stellarboy on Mar 18, 2012 22:17:05 GMT 8
Editorial Goal differencePhilippine Daily Inquirer 11:35 pm | Saturday, March 17th, 2012 Sometimes, even the greatest of goals can be obscured by the worst penalties. The national football team, more popularly known as the Philippine Azkals, continues on its drive to improve on the Philippines’ history as a footballing nation. Since their breakout a few years ago, the Azkals have been at the helm of a surge in football popularity in a country that even has its own league – the Unified Football League – with regularly televised games, as well as a fan base that is both knowledgeable and fanatic in its following. They remain the biggest football attraction in town, and they recently did the Philippines proud with an unprecedented performance in the Asian Football Confederation Challenge Cup in Kathmandu, Nepal. In their best run yet, the Azkals downed India and Tajikistan to barge into the semifinals for the first time, setting a date with a Turkmenistan team that routed them, 0-5, in 2009. Against Turkmenistan on Friday, the Azkals actually went ahead, 1-0, before bowing out in a disastrous endgame, 1-2. Nevertheless, the team – now ranked 156th in the world – did what it had set out to do, which was to improve on its previous performances, enough to nurture hope for a stronger showing in the future World Cup qualifiers. Unfortunately, the Azkals are dogged by controversy at home, which takes some of the shine off their bright sojourn in Kathmandu for the Challenge Cup. Much of it has to do with the incident in the Azkals dugout at the Rizal Memorial Stadium before the team’s friendly with Malaysia on Feb. 29. Former Philippine Olympic Commission president Cristy Ramos, a daughter of former President Fidel V. Ramos and serving as commissioner for the international friendly, had visited the Azkals dugout as part of her pre-match inspection. In the complaint she subsequently filed with the AFC Disciplinary Committee, Ramos said that while she was in the dugout, two of the Azkals “ridiculed” her, “with one player disrespectfully asking for the size of her brassiere, which was followed by a roar of laughter.” She also said that another Azkal was half-naked in her presence, in violation of international football decorum. The Philippine Football Federation, the sport’s national ruling body, has begun an investigation of the matter through its disciplinary committee, according to PFF general secretary Rolly Tulay. The Azkals have expressed regret through team manager Dan Palami. “I sincerely apologize to Commissioner Ramos for the distress this situation has caused her,” Palami said in a statement, adding that “if it is proven that there was in fact malicious intent, I will make sure that proper sanctions are meted out.” He also promised a thorough inquiry, saying that “like Commissioner Ramos, I also believe that sexual harassment should not be tolerated in any situation.” The controversy triggered disparate reactions from opposing quarters. Some called for immediate sanctions, noting that this was the second incident involving the Azkals and accusations of sexual harassment. They said that Ramos was merely carrying out her duties as a commissioner, that what the players had done would tarnish whatever treasure they would find in their upcoming games, and that no matter how popular or successful the Azkals had become, they were not above the law or the sanctions to be imposed by the PFF. Then there were those who even blamed Ramos for what had happened in what, they pointed out, was a men’s locker room. They said believing Ramos’ claims reflected a lack of patriotism because support for the national football team included backing it even against charges of sexual harassment. But support for the team and a determined effort to find out what happened in the dugout – and, if necessary, impose the appropriate sanctions – are not mutually exclusive. One can continue to cheer on the Azkals in their sporting milestones without turning a blind eye to the accusations of sexual harassment which, in this day and age, has no place in civilized society. After all, representing the country is a high honor with stringent requirements, especially in the international setting. Those who carry our flag in competition should be beyond reproach. Let the authorities carry out a proper investigation and let the red cards fall where they may. Only then will the Azkals be a true inspiration for their fans, who may then cheer for them without doubt or reservation. opinion.inquirer.net/25155/goal-difference
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Post by stellarboy on Mar 19, 2012 9:20:19 GMT 8
Cristy Ramos: Sexual harassment, not Clavio comments on Azkals, the root issueInterAKTV · Sunday, March 18, 2012 · 8:01 pm Former Philippine Olympic Committee president Cristy Ramos thinks it’s “unfortunate” that the issue of sexual harassment charges she raised against members of the national men’s football team has been overshadowed by the furor hounding GMA Network news anchor Arnold Clavio’s comments on the Azkals. “It’s unfortunate that the root issues are being masked,” said Ramos, who is currently in Uzbekistan working as a match commissioner for the AFC Futsal Club Championship qualifiers. Ramos filed a sexual harassment complaint against Azkals members Lexton Moy and Angel Guirado over an incident before the team’s friendly against Malaysia last month, a match for which she served as commissioner. “As I called the players individually so that we could check their accreditation cards and kits, Philippine player LEXTON MOY (no. 25) stood by my right side and said in a loud voice ‘Must be a B cup,’ to which the players laughed loudly,” said Ramos in her letter to the AFC. “As I was the only female in the room, he was apparently referring to my bra size.” “Additionally when I checked Philippine player ANGEL GUIRADO (no. 12) he stood in front of me purposely just wearing his briefs and made no attempts to wear shorts or cover his underwear. Again, the players loudly laughed while I was checking this player.” Moy released a statement saying that he wasn’t referring to Ramos in his comment about bra cup sizes, and that he had been joking around with teammates. He also apologized to Ramos and said he was “heartbroken” over what he called a misunderstanding. Guirado, for his part, said that he was not in his underwear when he appeared before Ramos. An investigation into the alleged incident is pending before the Disciplinary Committee of the Philippine Football Federation. But the issue took a different turn last week, after controversial comments made on the subject by Clavio on the morning show “Unang Hirit”. “Hindi ko kayo ka-kultura, kasi wala dito (points to his heart) at wala dito (points to his head),” Clavio said about Moy and Guirado. “Hindi naman kayo Pilipino, nagpapanggap lang kayong kayumanggi, hindi kayo dito lumaki, mahirap iyun.” In response, the PFF sent a strongly-worded missive to GMA Network asking for a public apology and sanctions versus Clavio. The federation described the host’s comments as “racist, discriminatory, libelous and malicious,” charges which the network denied in its response. Ramos scored the PFF for what she perceived to be a double-standard, saying that the federation should have taken similarly swift action about her complaint. “I also find it unfortunate the PFF did not issue a stronger and public statement on my case, aside from ‘We will investigate,’” she said. “Although my sexual harassment complaint is still to be thoroughly investigated, why didn’t the PFF also issue a public statement saying that they will have zero tolerance for disrespect and misbehavior, no matter what the circumstances?” www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/cristy-ramos-sexual-harassment-not-clavio-comments-on-azkals-the-root-issue
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Post by 07lost on Mar 19, 2012 11:16:32 GMT 8
Dahil siguro walang naniniwala sayo Madame Ramos.... Iba na kasi pagkitang-kita ng buong mundo kesa sabi-sabi lamang....
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Post by cb3 on Mar 19, 2012 11:56:42 GMT 8
“Although my sexual harassment complaint is still to be thoroughly investigated, why didn’t the PFF also issue a public statement saying that they will have zero tolerance for disrespect and misbehavior, no matter what the circumstances?” Uhm, didn't Dan Palami issue an official statement with him saying that sexual harassment should not be tolerated and if the players are proven guilty, proper sanctions will be given to them. I agree with Mr. Palami that sexual harassment is indeed intolerable, but to give judgement on a case that has not been proven and to showcase ignorance on the response of the team which has been well circulated in the newspapers and TV is also unacceptable. Sorry mods if I have to blurt this out, but she's such an attention grabbing dumb*ss.
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Post by stellarboy on Apr 3, 2012 5:14:09 GMT 8
Guirados speak on Cristy complaintBy Joaquin Henson The Philippine Star Updated April 03, 2012 12:00 AM MANILA, Philippines - Fil-Spanish brothers Angel and Juani Guirado yesterday broke their silence on the complaint filed by AFC match commissioner Cristy Ramos accusing the two Azkals of sexual harassment in the dressing room before a recent friendly match at the Rizal Memorial Football Stadium. Ramos filed a complaint to the AFC disciplinary committee chaired by Lim Kia Tong charging Angel Guirado and Lexton Moy of “sexist and demeaning behavior” in a dugout encounter before the Azkals’ match against Malaysia last Feb. 29. “I’m truly sorry for the misunderstanding and I apologize to Ms. Ramos for not being sensitive to her presence (in the dressing room),” said Guirado. “I wish to make clear that I intended no disrespect nor malice when Ms. Ramos called on me to check on my jersey number before our match against Malaysia. I wore my playing shorts but still had not put on my shirt. The accusation of sexual harassment is serious and grave and has caused much anguish and shock to my family as Spanish media has picked up the news. Throughout my life and career, I have kept our family name’s honor. I proudly represent both the Philippines and Spain as an athlete. I will never do anything to compromise this responsibility.” Guirado, 27, was born in Malaga, Spain, to a Spanish father and Filipina mother. He was recruited to join the Azkals last year. His older brother Juani, 32, was later recruited and played for the Azkals in the recent AFC Challenge Cup where the national squad took a historic third place. The Guirado brothers played a key role in propelling the Azkals’ rise as a Southeast Asian football contender. While issuing the statement, Guirado showed a copy of the story that appeared in the widely-circulated Spanish daily sports newspaper “Marca” with a two-layer headline “Denuncian por ‘acoso sexual’ en Filipinas al espanol Angel Guirado” (Complaint for sexual harassment in the Philippines for Spanish Angel Guirado). The story is stored in his i-phone. “In Spain, it is a serious charge when you are accused of sexual harassment,” said Guirado. “My parents are very disturbed and even went to the Spanish Football Association to explain the situation. I was accused of purposely just wearing briefs and made no attempt to wear shorts or cover my underwear when I faced Ms. Ramos in the dressing room and that was the basis of the accusation of sexual harassment.” Guirado’s older brother Juani, who left Manila yesterday for Spain to resume his work in the quality control section of Pepsi Cola and rejoin his football club in Burgos, said the situation was blown out of proportion and caused unnecessary shame not only to Angel but also to the entire national football team and the country. “The headline in ‘Marca’ was very alarming,” said Juani. “In my opinion, this could have been avoided if only Ms. Ramos waited until we got back from Nepal, called on Angel and Lex to explain themselves one-on-one and clear the misunderstanding. As it happened, the complaint was filed after we left for Nepal and neither Angel nor Lex had a chance to explain their side. Instead, the complaint was filed to the AFC and broadcast in media while we were in Nepal fighting for the Philippines. It really affected our morale especially since there was no malice, no sexual harassment, no intent to disrespect. The match commissioner is a person of authority and football players all over the world acknowledge this fact.” Meanwhile, Angel said he regrets receiving the two yellow cards that disqualified him from playing against Turkmenistan in the recent Challenge Cup semifinals. One came in the North Korea game and the other against Tajikistan. “I don’t know what could’ve happened if I played with James (Younghusband) and (Jason) Sabio,” he said. “Maybe, we would have a better chance of winning but I can’t say because our replacements were just as skillful. You’ll never know in football.” He said he couldn’t understand why he was flashed the yellow cards, particularly the second, but didn’t protest as the referee’s judgment is final. Younghusband also sat out the game due to two accumulated yellow cards and Sabio couldn’t play because of a knee injury. The Guirado brothers and another Fil-Spanish player Carli de Murga were on the Global F. C. team that scored a 5-1 win over Kaya F. C. in the UFL at the University of Makati pitch last Saturday. It was Juani’s farewell match before returning to Spain. Juani said he hopes to be back in October to rejoin the Azkals for the Suzuki Cup. De Murga, 23, scored twice in the victory over Kaya and caused an own goal by Kaya to power Global’s rout. De Murga recently had a tattoo marked on his right bicep showing a feathered pen and the words “Mahal Kita.” On the back of both his wrists are tattooed the name of his Filipina mother Jacqueline (Olaivar) and Junior, his nickname. On his ankles are tattooed the name of his brother Antonio and his own name Carlos Alberto. www.philstar.com/thedeanscorner/articlescontent.aspx?articleid=793863&publicationsubcategoryid=69
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