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Post by jonny on Apr 11, 2012 0:39:13 GMT 8
"An investigation into the alleged incident is pending before the Disciplinary Committee of the Philippine Football Federation."
It`s been 6 weeks now , where is the report , what is the decision ?
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Post by teddyandtimmysdad on Apr 11, 2012 11:41:46 GMT 8
good question, it has been a long time. this is surprising given things i've seen in the press that nonong araneta and dan palami want to see rapid closure. shall we make predictions? here is mine -
the pff disciplinary committee found no basis for the harassment claim, and rejected it. they found that moy and guirado acted with some lack of personal restraint in their actions/conversations while an official was present, and were given 1 game suspensions as a consequence. the decision has been sent to the AFC and FIFA prior to announcement, and it is now in their "in box" awaiting comment.
again, this is pure fantasy prediction on my part, but to me seems a likely outcome. what is hard to tell is what the reaction of ms. ramos would be to such an outcome.
anyone else care to predict an outcome?
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Post by Caz on Apr 11, 2012 12:29:31 GMT 8
Technically there really wasn't any sexual harassment. But not everyone knows the definition of the term. It could be that the decision was made but yet kept it on the down low so as not to attract any fury from a misinformed public which Cristy could (sickenly) use to her advantage. But that's just my theory.
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Post by stellarboy on Apr 18, 2012 22:49:25 GMT 8
Whatever happened to the complaint vs Azkals?By Manolo R. Iñigo Philippine Daily Inquirer I AM JUST wondering what happened to the sexual harassment complaint filed by former Philippine Olympic Committee president Cristy Ramos against Philippine Azkals players Lexton Moy and Angel Guirado. Beyond a shadow of doubt, the Azkals—composed mostly of overseas-based players with Filipino roots—gave the sport of football here new meaning, respect and appreciation. But this does not give them the right to abuse Filipino womanhood. Cristy, daughter of former President Fidel V. Ramos and topnotch football player during her prime, filed the sexual harassment complaint with the Asian Football Federation (AFC). She also assailed team captain James Younghusband for his failure to discipline his teammates. “He didn’t do anything. I hope he teaches his players to behave well.” Serving as AFC commissioner in the recent Philippines-Malaysia friendly match which ended in a 1-all draw at the historic Rizal Memorial Stadium, Ms. Ramos alleged (while inside the dugout before the game) that some players ridiculed her, “with one player disrespectfully asking for the size of her brassiere, which was followed by a roar of laughter.” Another player, Cristy claimed, appeared before her half-naked during a pregame inspection in violation of ethical norms. The former President said he and his wife, former First Lady Ming Ramos, agreed with the position their daughter had taken on the issue, noting that Cristy had held various positions in sports, both as a player and as a sports official. “She sure knows what she’s talking about,” stressed Mr. Ramos. “The players should behave,” added Ming. Nakakahiya ang (it’s demeaning for a) Filipino.” Sen. Pia Cayetano, chair of the Senate Committee on Youth, Women and Family Relations, said: “Sexual harassment must not be tolerated anytime, anywhere. Such acts should not go unpunished. “I call for an immediate investigation of this incident…not only because this is a serious allegation made by match commissioner Cristy Ramos, who is a sports official, but also because the Azkals are looked up to as modern-day heroes and role models.” Former Rep. Imee Marcos, who is also another Presidential daughter, wrote in her Bulgar newspaper column that the Azkals have yet to prove their worth in world-class football. She asked: Has overnight success gone into their heads? Even though the Azkals landed third in the recent Asian Football Confederation Cup in Nepal and subsequently improved in the Fifa (International Football Federation) rankings from 151 to 148, Ms. Marcos appeared to be not pleasantly happy and decried the media hype and aggressive propaganda machine of the Azkals. To be blunt about it, certain Azkals players should be thankful to the officials and members of the Philippine Football Federation, who made their stint here possible. What was their livelihood before coming over? Can they honestly sing the Philippine National Anthem? Were they gainfully employed back home? On the sexual harassment complaint, team manager Dan Palami had already apologized, but the governing body for world football would do well to crack the whip. sports.inquirer.net/40581/whatever-happened-to-the-complaint-vs-azkals
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Post by stellarboy on Apr 18, 2012 22:53:20 GMT 8
Fair Play: Waiting for PFF and a tailgate party(This is the draft of my Fair Play column for Sun.Star Cebu on April 19) SO, what's the latest on the complaint by Cristy Ramos against Lexton Moy and Angel Guirado? I'm not familiar how long things like these go, but the lack of news and the delay--perceived?--has led some critics to cry whitewash. But I see no reason for the PFF to tilt the probe in the players' favor. What good would that do? Besides, I don't think Dan Palami has any influnce over the disciplinary committee as it is a separate entity from the PFF and is led by Goyo Larrazabal. Didn't Dan get banned, too, for failing to answer the committee on time just a few months ago? Is the investigation really delayed or has the committe found no merit in the complaint, hence the lack of news? And if there's a decision, would the parties ---and their supporters--accept it? Ah, the thrill of the waiting game. cebufootball.blogspot.com/2012/04/fair-play-waiting-for-pff-and-tailgate.html
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Post by teddyandtimmysdad on Apr 18, 2012 23:55:17 GMT 8
yeah there really should be a decision by now. not sure why the delay.
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Post by dingodile5 on Apr 19, 2012 9:09:58 GMT 8
pinansin kaya ng AFC ang appeal ni Ms Ramos? we have no news till now. There's no article in AFC about this issue.
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Post by teddyandtimmysdad on Apr 24, 2012 12:14:19 GMT 8
...almost a week later and still no news? I wonder what is going on? There seems to be two alternatives in play here...
1) No comment / no action... ...and hope the issue dies a natural death. I don't think this is very fair to all parties concerned. Not fair to Angel and Lexton if findings go their way, not fair to Christie if indeed there is substance to her complaint.
2) Decision made but not publicized? Whatever decision has been made is kept out of the public light, again hoping everything will blow over.
My opinion: These issues should be taken care of promptly and decisively. I don't know what right we as the public have to know the result, but I think in the interest of Angel and Lexton, the decision should certainly be made public if they are to be exonerated - OR reproached.
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Post by dingodile5 on Apr 24, 2012 18:07:44 GMT 8
The verdict of Angel and Lexton, whether suspended or not, must be made public.
They can't do the situation where in ther's an Azkal game and then Angel and Lexton where not allowed even there's no penalties or injury among them. (Silent suspension. They didn't told public about their verdict) ;D
But since there's no update, I think there's no action about this issue. (Probability 70%)
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Post by stellarboy on May 3, 2012 21:53:17 GMT 8
Disclaimer: This article was written just after the Azkals lost to Turkmenistan at the AFC Challenge Cup. Apologies for any factual inaccuracies mentioned. Did the Azkals bite off more than they could chew?March 19, 2012 By FallenAngel It was more than two (2) weeks ago that a report came out that Cristy Ramos filed a sexual harassment case against two members of the Philippine Azkals team, Angel Guirado, and Lexton Moy. It just also happened that a lawyer relative of mine and I were listening to 92.3 when we first heard this. This is where we heard the “must be a B-cup”, the “brief encounter” thing and all. According to my relative, the treatment that Ms. Ramos received may be harassment of sexual nature, but it does not constitute sexual harassment. The definition of sexual harassment under Philippine law is defined here. “Work, education or training-related sexual harassment is committed by an employer, employee, manager, supervisor, agent of the employer, teacher, instructor, professor, coach, trainor, or any other person who, having authority, influence or moral ascendancy over another in a work or training or education environment, demands, requests or otherwise requires any sexual favor from the other, regardless of whether the demand, request or requirement for submission is accepted by the object of said Act. Unfortunately, since Cristy Ramos did not mention any sexual favor, she may not have a case for sexual harassment. I further asked my lawyer relative what could possibly happen. She may get the two players for gross misconduct and disrespecting a sports official, but sexual harassment may be difficult. Does this mean that the Azkals can go scot-free? Definitely not. What were those two players thinking doing what they did? They happened to cross, of all people, the daughter of a former President of the Philippines. While Ms. Ramos’ complaint is still under investigation, we must rely solely on her account of things against the account of the Azkals players present in that locker room. As I commented in one of my previous articles, in any organization, or institution, whatever its members do within its confines reflects upon it. However, once you are part of any institution or organization, you carry their name on you wherever you go, and you have to protect its dignity at all times. These are inescapable realities of life. The Azkals, as a national sports club, is no different, or shouldn’t be, for that matter. Given that rape victims, much less female recipients of harassment, are often discouraged from speaking out in Filipino culture, I find it highly unlikely that Ms. Ramos fabricated her story. There is simply no motive for her to do so. Why bother pinning a case on the Azkals if they’ve done nothing to cross you? For that, I say Ms. Ramos has balls to go up against them. Even former first lady Ming Ramos herself said that perhaps they should change their name to Askals, which is short for asong kalye, which in English, roughly translates to stray dog. They certainly acted like two dumb mutts, though. Arnold Clavio, in a tweet, said something along the line of “…the Azkals are not even kayumanggi”. I don’t presume to know what he was thinking when he said that. The Azkals may not be pure Filipino, but those two players embroiled in this incident just displayed a very Filipino trait: macho impunity. Events like this should be triggers for us Filipinos to think twice about the type of people we “idolize” and hold in high regard. Are you going to still honestly be able to say “proud to be Filipino” every time the Azkals score a goal? Can you stand the fact that everytime you hear the Azkals’ name mentioned, you will think “nambabastos ng babae” to go along with it? Do you want to hear Filipino athletes associated with “no respect for sports officials, especially women”? I don’t think so. In that same radio program on 92.3, the male host said something along this line: sports heroes can be forgiven for incidents like this, as long as they keep winning. I beg to differ, and I’m sure many of the readers will, too. Now that the Azkals have been eliminated by Turkmenistan 2-1 in their most recent game, they’ve got to face the music regarding the charges brought against them. getrealphilippines.com/blog/2012/03/did-the-azkals-bite-off-more-than-they-could-chew/
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Post by dingodile5 on May 21, 2012 0:01:53 GMT 8
Limpag's new article excerpt from his blog. "and, so too, is the PFF Disciplinary Committee on Cristy Ramos sexual harassment complaint against Angel Guirado and Lexton Moy.We all thought that the committee was dragging its feet in the investigation, well, it was surprising to hear that the guys there have been doing their job and should come out with a decision soon.
Maybe even before the June 1 friendly." cebufootball.blogspot.com/2012/05/this-is-draft-of-my-fair-play-column.html
I hoping Angel and Moy will not be suspended for Independence Day matches. We're really missing tooth in MAS game.
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Post by Caz on May 21, 2012 10:05:45 GMT 8
Whatever happened to the complaint vs Azkals?By Manolo R. Iñigo Philippine Daily Inquirer I AM JUST wondering what happened to the sexual harassment complaint filed by former Philippine Olympic Committee president Cristy Ramos against Philippine Azkals players Lexton Moy and Angel Guirado. Beyond a shadow of doubt, the Azkals—composed mostly of overseas-based players with Filipino roots—gave the sport of football here new meaning, respect and appreciation. But this does not give them the right to abuse Filipino womanhood. Cristy, daughter of former President Fidel V. Ramos and topnotch football player during her prime, filed the sexual harassment complaint with the Asian Football Federation (AFC). She also assailed team captain James Younghusband for his failure to discipline his teammates. “He didn’t do anything. I hope he teaches his players to behave well.” Serving as AFC commissioner in the recent Philippines-Malaysia friendly match which ended in a 1-all draw at the historic Rizal Memorial Stadium, Ms. Ramos alleged (while inside the dugout before the game) that some players ridiculed her, “with one player disrespectfully asking for the size of her brassiere, which was followed by a roar of laughter.” Another player, Cristy claimed, appeared before her half-naked during a pregame inspection in violation of ethical norms. The former President said he and his wife, former First Lady Ming Ramos, agreed with the position their daughter had taken on the issue, noting that Cristy had held various positions in sports, both as a player and as a sports official. “She sure knows what she’s talking about,” stressed Mr. Ramos. “The players should behave,” added Ming. Nakakahiya ang (it’s demeaning for a) Filipino.” Sen. Pia Cayetano, chair of the Senate Committee on Youth, Women and Family Relations, said: “Sexual harassment must not be tolerated anytime, anywhere. Such acts should not go unpunished. “I call for an immediate investigation of this incident…not only because this is a serious allegation made by match commissioner Cristy Ramos, who is a sports official, but also because the Azkals are looked up to as modern-day heroes and role models.” Former Rep. Imee Marcos, who is also another Presidential daughter, wrote in her Bulgar newspaper column that the Azkals have yet to prove their worth in world-class football. She asked: Has overnight success gone into their heads? Even though the Azkals landed third in the recent Asian Football Confederation Cup in Nepal and subsequently improved in the Fifa (International Football Federation) rankings from 151 to 148, Ms. Marcos appeared to be not pleasantly happy and decried the media hype and aggressive propaganda machine of the Azkals. To be blunt about it, certain Azkals players should be thankful to the officials and members of the Philippine Football Federation, who made their stint here possible. What was their livelihood before coming over? Can they honestly sing the Philippine National Anthem? Were they gainfully employed back home? On the sexual harassment complaint, team manager Dan Palami had already apologized, but the governing body for world football would do well to crack the whip. sports.inquirer.net/40581/whatever-happened-to-the-complaint-vs-azkals It's been a while since I last visited this thread as the propaganda machine really made my blood boil. And this article did the same once more. I predicted that once the issue would resurface there'd be a twist in words with carefully written non-lies. No previous article that I can recall on the issue claimed that either Lexton or Angel flat out asked Cristy for her bra size. And yet there are quotations in the statement above to mislead the reader that this was what Cristy reported when in fact it could have been anyone's quote. Furthermore, not one sentence here mentioned the alleged sexual harassers' official statements. Thanks for looking at both sides of the issue, buddy! And thanks for pointing out to the public what the DEFINITION of sexual harassment is. Because once that goes out, really, all this brouhaha would be pointless. It leads me to think that this article was written with one sole purpose, to bring the Azkals down. Sickening. I don't disagree that there was disrespect to an AFC official by members of the team and perhaps James' inability to discipline his teammates. But SEXUAL HARASSMENT?! I find absolutely no evidence of it from both sides of the story. I'm glad to hear (via Mike Limpag's blog) that the PFF have been working on this, albeit quietly. I think they're proceeding with this the right way although those seeking nothing but blood would probably vehemently disagree.
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Post by stellarboy on May 22, 2012 17:36:54 GMT 8
Complaints on sexual misconduct triggers debate in the PhilippinesSubcultures in sport regularly come into the spotlight for tolerating abusive attitudes or sexist behaviours. Now the Philippines’ turn has come.By Søren Bang 22 May 2012 A delicate case on sexual harassment in Philippine football involving the daughter of a former president has raised local questions about the culture surrounding the national team and what some see as the football federation’s inadequate response. A complaint filed by an Asian Football Confederation (AFC) Match Commissioner, Christina M. Ramos, against two members of the national football team for sexual harassment has provoked a debate on the culture surrounding the otherwise celebrated national team, also known as the Azkals, and its intense media coverage. Thus, the case itself also has a touch of celebrity as Ms. Ramos is not only former president of the Philippine Olympic Committee but also the daughter of the former Philippine president Fidel V. Ramos. According to the complaint that is being investigated by the national football federation’s disciplinary committee, one player allegedly asked about her breast size while the other posed in front of her wearing only his underwear as she was performing her duties as match commissioner checking accreditation cards and kits. Ramos filed her complaint asking the involved players to be punished for what she perceived as highly offensive behaviour. The episode took place before a friendly match against Malaysia in late February, but so far the complaint has not led to any decision leaving room for journalists, prominent politicians and advocates for women’s rights to comment on the case. “The arrogance of certain Azkals, who think they can abuse a Filipino woman just because of their newfound popularity, has been condemned by well-meaning quarters. There is no question that the Azkals, composed mostly of Filipino players with foreign blood, have resurrected football, a sport once virtually ignored hereabouts. But this does not give them a license to ruthlessly trample upon the rights and hospitality of their ‘adopted’ country,” wrote the sport columnist Manolo R. Iñigo from the Philippine newspaper, The Inquirer. Federation should take a firmer standThe reporter, Eric Dimzon, goes a step further linking the case to last summer’s more severe allegations against four members of the national team who were mentioned in connection to an alleged rape of a model. An incident, Dimzon himself wrote about. The alleged abuse was never reported to the police or investigated by the authorities, but he still thinks the team and its federation should take a much firmer stand. “After being hounded by rape and sexual harassment allegations in a span of less than a year, you would think that the Philippine National Football Team would get its act together and behave properly,” he says in a comment to Play the Game. “In the midst of the controversies hounding the Philippine Azkals, the Philippine Football Federation has not taken certain drastic measures to somehow put a stop to the highly controversial and offensive ways of the national football players. The PFF has not even issued a stern warning to the players who seem to exhibit a pattern of bad behaviour. As a result, the bad behaviour with its accompanying controversies continues to exist and follow the Philippine Azkals,” he argues. Deny any wrongdoingIn both cases, the team and involved players have denied any wrongdoing calling the latest episode a misunderstanding caused by innocent joking among the players themselves, and some of the players have complained that team members with foreign background were put into the spotlight. On the other hand, there has according to newspaper columnist Nini Cabaero, also been a reluctance to cover the Ramos incident in certain media. “One view pushed for media to continue to cover the issue until its conclusion. The other position was for media to go slow considering the Azkals are not exactly your ordinary players and they have a following among adoring fans,” Cabaero wrote in a comment piece concluding that the complaint couldn’t be downplayed or ignored. In any case, sexual abuse or harassment in subcultures of elite sports cultures seem to have climbed up the agenda in several countries. Lately a number of cases in ice hockey and American football have come to light sparking harsh criticism, and in Australia the National Rugby League even felt it necessary to introduce an educational programme teaching elite players to behave properly after several episodes of sexually offensive behaviour were reported. www.playthegame.org/news/detailed/complaints-on-sexual-misconduct-triggers-debate-in-the-philippines-5393.html
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Post by jonny on Jun 15, 2012 5:43:59 GMT 8
Limpag's new article excerpt from his blog. "and, so too, is the PFF Disciplinary Committee on Cristy Ramos sexual harassment complaint against Angel Guirado and Lexton Moy.We all thought that the committee was dragging its feet in the investigation, well, it was surprising to hear that the guys there have been doing their job and should come out with a decision soon.
Maybe even before the June 1 friendly." cebufootball.blogspot.com/2012/05/this-is-draft-of-my-fair-play-column.html
I hoping Angel and Moy will not be suspended for Independence Day matches. We're really missing tooth in MAS game. "a decision soon ?"
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Post by stellarboy on Jul 11, 2012 12:43:49 GMT 8
2 PH Azkals, hahatulan naPosted by Online Balita on Jul 9th, 2012 // No Comment Nakapagdesisyon na ang Philippine Football Federation hinggil sa isinampang reklamong sexual harassment kontra sa dalawang miyembro ng pambansang koponan na sina Lexton Moy at Angel Guirado ni dating Philippine Olympic Committee president Cristy Ramos. Gayunman, sinabi ni PFF secretary general Atty. Rolando Tuyay na kanila nang isinumite sa Disciplinary Committee ng Asian Football Confederation ang kanilang rekomendasyon para sa pinal na desisyon hinggil sa insidente na naganap bago ang friendly match ng Pilipinas at Malaysia noong Pebrero 29 sa Rizal Football Stadium. “It is already submitted to the AFC Disciplinary Committee for resolution,“ sinabi ni Tuyay. “We will be waiting for their decision and wait and do what we will be to the best of our players.“ Una nang nagreklamo si Ramos sa Chairman ng AFC Disciplinary Committee na si Mr. Lim Kia Tong hinggil umano sa pambabastos dito ng dalawang miyembro ng Azkals Philippine Men’s National Football team. Ang reklamo ni Ramos sa dalawa ay naganap habang ang una ay nagsasagawa ng team check bilang itinalagang match commissioner para naman sa itinakdang friendly match sa pagitan ng Pilipinas at Malaysia. Ipinaliwanag ni Ramos na bilang match commissioner ay responsibilidad nito na mag-inspeksiyon kasama ang iba pang opisyal sa mga koponan bago ang laro upang maberipika ang kanilang pagkikilanlan at maging ang accreditation cards at masiguro kung maayos ang kanilang mga kagamitan. Nauna naman nagbigay babala si Ramos bilang isang babae na mamamahala sa laban na, “I would give the teams sufficient warning and preparation time before I would come inside their changing rooms to do the team check together with the Fourth Official, Mr Wilfredo Bermejo,“ subalit nangyari pa rin ang pambabastos. Base sa sulat ni Ramos ay ikinuwento nito na, “As I called the players individually so that we could check their accreditation cards and kits, Philippine player LEXTON MOY (no. 25) stood by my right side and said in a loud voice `Must be a B cup,’ to which the players laughed loudly. As I was the only female in the room, he was apparently referring to my bra size. He could not have been talking about men’s athletic cups, as their sizes are specified as extra-small, small, medium, large, and extra-large vis-a-vis cup sizes of women’s brassieres, which are specified in letters. Additionally when I checked Philippine player ANGEL GUIRADO (no. 12) he stood in front of me purposely just wearing his briefs and made no attempts to wear shorts or cover his underwear. Again, the players loudly laughed while I was checking this player.“ Kung mapapatunayang nagkasala ay posibleng maharap sa pagka-ban o mahabang panahon na suspensiyon ang dalawang manlalaro base sa batas ng international governing body ng football na FIFA. – Angie Oredo www.balita.net.ph/2012/07/2-ph-azkals-hahatulan-na
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