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Post by pinoyfutbolinsider on Jul 11, 2013 22:20:28 GMT 8
hmm... how about top tier leagues . two leagues division1 and second division. top tier leagues will be molded like PBA (just like currently ) , then second division is like PBL/or D-League . but promotion relegation between this two leagues. extend also div 1 teams to 16 , same goes to the second division . then second division relegation to third division and then to the regional or provincial league . simple explanation might be like this .
(division 1) teams-PBA Style of commercial league . three relegation (1 play off)(occasional province games) (division 2) -PBL Style of commercial league(or dleague).three promotion(1playoff),three relegation(1playoff) (division 3) - three(how regional leagues) promotion spots (1 playoff) (four relegation , 1 play off) Regional Leagues - top teams will promoted to third division , runners up of each regional league will compete for a the remaining spot/s. Provincial leagues/local leagues - top teams can play in regional leagues .
clubs per division . division 1- 16 (might be a good start )(but quality might be lacking here) - division 2- 16 (could include reserve teams of div 1(non promotion) or youth teams) - division 3- 25 (more teams , could be more rougher league , reserve teams and youth teams from div1 and div2) regional (depends) - more focused on regional teams , province teams and local football clubs .
third division is the key here . the bridge between local club teams(which would include local grassroots players) going to the main division , either division 2 or division 3. it might be very difficult for local team to go directly to the top tier of football pyramid , but this also encourages local companies to sponsor local teams or local tournaments (if the audience is good) .
but the most crucial is the division 1 , it should be as popular as PBA or NBA . that would make local kids to play football . and for now . i think there should be quality players / foreign and local that's playing in div1 , then division 2 is like a development league (but not so development league) , third division is like the gate of local teams to the top division . division 3 is more like semi-pro league or a amateur league .(just like the UFL today (?) or before) third division could divided in groups (geographically or regionally) then have play off type or group type of qualification for the 2nd division promotion)
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Post by rookoz on Jul 12, 2013 16:21:01 GMT 8
Hope they choose tagalog for the naming convention of the league. For example, something like calling the national league "BANSA" or "BAYAN" "LIGA", or "PRIMIYERO" for the top division, or "PUTBOL KLUB" instead of FC. A differentiation in brand marketing.
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Post by strikerbon on Jul 12, 2013 21:58:54 GMT 8
lack of infrastructure is not a problem, in the NCR for example, Manila and other neighboring regions can share with one stadium. i think it's not the right time to talk about the second division home-away format because it will surely be very difficult. but one thing is for sure, once the regional club is established, then the regionalistic people will follow. they will watch the game even if they're not a football fan, but because the city and the pride is on the line
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Post by stellarboy on Jul 15, 2013 9:38:08 GMT 8
For this plan of a national legue to be successful, the PFF has to fix the problems related to these provincial FAs, in terms of funding, organization and most importantly, accountability. Many of these are run by selfish people who only use the FA for their own use and connection to the PFF, and the PFF can only digress with this situation, saying "we can't do anything about it." This has to be fixed before a league system be established.
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Post by cypher210 on Jul 15, 2013 10:20:00 GMT 8
For this plan of a national legue to be successful, the PFF has to fix the problems related to these provincial FAs, in terms of funding, organization and most importantly, accountability. Many of these are run by selfish people who only use the FA for their own use and connection to the PFF, and the PFF can only digress with this situation, saying "we can't do anything about it." This has to be fixed before a league system be established. i think the PFF should have the power over all of these satellite associations. they should strictly audit them FAs on a regular basis to prevent corruption within the provincial FAs. the provincial FAs should always have their events, organizations and other programs be approved by the PFF.
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Post by stellarboy on Jul 15, 2013 10:34:38 GMT 8
For this plan of a national legue to be successful, the PFF has to fix the problems related to these provincial FAs, in terms of funding, organization and most importantly, accountability. Many of these are run by selfish people who only use the FA for their own use and connection to the PFF, and the PFF can only digress with this situation, saying "we can't do anything about it." This has to be fixed before a league system be established. i think the PFF should have the power over all of these satellite associations. they should strictly audit them FAs on a regular basis to prevent corruption within the provincial FAs. the provincial FAs should always have their events, organizations and other programs be approved by the PFF. Here's the problem: If you remember well FIFA's recommendations last year after they assessed the situation of the sport with the PFF, one of the controversial recommendations is to open up the PFF membership roster, having the league (the UFL at that moment), its clubs and officials be members. It was really met with large opposition as the regional FAs and their leaders will lose their grip in internal affairs, especially when it comes to establishing local competition. It seems they don't want the top UFL officials to uphold the PFF's interest that much during the planning stage of this supposedly national league. And it showed during the recent PFF-Smart Championships when the NCRFA complained the involvement of UFL champ Stallion (which is actually registered to the Iloilo FA) in the competition by qualifying through the UFL Cup which is sanctioned by them. Another example is the disapproval of the NCRFA of the UFL coming up with the UFL Youth League, which did caught the public's attention. This comes to show how incompetent the regional FAs are when plans by the other parties to develop the club system are being barred by their inept leaders.
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Post by cypher210 on Jul 15, 2013 10:52:33 GMT 8
the PFF is way too lenient when it comes to these provincial FAs. they let them function without strict PFF guidelines. so basically the PFF has no control over these associations when they should have a firm grip over them. the PFF should be able to override whatever the provincial associations do. this is definitely a problem when the PFF and the regional FAs are separate entities. the national football governing body should be centralized and should have PFF delegates originating from their respective regions to run the PFF satellites. and of course they should have a merit system when it comes to picking regional delegates with a PFF council having a final say who gets the delegate's position. centralization is the key.
anyway, with the current set up, i think the regional FAs should only focus on grassroots programs and local amateur and youth leagues. along with the FAs, lesser professional leagues, clubs, and officials should be direct members of the PFF.
i just think local FAs should be dissolved and be replaced by PFF regional satellites in order to be centralized.
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Post by Caz on Jul 16, 2013 23:31:02 GMT 8
In all their years of existence, a lot of FAs are probably feeling that their control over their regions and to a lesser extent, Philippine Football, is slipping away. So they're being as stubborn as possible to slow down their inevitable course to fading away to oblivion. I agree that the PFF should somehow wrest control over the country's football affairs. I remember the mess that happened in 2008 when the PFF announced Panaad would host the Challenge Cup qualifiers then the local FA cried about not being consulted and refuse to host and they ended up holding the qualifiers in a puddle-filled mud pit elsewhere.
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Post by tipo on Jul 17, 2013 7:30:53 GMT 8
the latest would be the refereeing issue during the Azkals U23 v UFL All-Stars. PFF referees were supposed to officiate but when they arrived the referees from the NCRFA were already there & got the stint.
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Post by leoisiah on Jul 17, 2013 14:59:22 GMT 8
The best format suitable for a national football league in the Philippines is one that is like the MLS: two conferences, each team plays more conference games than non-conference games. The league would be national (involves teams from all over the country), but the expenses due to traveling are reduced.
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Post by rookoz on Jul 18, 2013 10:52:56 GMT 8
The best format suitable for a national football league in the Philippines is one that is like the MLS: two conferences, each team plays more conference games than non-conference games. The league would be national (involves teams from all over the country), but the expenses due to traveling are reduced. Conference system might be best to cut cost establishing the league. It is also can be seen as an evolution from the current national club championship use of clusters as a group stage. But it should be taken as a short term measure, with a long term goal of promotion and relegation of clubs between divisions (look at the English football league system/pyramid as a model). For a conference system to work well, there should be lots of clubs evenly spread geographically. With most of the stronger or established clubs centred in the NCR (UFL), and with the target of 10-12 clubs, this is very problematic for a conference system. One fact, that can't be changed, whatever system is put in placed, if current UFL clubs want to join this league, they must look at regional areas, maybe even work with regional FAs
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Post by rookoz on Jul 18, 2013 11:09:13 GMT 8
Below is a hypothetical development or plan for a Philippine league system. PHASE 1.a: First tier competition. A national league (“Bayan Liga”) based on a conference model, initially with 12 clubs. > Four Regional Conferences: (i) NCR - 3 clubs (ii)All Luzon - 3 clubs (iii) All Visaya - 3 clubs (iv) All Mindanao - 3 clubs >Pre-requisite for a Club licence (i) Club must be linked to a regional area. (ii) Administrative plan and funding model for financial viability of the club. (iii) Football development program/plan. > Scheduling (i) 40% to be intra-conference games (ii) 60% to be inter-conference games (iii) The aim is to have clubs financially viable and have equal percentage of games between four conferences. > Development of professional referees. > Establishment of a national football curriculum (have a read - www.footballaustralia.com.au/site/_content/document/00000099-source.pdf)PHASE 1.b: Second tier completion. Regional leagues are established, to ‘groom’ clubs for future expansion to first tier. > NCR (i) UFL to continue (ii) A ‘torneo’/cup competition. > Luzon (i) A ‘torneo’/cup competition. (ii) Further breakdown to smaller regions: (a)North Luzon (b)Central (c)South (d)South-east > Visaya (i) A ‘torneo’/cup competition. (ii)Further breakdown to smaller regions: (a)Eastern Visaya (b)Central Visaya (c)Western Visaya >Mindanao (i) A ‘torneo’/cup competition. (ii) Further breakdown to smaller regions: (a)North Mindanao (b)Central Mindanao (c)South Mindanao (d)West Mindanao PHASE 1.c: Establishment of a national knockout cup competition (PFA Cup) or “Kopa ng Pilipinas” ? > KEY MILESTONE: To be held for the first time when regional/sub-regional leagues are established. PHASE 2: Creation of Philippine football pyramid. > A relegation/promotion league system need to be established when the following key milestone have been reached - KEY MILESTONE 1: Under PHASE 1.a, league expansion should be capped at 20 clubs. KEY MILESTONE 2: Equal percentage of games between four conferences. KEY MILESTONE 3: Potential 21st, 22nd, 23rd and 24th clubs have met all the requirements. > Top twelve clubs to form a first tier competition (“Primeyero”) > Bottom eight and the 21st, 22nd, 23rd and 24th expansion clubs to form a second tier competition to replace the old conferences system. > The bottom tier of the Philippine pyramid is the regional/sub-regional leagues. This is a continuing cycle, with the next aim is to create another tier between the bottom tier and the one above it.
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Post by johnmarki on Jul 18, 2013 16:25:27 GMT 8
Hope they choose tagalog for the naming convention of the league. For example, something like calling the national league "BANSA" or "BAYAN" "LIGA", or "PRIMIYERO" for the top division, or "PUTBOL KLUB" instead of FC. A differentiation in brand marketing. Better yet I suggest to call it "Liga Filipino"
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Post by hat3trick on Jul 18, 2013 19:37:38 GMT 8
Magandang news ito para sa Philippine Football kaso wag na wag na wag lang sana mapasok ng mga mapagsamantalang pulitiko!!!
Politics destroys Philippine Sports.
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Post by elytista on Jul 24, 2013 13:02:47 GMT 8
love this idea of PFF! BRAGGING RIGHTS!!
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