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Post by cypher210 on Mar 2, 2013 10:22:11 GMT 8
Would it make more sense if Division 1 is very Metro Manila-centric and you dedicate Division 2 to a provincial home and away format? You can have Cebu, Ceres, Baguio United, etc. facing off regularly. for now it wouldnt make sense. D2 clubs dont have the money to travel around the country. thats the reason why QCU withdrew out of the competition.
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Post by stellarboy on Mar 2, 2013 11:51:46 GMT 8
The article actually says that the UFL management dropped the club from the league, not CQCU actually formally expressing to withdraw. Seems this CQCU case is just a failure for both parties IMHO.
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Post by narko on Mar 3, 2013 14:16:43 GMT 8
The growth of a professional football league in the country is in its early stages. Club football is not only a matter of sports, it is also a business. Revenue is important in the equation. Sponsorship, TV revenues, merchandise sales, ticket sales, player trades/sales, all factor into the equation. Hence the trouble of CQCU and UFL Division 2.
At the moment, there is not enough revenue streams to make professional club football sustainable. UFL matches are free of charge so that people are encouraged to watch the matches and hopefully gain an appreciation. Aside from finances and revenue, there is also a question of infrastructure. UFL is Metro Manila centric at the moment because available revenue is not enough to support a nationwide UFL.
The focus for now is to grow the fan base and support for club football. Philippine club football must be able to convince potential sponsors and the TV networks that there is market potential here. That investing in a league is a commercially sound endeavor. This will take some time.
A home and away format at this stage is not even viable for some of the Manila based clubs in the UFL's 2 divisions. It would be a good idea of course to stage some UFL matches in the provinces to generate, or even perhaps validate the existence of a strong base of support for the game in the provinces, a signal to the sponsors and networks that a market exists waiting to be tapped and exploited.
This is an objective that will not only require football people, this will require the expertise of business people, media practitioners, PR specialists, marketing experts, etc. to make it happen. One reason the UFL has done quite well so far is because it is run by the Football Alliance who are accomplished businessmen themselves. They understand what it takes to make the league sustainable and have to be wary of over-extending itself and risk a collapse. I am sure cjeagle can enlighten us with the lessons to be learned from the experiences of the defunct NASL and the women's pro soccer league in the US.
One way forward I envision is for the UFL to consolidate and generate adequate money from various revenue streams so that this money may be made available to clubs that make it to the 1st division. This revenue that will go to clubs as reward for making it to Division 1 will then be able to augment its operational expenses from its own revenue streams or sponsorship deals. This may make home and away format more possible. UFL Division 2 can then be organized in provincial or regional levels, including NCR. This way, there is incentive for clubs to gain promotion to Division 1 where there is financial incentive that will help make a home and away format viable.
I think this a framework that is worth exploring. The key here is to be able to convince potential sponsors and the TV networks that there is a viable market within the country's football fans and supporters.
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Post by speedy on Mar 4, 2013 15:12:33 GMT 8
Would it make more sense if Division 1 is very Metro Manila-centric and you dedicate Division 2 to a provincial home and away format? You can have Cebu, Ceres, Baguio United, etc. facing off regularly. for now it wouldnt make sense. D2 clubs dont have the money to travel around the country. thats the reason why QCU withdrew out of the competition. Maybe we can follow the league structure of the US sports leagues like the NBA or MLB. We can create a UFL Visayas or UFL Mindanao division. As soon as teams can earn that is really sustainable for them to travel home and away, then we can finally create a top tier or top flight. For example, teams like Ceres and QCU can join the UFL Visayas. I am sure there are other football clubs to willing to sign up. I assumed that because football is more regarded in this region then maybe we can charge tickets already (need to study if people would be willing to pay for their local team). Get local corporate sponsors like Aboitiz and we can call a team Aboitiz-Cebu. Also show it locally to the local channels. If more teams join the league, then we can create a Div 2 for that league. UFL can create a cup for division winners after league play.
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Post by cypher210 on Mar 4, 2013 22:50:48 GMT 8
for now it wouldnt make sense. D2 clubs dont have the money to travel around the country. thats the reason why QCU withdrew out of the competition. Maybe we can follow the league structure of the US sports leagues like the NBA or MLB. We can create a UFL Visayas or UFL Mindanao division. As soon as teams can earn that is really sustainable for them to travel home and away, then we can finally create a top tier or top flight. For example, teams like Ceres and QCU can join the UFL Visayas. I am sure there are other football clubs to willing to sign up. I assumed that because football is more regarded in this region then maybe we can charge tickets already (need to study if people would be willing to pay for their local team). Get local corporate sponsors like Aboitiz and we can call a team Aboitiz-Cebu. Also show it locally to the local channels. If more teams join the league, then we can create a Div 2 for that league. UFL can create a cup for division winners after league play. i think the formation of regional leagues would be the best for now until they pick up a sponsor to be able to join the elite in the UFL. the UFL right now only has NCR teams with the exception of Stallions. UFL expansion of that magnitude in a short period of time would only drain their funds and that would probably lead to bankruptcy. so the UFL shouldnt expand that fast since they dont even get profits off their free admission to their games. I believe the regional areas should start their own local leagues. I think their local champions would probably included in the PFF club championships unless they get invited to the UFL cup or super cup.
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Post by teddyandtimmysdad on Mar 5, 2013 23:42:04 GMT 8
The regional model is used in many areas of sports, for example in the USA (which everyone knows is a big place). In baseball you have the AL east and AL west, NL east and NL west divisions. Look at college hoops in the USA and you see a very strongly regional structure. I think this is generally a very good idea, with lots of successful models out there to use as a base to consider. Question is - will folks put ego and power plays aside to work together?
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Post by speedy on Mar 6, 2013 9:03:33 GMT 8
Maybe we can follow the league structure of the US sports leagues like the NBA or MLB. We can create a UFL Visayas or UFL Mindanao division. As soon as teams can earn that is really sustainable for them to travel home and away, then we can finally create a top tier or top flight. For example, teams like Ceres and QCU can join the UFL Visayas. I am sure there are other football clubs to willing to sign up. I assumed that because football is more regarded in this region then maybe we can charge tickets already (need to study if people would be willing to pay for their local team). Get local corporate sponsors like Aboitiz and we can call a team Aboitiz-Cebu. Also show it locally to the local channels. If more teams join the league, then we can create a Div 2 for that league. UFL can create a cup for division winners after league play. i think the formation of regional leagues would be the best for now until they pick up a sponsor to be able to join the elite in the UFL. the UFL right now only has NCR teams with the exception of Stallions. UFL expansion of that magnitude in a short period of time would only drain their funds and that would probably lead to bankruptcy. so the UFL shouldnt expand that fast since they dont even get profits off their free admission to their games. I believe the regional areas should start their own local leagues. I think their local champions would probably included in the PFF club championships unless they get invited to the UFL cup or super cup. Maybe UFL can just lend the name for the league. The trade off is that UFL officials can organize the league, keep it running, just basic administration. The teams should be the one paying for other costs like refereeing. The attachment to UFL can generate sponsors for the local team.
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Post by marselluswallace on Mar 8, 2013 15:58:14 GMT 8
Santi Araneta @santiaraneta @kayafc is pleased to announce the signing of AFC Licensed Coach fresh from Fraser Park FC in Sydney, Australia. Welcome @davidperkovic!!!
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Post by leoisiah on Mar 8, 2013 16:34:27 GMT 8
Fraser Park FC sounds familiar. Either a former Azkal or a prospect is playing there. Leigh Gunn? Maybe that player should join his coach to the Philippines.
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Post by Wiking on Mar 8, 2013 17:00:48 GMT 8
Fraser Park FC sounds familiar. Either a former Azkal or a prospect is playing there. Leigh Gunn? Maybe that player should join his coach to the Philippines. It is Leigh Gunn He's playing RB for the team now. From my last correspondence with him, he was suppose to try to play in the UFL this March. I'm sure he was part of the reason that coach decided on the UFL, maybe...
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Post by kuo24 on Mar 12, 2013 19:14:53 GMT 8
Army's Betita kicked the ball at the linesman. The referee just gave him a yellow card. Then Betita tried to kick the linesman himself. He picks up a second yellow card. Very disgraceful. That kind of player should be banned in the league. That behavior is unacceptable. This is televised all over the country and we're setting a bad precedent for future soccer players.
Whatever gains the UFL has made, it is being negated by boorish (hooligan) behavior and amateurish officiating. Sayang.
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Post by strikerbon on Mar 13, 2013 9:00:27 GMT 8
Betita deserves to be banned from playing in the UFL. this is not a new incident, he was involved in many fights before, what a poor behavior. the League should not tolerate this kind of incident.
Mark Hartmann was again instrumental in their 5-nil trashing against Nomads. he scored a delightful free-kick and another left footed shot in a tight angle. i hope Weiss saw his recent form
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Post by Wiking on Mar 13, 2013 11:19:21 GMT 8
watched this game, Betita showed the worst conduct for a league player. He deserves to be banned for the whole season! Assaulting a ref not once but twice and again trying to attack after, can't and must never be tolerated regardless if the ref made the wrong call. It's a disgrace! UFL management must police it's own league. This game ending was indeed shocking to watch.
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Post by santongbusabos on Mar 13, 2013 11:35:18 GMT 8
he deserves more than a lifetime ban. maybe a disciplinary action not just from his team but from the Army itself.
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Post by strikerbon on Mar 13, 2013 11:50:11 GMT 8
it was almost the same case as Cagayanan did against Dakic in Kaya vs GAU's game wherein he attacked and kick Dakic and ran quickly after Dakic tried to get a revenge. i never heard anything if there was a fine,suspension or what that the league imposed against Cagayanan. the difference is that Betita's offense was against the game official which was quite alarming. the league should sanction players who act like this
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