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Post by rhamz84 on Nov 15, 2011 22:17:01 GMT 8
if the nation send a national it should send the most prepared line-up....im sorry, this is a shame even the whole delegation......every asean nation is looking for this team to excel how much more the country....hope that there are no more alibi....work what will be the answer for this demise... I think both Vietnam & Indonesia [not really sure] are really looking forward w/ this but the result speaks.
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Post by kulaspero15 on Nov 15, 2011 22:21:49 GMT 8
“Players, management and even the PFF (Philippine Football Federation) should learn from this, we should put resources into this and act on this.” - Dan Palami.
I'm taking this as a consolation but so frustrated with the result.
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Post by Wiking on Nov 15, 2011 22:24:46 GMT 8
Gentlemen our great "savior" has officially brought us back to where we started...
Somewhere coach Mcmenemy is either laughing at us or crying because we've ruined his legacy.
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Post by fadzki on Nov 15, 2011 22:30:44 GMT 8
OT: major upsets in Asian World Cup Qualifier:
North korea 1 - 0 Japan Lebanon 2 - 1 South Korea...
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Post by foo on Nov 15, 2011 22:36:41 GMT 8
At the very least, I'm hoping for a draw and a reasonable win considering that Brunei has been inactive due to FIFA suspension for a couple of years lately. (Sigh) Well, that's football I guess. In this game, I find Hartman having good vision and decent distribution though lacking speed. For me, Hinrichsen was the weakest at LB. Anyway on a positive note, I'll be still looking forward seeing them especially Ott and de Jong of course, Porteria (very promising), as well as Etheridge in 2013.
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Post by fadzki on Nov 15, 2011 22:44:28 GMT 8
“Players, management and even the PFF (Philippine Football Federation) should learn from this, we should put resources into this and act on this.” - Dan Palami. I'm taking this as a consolation but so frustrated with the result. If Dan Palami cannot see what most of us see, then he will be right behind our great soccer "savior" and will do nothing until everything the Azkals(including Dan Palami) built, lie in ruins. U23, ruined, next... I guess will see in December 2012 or maybe as early as the AFC challenge Cup Finals... I do hope they will get a defensive coach that will help Wiess...
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Post by feindouno on Nov 15, 2011 22:57:06 GMT 8
I think that most of us here, while having at least some semblance of football knowledge, are not exactly football experts. But which part of "Jason de Jong was not, is not, and will never be a centre-back" is hard to comprehend? :/
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Post by rhamz84 on Nov 15, 2011 23:18:27 GMT 8
If Dan Palami cannot see what most of us see, then he will be right behind our great soccer "savior" and will do nothing until everything the Azkals(including Dan Palami) built, lie in ruins. U23, ruined, next... I guess will see in December 2012 or maybe as early as the AFC challenge Cup Finals... I do hope they will get a defensive coach that will help Wiess... Our senior NT team is very promising [dream team line-up] but their defense should improve. Do you guys think our NT need another person to handle this seriously? The budget, we know coach Weiss was given us free. Perhaps we could shell out some budget for that said trainer/ coach to help us improve the defense of our NT during this time.
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Post by jpmanahan on Nov 16, 2011 0:13:45 GMT 8
terribly disappointed, definitely we are. but we do have something to work with. now let's put them to good use.
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Post by cjeagle on Nov 16, 2011 0:55:00 GMT 8
I guess everybody now realizes that our current coach needs to be replaced. The defensive deficiencies that was obvious from the first game of his tenure against Mongolia has not improved and continues to be a hindrance to our progress in the game. I wonder what those who tried to belittle McMenemy's achievements on this board are saying now who in his short tenure has done more for Philppine football than his replacement had done in nearly a year.
When somebody criticizes a coach for making the wrong tactical decisions in a respectful educated manner, they are not haters. They are just stating the obvious, that our coach whose only experience is managing national youth teams in Asia and Africa, does not have ability to make the proper tactical decisions that can make the difference in a game which is usually gained through long experience managing club teams season after season preferably in Europe. We have the players. We just don't have the proper man at the helm.
As for his replacement. Rwanda whose football program was also being helped by Germany was able to petition the German federation, for a replacement coach a few years ago after disappointing results by a former coach. Maybe we can do the same. If not, we need to look elsewhere, even if we have to shoulder the expenses ourselves, in order to help our national program improve. Otherwise, we run the risk of losing the momentum that the Azkals have engendered since the Suzuki Cup.
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Post by jpmanahan on Nov 16, 2011 1:16:08 GMT 8
As for his replacement. Rwanda whose football program was also being helped by Germany was able to petition the German federation, for a replacement coach a few years ago after disappointing results by a former coach. Maybe we can do the same. Otherwise, we need to look elsewhere, even if we have to shoulder the expenses ourselves, in order to help our national program improve. Otherwise, we run the risk of losing the momentum that the Azkals have engendered since the Suzuki Cup. I presume this can be done in private between the PFF, Dan and the DFB.
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Post by cjeagle on Nov 16, 2011 1:29:26 GMT 8
It would have to be. Rwanda was able to get a replacement only after the previous coach's contract expired. That would mean that in Coach'es Weiss case, we would have to wait until the end of next year, after the end of 2012 Suzuki Cup to avail of this option. In my opinion, we should continue our arrangement with the DFB especially in the area of grassroots development and the training of our coaches as this would provide us more long term benefits than any other assistance they can provide.
I also want to point out that even though Rwanda receives German assistance in the areas of grassroots development, coaches training, women's football development and providing coaches for their youth teams, at the senior level, they usually hire experienced international coaches to manage their men's team, as they have done recently by obtaining an experienced Serbian coach.
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Post by cowscrubber on Nov 16, 2011 2:51:56 GMT 8
Let me defend coach Weiss just for the sake of fairness.
Maybe I'm biased, and definitely not an expert, but...
If he keeps his experiments out of crucial matches, I think he's okay as a coach. He led the senior team to the challenge cup, after all.
Also, this under-23 team did not have the momentum that the senior Azkals have. Think about it - the senior team had the 2010 Suzuki cup, and training camps in Bahrain, Japan, and Germany, plus top pro players from around the world. On the other hand, the under-23 team was formed just weeks after the U23 Suzuki cup, they had only the Japan camp, and did not have a complete roster until they were in Indonesia.
I think this time, the under-23 team is really over-hyped and maybe we expected too much. I mean, it's good that we're expecting great things from our football teams now, but we can't expect our entire football system to improve in the span of a few months. I think he deserves one more chance, even if it is the last.
Ultimately, I think kulelat lang talaga tayo sa grassroots, but the senior team can still pound teams like Timor Leste except that now, they can do it by a greater margin.
...again, maybe I'm biased, but that's my opinion at the moment.
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Post by wenden96 on Nov 16, 2011 3:58:07 GMT 8
In my opinion, we should continue our arrangement with the DFB especially in the area of grassroots development and the training of our coaches as this would provide us more long term benefits than any other assistance they can provide. I also want to point out that even though Rwanda receives German assistance in the areas of grassroots development, coaches training, women's football development and providing coaches for their youth teams, at the senior level, I like this idea........
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Post by cjeagle on Nov 16, 2011 4:34:33 GMT 8
The last time we had a German coach in the SEA games, Coach Krautzun led a side consisting almost entirely of local players to the semifinals of the SEA games in 1991 upsetting some traditionally strong teams along the way. 20 years later, we have another German coach leading a side consisting mostly of better skilled European based players, place last in a group consisting mostly of minnows. What a contrast! Coach Krautzun is an example of what a good experienced coach can provide.
However as cowscrubber pointed out though, there was mitigating circumstances especially with the lack of preparation for the SEA games. Nevertheless, I did expect some progress as we played more games in the much weaker "Group of Hope", only to see us lose our final game to the weakest team on paper in the SEA games football tournament, Brunei, a team that lost 0-8 to Vietnam in its previous game.
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