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Post by benzgm on Jul 27, 2013 12:55:44 GMT 8
Below is a hypothetical development or plan for a Philippine league system. PHASE 1.a: First tier competition. A national league (“Bayan Liga”) based on a conference model, initially with 12 clubs. > Four Regional Conferences: (i) NCR - 3 clubs (ii)All Luzon - 3 clubs (iii) All Visaya - 3 clubs (iv) All Mindanao - 3 clubs >Pre-requisite for a Club licence (i) Club must be linked to a regional area. (ii) Administrative plan and funding model for financial viability of the club. (iii) Football development program/plan. > Scheduling (i) 40% to be intra-conference games (ii) 60% to be inter-conference games (iii) The aim is to have clubs financially viable and have equal percentage of games between four conferences. > Development of professional referees. > Establishment of a national football curriculum (have a read - www.footballaustralia.com.au/site/_content/document/00000099-source.pdf)PHASE 1.b: Second tier completion. Regional leagues are established, to ‘groom’ clubs for future expansion to first tier. > NCR (i) UFL to continue (ii) A ‘torneo’/cup competition. > Luzon (i) A ‘torneo’/cup competition. (ii) Further breakdown to smaller regions: (a)North Luzon (b)Central (c)South (d)South-east > Visaya (i) A ‘torneo’/cup competition. (ii)Further breakdown to smaller regions: (a)Eastern Visaya (b)Central Visaya (c)Western Visaya >Mindanao (i) A ‘torneo’/cup competition. (ii) Further breakdown to smaller regions: (a)North Mindanao (b)Central Mindanao (c)South Mindanao (d)West Mindanao PHASE 1.c: Establishment of a national knockout cup competition (PFA Cup) or “Kopa ng Pilipinas” ? > KEY MILESTONE: To be held for the first time when regional/sub-regional leagues are established. PHASE 2: Creation of Philippine football pyramid. > A relegation/promotion league system need to be established when the following key milestone have been reached - KEY MILESTONE 1: Under PHASE 1.a, league expansion should be capped at 20 clubs. KEY MILESTONE 2: Equal percentage of games between four conferences. KEY MILESTONE 3: Potential 21st, 22nd, 23rd and 24th clubs have met all the requirements. > Top twelve clubs to form a first tier competition (“Primeyero”) > Bottom eight and the 21st, 22nd, 23rd and 24th expansion clubs to form a second tier competition to replace the old conferences system. > The bottom tier of the Philippine pyramid is the regional/sub-regional leagues. This is a continuing cycle, with the next aim is to create another tier between the bottom tier and the one above it. I like this idea, very comprehensive. And the development is gradual. Commercial viability is the first issue that should be settled though. I hope someone out there could improve on this proposal and include the commercial aspect of things. Afterall, the ghost of the MBA will always be there to haunt us.
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Post by rookoz on Jul 29, 2013 16:41:35 GMT 8
What would you say the current income streams for UFL clubs...
Correct me if I am wrong, all I could think of are: (i) Media/TV Rights (ii) Sponsors, naming rights (iii) Owners personal contribution (?) (iv) Merchandise
This does not include individual players who have personal sponsors, just clubs.
Other potential income streams: (i) Club memberships. (ii) Transfer fees (Player Development like Academies meant a possibility of a feeder club). (iii) Gate receipts/takings
Can anyone think of anything else?
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Post by johnmarki on Jul 29, 2013 19:16:35 GMT 8
What would you say the current income streams for UFL clubs... Correct me if I am wrong, all I could think of are: (i) Media/TV Rights (ii) Sponsors, naming rights (iii) Owners personal contribution (?) (iv) Merchandise This does not include individual players who have personal sponsors, just clubs. Other potential income streams: (i) Club memberships. (ii) Transfer fees (Player Development like Academies meant a possibility of a feeder club). (iii) Gate receipts/takings Can anyone think of anything else? Change all the current marketing staff of the UFL. They've done an erroneous job of marketing the UFL.The UFL should hire experienced ones that have done TV marketing. Then sponsors would come in.
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Post by dingodile5 on Jul 29, 2013 21:28:14 GMT 8
National League for Philippine FootballBy Bernardo M. Villegas Published: July 29, 2013 As an incorrigible dreamer, I have a vision for the year 2020. The Philippines in 2020 will have the equivalent of the La Liga Spanish football league I have come to follow closely since I spent a sabbatical year in Barcelona at the IESE Business School. In the National Capital Region, there will be three football clubs in the senior division representing Makati, Quezon City and Parañaque, somewhat analogous to the three senior division clubs of Madrid: Real Madrid, Atletico de Madrid and Getafe. These three (and possibly more) will come from the leading football clubs that are playing for the United Football League. There will be one football club each from Laguna, Tarlac, Bicol, Bacolod, Leyte, Dumaguete City, Mindoro, South Cotabato and Davao. There will be two each from Iloilo and Cebu (analogous to FC Barcelona and Espanyol in Barcelona). In addition to these 16 football clubs in the senior division of the national league for Philippine football (an appropriate title like La Liga or Germany’s Bundesliga will soon be coined), there can be twenty or more other clubs in the junior division of the league coming from the same cities or other places where football will be gradually promoted in the next five to ten years with the help of the Federation Internationale de Football Association (FIFA) and the Asian Football Federation (AFC) under the leadership of the Philippine Football Federation (PFF). Does my dream have a basis in reality? I think it does. As reported by Rick Olivares in the Daily Mirror, a national football league will be created in the next three years with the help of FIFA and AFC, the governing bodies of world and regional football, respectively. Thanks to the research of Mr. Olivares, I was able to identify the Philippine cities or regions with a headstart in the development of the beautiful game. He listed the cities other than Metro Manila that already have football stadia that can accommodate at least 5,000 spectators. These are the cities that I included in my dream. I placed Cebu and Iloilo following closely the National Capital Region because I know for a fact that in these two cities, there is a passion for football that is unmatched in other Philippine regions. I am especially impressed with Barotac Nuevo, the producer of world class Filipino football players, including one of the best players FC Barcelona ever produced, Paulino Alcantara, whose mother was from Iloilo. In a recent meeting with Mr. Mariano (Nonong) Araneta, President of the PFF, I got confirmation of this newspaper report. He opines that a national league of football will be more successful today than the failed Metropolitan Basketball Association that competed with the Philippine Basketball Association in the late 1990s because transport costs have dropped precipitously, thanks to the budget fares offered by different airlines. With the schedules of games programmed way in advance, plane tickets can be purchased literally for a song. In addition, the Philippine Nautical Highway has made even land transport very affordable through the roll-on-roll-off boats, which can carry large buses of players. This is one infrastructure that we owe to the Administration of former President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo. At the moment, there are already ten to twelve clubs, such as those in the senior division of the United Football League (UFL) whose games are watched by thousands of football-loving families at the new Emperador Stadium in McKinley Hill, built by the real estate developer Megaworld. In fact, I learned from Kevin Tan, son of magnate Andrew Tan of Megaworld, that they are thinking of replicating the Emperador Stadium in other developments that they have in Iloilo, Davao, Cebu, etc. Such stadia can be in the future designed so that they can comply with the minimum capacity being set by the FIFA and AFC. I wouldn’t be surprised if other rival real estate developers start emulating Megaworld in also putting up football stadia in other cities of the Philippines. Of course, everyone is eagerly awaiting the completion of the mega stadium of the Iglesia ni Kristo in Bulacan. I understand that it can hold more than 50,000 spectators. Another basis for my dream is the increasing interest of middle-class families in getting their sons to play football. I see boys as young as 2 or 3 already joining family-organized football clubs in Tahanan Village, BF Homes, Philam Homes, Valle Verde, Bulacan subdivisions, Westgrove, Magallanes Village, etc. This sudden interest in football can be partly attributed to the successes of the national team AZCALS in a good number of their games within the Southeast Asian region. They have beaten teams from countries where football is a national passion, such as Indonesia, Singapore, Myanmar, Vietnam, and Mongolia. Our under-23 squad has also achieved significant victories, demonstrating that a team made up predominantly of Filipinos can also excel. I expect that there will be better football players that will come out of the present crop of children and teenagers getting hooked to the game, not only among the middle class families, but also from the street children of Payatas and other economically depressed districts, thanks to the laudable initiatives of NGOs like the Moran Foundation and the Gawad Kalinga, the efforts of embassies like those of Argentina, Brazil and Chile (ABC) and financial assistance of business enterprises like Alaska, Nike, Caltex and First Pacific. The growth of the football industry will definitely be inclusive because the poor are being involved from the very beginning. I am sure that the “realists” among my readers are thinking I am, as usual, making a prophecy of boom. I admit that what I described above is overly optimistic. We will have 1,000 miles to travel on the road to a successful national league for football. To quote the cliche, however, a journey of a thousand miles must begin with the first step. The most important step this year 2013 is for the country to send three teams--the under-23, the women’s and the futsal squads--to the Southeast Asian Games in Myanmar in December. I plead to the leaders of the Philippine Olympic Committee to remove their objections to the desire of the PFF to send these three teams to capitalize on the momentum we have seen in the last two years in the increased interest in football among the Filipinos, both rich and poor. What I have experienced and read as regards European football convinces me that it is not in the winning but in the participating that gives the greatest happiness to the football fans. As Ding Marcelo, sports writer for the Manila Bulletin remarked: “The football team may lose but the inspiration from its performance may resonate with our youngsters who see the sport as something where a career can be built. The country is already behind in football development, why miss this chance to bolster its growth?” I can only say AMEN. For comment, my email address is bernardo.villegas@uap.asia.. mb.com.ph/Business/Business_Main/24392/National_League_for_Philippine_Football#.UfZtS6wdfpo
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Post by Ka Roger on Jul 30, 2013 1:51:23 GMT 8
I love the ideas of those who posted here, parang nagkakaroon tayo ng hope kahit papaano. Hmm observations ko lang at mga opinyon ko lalo sa mga aspeto ng liga. Imma concentrate sa UFL. Ang paborito nating liga The demographics of the league. In reality, UFL is one big circle jerk being frequented by the rich, by people who are connected to each other. All familiar faces, no new faces. There's the air of exclusiveness ang liga, that you can feel that kung taga-labas (you don't belong to them/not interact with them) ka e you will always be estranged sa surroundings mo when you're watching the game live. Friend ni Player X si Official Y, na bez naman ni Spectator Z. Connections like that won't do good especially if you want to make a quantum leap from a little league to a full fledged football league. If you're an outsider sa Manila Football scene? Kawawa ka. minsan magsasawa rin mga tao sa kapapanood ng league. If you want a league to prosper, promote diversity. Wala naman sigurong problema pag National League na no? . A league should encourage supporters.UFL has no plans in really reaching out to their fanbase. Hell they don't even have a YouTube channel a talkshow man lang, relying on Team FTW for UFL talk. They don't even like supporter groups. They will only like you if you will kneel to them or be friends with them. You know there's a conflict of ideas sa league. We did a pyro-show last 2012 Season, and the UFL's FB page says "UFL is alive!", then showing our pyroshow sa Rizal. Kita mo iyong mga comments sa FB showing approval and awe sa ginawa namin. Di man lang nila ma realize ung potential ng supporters and how will it be a good boost sa league. It inspired people. Pero iba iyong kwento noong sa Rizal e, a league official wanted to evict us, kasi panira daw kami sa liga, well natawa nalang kami sa opisyal na to, kasi laging mainit mata nito samin eh since noong simula pa. Funny thing is, darling naman sya ng mga ibang supporters group who are friends with him (Bakit naman kami kelangan makipag-friends sa kanya?). Ang konsepto kasi ng liga sa UFL, parang family league, Amerikanski style. I remembered MLS being marketed to soccer moms. They realized that you can't stop supporters, at ano ginawa nila? they encouraged it, they gave way. The only aspect of the league that I can consider alive aside from the football aspect itself eh iyong sa Internet. Daming internet supporters, ang tatapang sa net, ang vovocal and yet you can't see them at the stands. Okay sana kung natatap ng UFL mga tao na to, eh sana buhay ang liga. If you want a loyal following of clubs to watch their club's matches LIVE, encourage, not discourage. Pero I have the confidence on upon having a National League, the clubs can tap the local support lalo na if they're playing for a place etc.
tl;dr for me siguro we must concentrate too on the marketing side of things, we can have decent league but without a decent fanbase the league will be bollocks. Look at S-League, they have the infrastructure, they have clubs that have good player rosters, good sponsorships, pero look at the attendances!
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Post by cypher210 on Jul 30, 2013 3:44:02 GMT 8
I love the ideas of those who posted here, parang nagkakaroon tayo ng hope kahit papaano. Hmm observations ko lang at mga opinyon ko lalo sa mga aspeto ng liga. Imma concentrate sa UFL. Ang paborito nating liga The demographics of the league. In reality, UFL is one big circle jerk being frequented by the rich, by people who are connected to each other. All familiar faces, no new faces. There's the air of exclusiveness ang liga, that you can feel that kung taga-labas (you don't belong to them/not interact with them) ka e you will always be estranged sa surroundings mo when you're watching the game live. Friend ni Player X si Official Y, na bez naman ni Spectator Z. Connections like that won't do good especially if you want to make a quantum leap from a little league to a full fledged football league. If you're an outsider sa Manila Football scene? Kawawa ka. minsan magsasawa rin mga tao sa kapapanood ng league. If you want a league to prosper, promote diversity. Wala naman sigurong problema pag National League na no? . A league should encourage supporters.UFL has no plans in really reaching out to their fanbase. Hell they don't even have a YouTube channel a talkshow man lang, relying on Team FTW for UFL talk. They don't even like supporter groups. They will only like you if you will kneel to them or be friends with them. You know there's a conflict of ideas sa league. We did a pyro-show last 2012 Season, and the UFL's FB page says "UFL is alive!", then showing our pyroshow sa Rizal. Kita mo iyong mga comments sa FB showing approval and awe sa ginawa namin. Di man lang nila ma realize ung potential ng supporters and how will it be a good boost sa league. It inspired people. Pero iba iyong kwento noong sa Rizal e, a league official wanted to evict us, kasi panira daw kami sa liga, well natawa nalang kami sa opisyal na to, kasi laging mainit mata nito samin eh since noong simula pa. Funny thing is, darling naman sya ng mga ibang supporters group who are friends with him (Bakit naman kami kelangan makipag-friends sa kanya?). Ang konsepto kasi ng liga sa UFL, parang family league, Amerikanski style. I remembered MLS being marketed to soccer moms. They realized that you can't stop supporters, at ano ginawa nila? they encouraged it, they gave way. The only aspect of the league that I can consider alive aside from the football aspect itself eh iyong sa Internet. Daming internet supporters, ang tatapang sa net, ang vovocal and yet you can't see them at the stands. Okay sana kung natatap ng UFL mga tao na to, eh sana buhay ang liga. If you want a loyal following of clubs to watch their club's matches LIVE, encourage, not discourage. Pero I have the confidence on upon having a National League, the clubs can tap the local support lalo na if they're playing for a place etc.
tl;dr for me siguro we must concentrate too on the marketing side of things, we can have decent league but without a decent fanbase the league will be bollocks. Look at S-League, they have the infrastructure, they have clubs that have good player rosters, good sponsorships, pero look at the attendances!
lets be realistic here. logistics need to make sense first before the league could reach out to their fans outside of manila etc. and i dont think theres anything wrong with seeing similar faces every game. it doesnt matter if theyre friends with a player or not. if you feel excluded, bring more people with you. its just the similar feeling of going to an away game to support your club. the UFL official that called you guys out probably think you guys were too rowdy. honestly, that could shoo away other supporters like families with children if they dont feel safe around really rowdy ultras. that could just push away the potential future fan base. i understand that the marketing side of the league could be better. but the league should be thinking about survival at first before exploring to reach out to a newer fan base. i dont think the league has a sustainable revenue to venture out of manila right now thus the withdrawal of CQCU happened. like i said earlier, logistics need to make sense in order to sustain a stable league. and its easier said than done. oh and FYI many of people supporting the UFL online are actually from overseas...
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Post by rookoz on Jul 30, 2013 9:20:28 GMT 8
^^^ Personally, the attraction of club football is its supporters, a sense of belonging - football tribalism - same people, same faces,bunch of friends following one (local) team. Then comes active support and hooray! An atmosphere unique in football, it'll market itself. It's a type of support that can be passed multi-generational - father to son etc.
As a newbie to the UFL (Manila centric clubs), nothing really stood out as a club I want to support or identified with. No clubs from where I was from (Montalban/Rizal), I am not an alumni, or employed by the club's namesake (albeit, there's a couple of clubs I am leaning to but not quite sold). To me it's a dead end in regards to future growth regarding audience.
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Post by delver on Jul 30, 2013 10:14:13 GMT 8
The success of this league depends on the media coverage. The Premier League isn't the world's most watched league for no reason. Trust me, they really know what they are doing when it comes to proper game coverage, analysis, etc..I think this is because of the huge market they have for betting..
Next, they should also improve the standards of the kit designs of teams. Please, no more dark text over darker shirt designs. They should emulate designs, not copy them. Always remember that "less is more" is key to effective designs. Sponsors should be sponsors. Teams should not use the name of the sponsor together with their own. Just imagine... Qatar Airways FC Barcelona, sagwa diba?..sponsors change over time but the name of the team should be consistent.
IMHO. if these standards are met, major sponsors will eventually come.
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Post by rookoz on Jul 30, 2013 11:11:38 GMT 8
The success of this league depends on the media coverage. The Premier League isn't the world's most watched league for no reason. Trust me, they really know what they are doing when it comes to proper game coverage, analysis, etc..I think this is because of the huge market they have for betting.. Next, they should also improve the standards of the kit designs of teams. Please, no more dark text over darker shirt designs. They should emulate designs, not copy them. Always remember that "less is more" is key to effective designs. Sponsors should be sponsors. Teams should not use the name of the sponsor together with their own. Just imagine... Qatar Airways FC Barcelona, sagwa diba?..sponsors change over time but the name of the team should be consistent. IMHO. if these standards are met, major sponsors will eventually come. Agree Delver re: EPL media coverage and technical analysis, but it is a bit unrealistic to expect it at this moment. One career choice for a retired footballer is to work in the media, hopefully some on the current Azkal crop when they finish their football career will have a media career - talking football Also partly agree with sponsors, unless they are a "works/factory team" in the vein of PSV Eindhoven (Phillips) or Bayer Leverkusen (Bayer).
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Post by rookoz on Jul 30, 2013 11:48:25 GMT 8
What do people think regarding a 'salary capped' league?
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Post by leoisiah on Jul 30, 2013 12:50:05 GMT 8
^ Our Philippine Basketball Association actually works that way. No salary cap to level the teams in terms of talent.
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Post by zannbu on Aug 28, 2013 4:42:41 GMT 8
When do we expect the next update for this? anyone knows? thanks in advance.
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Post by stellarboy on Dec 2, 2013 17:54:48 GMT 8
PFF announces national Football league to launch in 2015 or 2016By Bob Guerrero | The Passionate Fan – 11 minutes ago “This has been a dream for all of us” intoned Philippine Football Federation president Marian "Nonong" Araneta. “There's nothing that can hinder us from making this a reality.” Araneta was referring to the upcoming national Football league that is slated to bow in two to three years. On Monday the federation hosted a press con in Makati Shangri-la to fill the press in on the details. The as-yet-to-be-named league will have the support of the Asian Football Confederation and FIFA. Currently the United Football League is the de facto top tier of men's senior Football in the nation. But that league is under the auspices of the National Capital Region Football Association and thus cannot be considered a national league. “When we started UFL three years ago we always wanted to have a national league. To reach the national scope we needed to work with the PFF, and we are supportive of this league” said UFL official Randy Roxas, who was also at the press con as member of the PFF National League Task Force. He is a designated resource person for clubs. Roxas is also an official with Loyola Meralco Sparks FC. The task force is chaired by renowned Filipino economist Bernie Villegas. Other members present on Monday included Roxas, Filipino FIFA official Domeka Garamendi, the AFC's deputy General Secretary and Competition director Windsor John from Malaysia, Yogesh Desai, AFC Kick-off Program director, Joseph Ladrido, ABS-CBN's Dino Laurena, the PFF's Cyril Dofitas, and Gelix Mercader. “The Philippines is now a breakout nation when it comes to our economy, and that is exactly how I see Philippine Football as well” enthused Villegas. “Football has now reached a critical mass where we can have a national league within the next two or three years.” According to Villegas the league will have at least ten clubs spread all over the country. Araneta envisions four clubs in Luzon, four in the Visayas, and two in Mindanao, although nothing has been finalized as of yet. The clubs will be based in key cities. “Definitely Iloilo will be represented” added Araneta, who is from Barotac Nuevo in that province. Read more: ph.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/thepassionatefan/pff-announces-national-football-league-launch-2015-2016-094223380.html
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Post by blood on Dec 2, 2013 19:47:42 GMT 8
I cant wait for this to happen. Cebu represent!! I really wish the name of the league would be "Primera Liga Pilipinas".
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Post by iserve on Dec 2, 2013 20:11:43 GMT 8
This is really awesome. I hope they will put this up soon (er) but then again, they shouldn't rush because I think they can come up with better ideas for the leauge if they work in their own phase. I'm fine with ten teams but I hope it's gonna be multi-level (u-23, u-14 etc.) I hope to hear more of this soon~
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