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Post by atlienace on May 28, 2014 21:42:00 GMT 8
Uugghhh... just seems to be going around in circles! You say you didn't agree with it, that's great but then you basically sweep the entire situation under the rug. All it takes is ONE suspect decision, be it in player selection, tactics, substitution or whatever else, and it can turn the game on it's head against your favor. It just happens that it didn't for Dooley.I really didn't want to bring up his name but in this case it's imperative that I did! A lot of you guys seem to have double standards to what is or isn't worthy of criticism when it comes to Dooley. As I've said, people didn't have any problems criticizing practically everything Weiss said or did even if he guided the team to a win. Yet now under Dooley, something comes up that is at least worthy of some sort of discussion, it gets swept under the rug and people like you just say, "well, we won, so what's the problem". It's ridiculous!! That's the point. It didn't. He made a good call and I was wrong to disagree. Kudos to him. That's not ass kissing. And don't group me with anyone else that may or may not have a double standard. I call a spade a spade. Anyway, agree to disagree. No need to get worked up over it.
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Post by fadzki on May 28, 2014 23:32:28 GMT 8
Anybody got an Idea what Sato said when the camera was on him after the match?
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Post by brimstone on May 28, 2014 23:54:47 GMT 8
Uugghhh... just seems to be going around in circles! You say you didn't agree with it, that's great but then you basically sweep the entire situation under the rug. All it takes is ONE suspect decision, be it in player selection, tactics, substitution or whatever else, and it can turn the game on it's head against your favor. It just happens that it didn't for Dooley.I really didn't want to bring up his name but in this case it's imperative that I did! A lot of you guys seem to have double standards to what is or isn't worthy of criticism when it comes to Dooley. As I've said, people didn't have any problems criticizing practically everything Weiss said or did even if he guided the team to a win. Yet now under Dooley, something comes up that is at least worthy of some sort of discussion, it gets swept under the rug and people like you just say, "well, we won, so what's the problem". It's ridiculous!! That's the point. It didn't. He made a good call and I was wrong to disagree. Kudos to him. That's not ass kissing. And don't group me with anyone else that may or may not have a double standard. I call a spade a spade. Anyway, agree to disagree. No need to get worked up over it. It may not be ass kissing but that's not calling a spade a spade either! Take this game against the Maldives for example, sure we won, but Aguinaldo again could've cost us with him giving a away a clumsy penalty but Muller saved his ass by saving the penalty. He also scored an OG but the AFC decided to credit the goal to the striker instead. So what are you gonna do now? Sweep that under the rug and say that Dooley was right again to use him because we won?!? lol!!
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Post by atlienace on May 29, 2014 0:15:15 GMT 8
It may not be ass kissing but that's not calling a spade a spade either! Take this game against the Maldives for example, sure we won, but Aguinaldo again could've cost us with him giving a away a clumsy penalty but Muller saved his ass by saving the penalty. He also scored an OG but the AFC decided to credit the goal to the striker instead. So what are you gonna do now? Sweep that under the rug and say that Dooley was right again to use him because we won?!? lol!! It definitely bodes well for him since that is the objective isn't it? To win the game and advance. I mean the kid held his own. Muller had great saves but he was also out of position for that one lob. Maybe he shouldn't have started? And why do I feel like you always have this condescending tone with everyone. I think it's pretty noticeable.
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Post by cheeze on May 29, 2014 1:21:42 GMT 8
It may not be ass kissing but that's not calling a spade a spade either! Take this game against the Maldives for example, sure we won, but Aguinaldo again could've cost us with him giving a away a clumsy penalty but Muller saved his ass by saving the penalty. He also scored an OG but the AFC decided to credit the goal to the striker instead. So what are you gonna do now? Sweep that under the rug and say that Dooley was right again to use him because we won?!? lol!! It definitely bodes well for him since that is the objective isn't it? To win the game and advance. I mean the kid held his own. Muller had great saves but he was also out of position for that one lob. Maybe he shouldn't have started? And why do I feel like you always have this condescending tone with everyone. I think it's pretty noticeable. "You can't win anything with kids." -Alan Hansen after Manchester United lost to Villa 3-1 with Fergie relying on the younger players. Fast forward a "few" years, the likes of Giggs, the Neville brothers, Beckham, Scholes, are etched into football history. Yes, Fergie's fledglings made mistakes early in their career and cost United more than a handful of crucial games. But in the end, his gamble was more than worth it. I could see Dooley doing something similar for Philippine football in general if we can keep him for a longer period. Remember, confidence is a huge part in the development of a football player. Because of this cup, we've seen the likes of Sato and Aguinaldo excelling partly because of the fact that Dooley chose them to start over the other veterans. We also do not know what happens in the training sessions in terms of fitness and general attitude, so that's also a thought to keep in mind whenever we criticize the coach's lineup. But if we start seeing Dooley putting Doctora as a CB and Gier just behind the striker then that's when we should start getting worried.
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Post by troubledmind on May 29, 2014 4:52:45 GMT 8
Here's a video of Amani kissing the flag on his jersey with Ashfaq Ali having a tantrum. vine.co/v/MdhH1Hm73mF
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Post by mike fil montz on May 29, 2014 10:43:16 GMT 8
Here's a video of Amani kissing the flag on his jersey with Ashfaq Ali having a tantrum. vine.co/v/MdhH1Hm73mFnotice how de Jong scouts the perimeter... ... nice defensive work.. lol
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Post by tipo on May 29, 2014 11:01:18 GMT 8
Take this game against the Maldives for example, sure we won, but Aguinaldo again could've cost us with him giving a away a clumsy penalty but Muller saved his ass by saving the penalty. He also scored an OG but the AFC decided to credit the goal to the striker instead. So what are you gonna do now? Sweep that under the rug and say that Dooley was right again to use him because we won?!? lol!! almost all our defenders could've cost us. Juani, Gier, De Jong, Cristiaens, Del Rosario, & Rota that's why our keepers need to stop penalties time & time again. & no, Aguinaldo did not score an OG, it was Mulders. Right after that Mulders was replaced by Schrock.
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Post by slayermoonlight on May 29, 2014 11:33:25 GMT 8
Take this game against the Maldives for example, sure we won, but Aguinaldo again could've cost us with him giving a away a clumsy penalty but Muller saved his ass by saving the penalty. He also scored an OG but the AFC decided to credit the goal to the striker instead. So what are you gonna do now? Sweep that under the rug and say that Dooley was right again to use him because we won?!? lol!! almost all our defenders could've cost us. Juani, Gier, De Jong, Cristiaens, Del Rosario, & Rota that's why our keepers need to stop penalties time & time again. & no, Aguinaldo did not score an OG, it was Mulders. Right after that Mulders was replaced by Schrock. But committing a foul which will will cause an awardment of PK to the opponent (and committing is twice in a crucial qualifying match; 1 vs Turkmenistan and 1 vs Maldives); is a concern. We cannot pass it up at this stage, even if we are winning games. The Azkals status in football ain't the same pre-2010. We have in a higher level already, so as the expectations. I'm not saying Dooley is wrong for fielding Aguinaldo. Besides, we don't have other CB's readily available for this AFC challenge Cup campaign. Aguinaldo is a great choice and him getting the international exposure is a good investment. But still, a costly mistake (or the tendency for committing it) needs to be addressed, regardless if they win. Dooley must somehow fine-tune the way Aguinaldo positions himself. Just observe Gier. I rarely see Gier getting outrunned/chasing from behind any opposing forward he is marking. And Gier's not know for his quickness either, but he just positions himself very well. Aguinaldo will learn through the years and no doubt he will become a great solid defender 4-5 years from now and he might earn an automatic call-up whenever the Azkals will go to football battle. But he needs to correct whatever evident flaw he is showing..while there is still an opportunity because, as stated earlier by someone, the tune might be different if we lost against Maldives due to that PK. He may not have that chance again to prove himself that he'll be the next Aly Borromeo or the next Rob Gier of the Azkals. Actually, we could have conveniently defeated the Maldivians 3-1 or 4-1. we cannot just convert our shots into goals. How many times shot on goal did we took compared to the number of attempts the Maldivians did? Surprisingly, the Maldives, despite losing, have a better goal ratio than ours. Our finishing is actually my PRIMARY concern for Azkals and not Aguinaldo. We can cut some slack on the few mistakes Aguinaldo or for that matter our defense in general, provided that we can efficiently score goals. But I think it's better to open a separate thread to discuss this issue.
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Post by Caz on May 29, 2014 12:02:24 GMT 8
I've recovered from my high from the win. I only have one glaring concern, the defense. A lot had been said already regarding Aguinaldo. Without a doubt, he's getting a great education and is doing his job the best he can. He plays with a lot of heart and guys and surely he'll be a strong center back for our team in the future. But should we be using him now, though? Friendlies are there for our young players to learn. But in crucial matches like this I would have opted to put someone more experienced next to Gier. True, Amani played like a hero, and I'm a huge fan of his for it, but we do have more experienced players who could play center back in his stead. Him playing backup doesn't diminish his appeal, much like Deyto is to Muller and Etheridge. On the plus side, he has good pace and seems pretty strong. He just needs to hone his defending instincts a bit more. I just find it arguable whether or not now is the right time to get an education. There's been a discussion regarding Dooley's decision-making as well. Philosophically speaking, when do we say that a decision is the right or wrong one? At the moment it is made or after the result? I choose the latter, but it's not as clear-cut as it seems. Sure, we won, but Maldives knew exactly which part of our defense is the weakest and they went for it and at times it paid off. Dooley seems to be a good coach and may be what the team needs at this point in time. It's quite possible that he's the right guy to "take us to the next level". But for all the good choices and scouting attitude he's shown, he isn't perfect. And it's clear that not all of his decisions are universally accepted by Philippine Football fans. Nevertheless, he's only just begun. Even at this point, we'd have to wait and see how his plans play out. One minor comment, I do miss McMenemy standing in the sideline in a suit. That sure added a lot of class to the team. I kinda hoped Dooley would do the same. But no, he goes in shorts.
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Post by tipo on May 29, 2014 12:07:46 GMT 8
almost all our defenders could've cost us. Juani, Gier, De Jong, Cristiaens, Del Rosario, & Rota that's why our keepers need to stop penalties time & time again. & no, Aguinaldo did not score an OG, it was Mulders. Right after that Mulders was replaced by Schrock. But committing a foul which will will cause an awardment of PK to the opponent (and committing is twice in a crucial qualifying match; 1 vs Turkmenistan and 1 vs Maldives); is a concern. We cannot pass it up at this stage, even if we are winning games. The Azkals status in football ain't the same pre-2010. We have in a higher level already, so as the expectations. I'm not saying Dooley is wrong for fielding Aguinaldo. Besides, we don't have other CB's readily available for this AFC challenge Cup campaign. Aguinaldo is a great choice and him getting the international exposure is a good investment. But still, a costly mistake (or the tendency for committing it) needs to be addressed, regardless if they win. Dooley must somehow fine-tune the way Aguinaldo positions himself. Just observe Gier. I rarely see Gier getting outrunned/chasing from behind any opposing forward he is marking. And Gier's not know for his quickness either, but he just positions himself very well. Aguinaldo will learn through the years and no doubt he will become a great solid defender 4-5 years from now and he might earn an automatic call-up whenever the Azkals will go to football battle. But he needs to correct whatever evident flaw he is showing..while there is still an opportunity because, as stated earlier by someone, the tune might be different if we lost against Maldives due to that PK. He may not have that chance again to prove himself that he'll be the next Aly Borromeo or the next Rob Gier of the Azkals. uhmm you're not attributing the PK vs Turkmenistan to Aguinaldo, are you? because that was caused by Rota. ___ true, our defense as a whole is a concern especially when we'll face a much tougher & bigger team in Palestine. The 1st goal of Maldives happened not only because Muller was out of position but the 3 defenders were doing the offside trap except for Rota. Sato, as consistent as he is, let some attacks develop coming from his flanks because he didn't backtrack fast enough. what i'm pointing out is Aguinaldo was not alone in committing crucial mistakes. Dooley have to do something to correct or offset that at the very least.
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Post by tipo on May 29, 2014 12:45:05 GMT 8
Anybody got an Idea what Sato said when the camera was on him after the match? I think he's saying something like "Come on, that wasn't handball!". I guess they're all mad w/ Ashfaq claiming a handball when it was Aguinaldo's midsection.
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Post by veryfatchocobo on May 29, 2014 13:56:05 GMT 8
I've recovered from my high from the win. I only have one glaring concern, the defense. A lot had been said already regarding Aguinaldo. Without a doubt, he's getting a great education and is doing his job the best he can. He plays with a lot of heart and guys and surely he'll be a strong center back for our team in the future. But should we be using him now, though? Friendlies are there for our young players to learn. But in crucial matches like this I would have opted to put someone more experienced next to Gier. True, Amani played like a hero, and I'm a huge fan of his for it, but we do have more experienced players who could play center back in his stead. Him playing backup doesn't diminish his appeal, much like Deyto is to Muller and Etheridge. On the plus side, he has good pace and seems pretty strong. He just needs to hone his defending instincts a bit more. I just find it arguable whether or not now is the right time to get an education. There's been a discussion regarding Dooley's decision-making as well. Philosophically speaking, when do we say that a decision is the right or wrong one? At the moment it is made or after the result? I choose the latter, but it's not as clear-cut as it seems. Sure, we won, but Maldives knew exactly which part of our defense is the weakest and they went for it and at times it paid off. Dooley seems to be a good coach and may be what the team needs at this point in time. It's quite possible that he's the right guy to "take us to the next level". But for all the good choices and scouting attitude he's shown, he isn't perfect. And it's clear that not all of his decisions are universally accepted by Philippine Football fans. Nevertheless, he's only just begun. Even at this point, we'd have to wait and see how his plans play out. One minor comment, I do miss McMenemy standing in the sideline in a suit. That sure added a lot of class to the team. I kinda hoped Dooley would do the same. But no, he goes in shorts. IMO, it's the right decision. We're in the finals now with him LOL. He probably isn't the best choice though but looking at the wikipedia lineup, he's probably the best one we have? I assume Juani is injured....... at the moment it's very obvious that Aguinaldo isn't comfy with the other CB partner....... It's either that his club team doesn't play with a flat system (in the US, really low level teams play stopper-sweeper... so bad LOL) or that there's just a communication issue. The 2 CBs are wayyyyyy too far apart from each other....... Otherwise, the players are looking good, especially Reichelt and..... IMO Sato. Also..... it would've been nice to get Patiño and Younghusband to somehow play together though. Schrock didn't look 100% during OT so I don't think he'll be truly match ready for the finals sigh..... Schrock in the final third (out wide and somewhere in the center) is miles better than what he was with Weiss at CM.
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Post by dingg0y on May 29, 2014 18:07:20 GMT 8
It may not be ass kissing but that's not calling a spade a spade either! Take this game against the Maldives for example, sure we won, but Aguinaldo again could've cost us with him giving a away a clumsy penalty but Muller saved his ass by saving the penalty. He also scored an OG but the AFC decided to credit the goal to the striker instead. So what are you gonna do now? Sweep that under the rug and say that Dooley was right again to use him because we won?!? lol!! It definitely bodes well for him since that is the objective isn't it? To win the game and advance. I mean the kid held his own. Muller had great saves but he was also out of position for that one lob. Maybe he shouldn't have started? And why do I feel like you always have this condescending tone with everyone. I think it's pretty noticeable. I second the statement in bold letters.
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Post by faridoon on May 29, 2014 18:56:02 GMT 8
I've recovered from my high from the win. I only have one glaring concern, the defense. A lot had been said already regarding Aguinaldo. Without a doubt, he's getting a great education and is doing his job the best he can. He plays with a lot of heart and guys and surely he'll be a strong center back for our team in the future. But should we be using him now, though? Friendlies are there for our young players to learn. But in crucial matches like this I would have opted to put someone more experienced next to Gier. True, Amani played like a hero, and I'm a huge fan of his for it, but we do have more experienced players who could play center back in his stead. Him playing backup doesn't diminish his appeal, much like Deyto is to Muller and Etheridge. On the plus side, he has good pace and seems pretty strong. He just needs to hone his defending instincts a bit more. I just find it arguable whether or not now is the right time to get an education. There's been a discussion regarding Dooley's decision-making as well. Philosophically speaking, when do we say that a decision is the right or wrong one? At the moment it is made or after the result? I choose the latter, but it's not as clear-cut as it seems. Sure, we won, but Maldives knew exactly which part of our defense is the weakest and they went for it and at times it paid off. Dooley seems to be a good coach and may be what the team needs at this point in time. It's quite possible that he's the right guy to "take us to the next level". But for all the good choices and scouting attitude he's shown, he isn't perfect. And it's clear that not all of his decisions are universally accepted by Philippine Football fans. Nevertheless, he's only just begun. Even at this point, we'd have to wait and see how his plans play out. One minor comment, I do miss McMenemy standing in the sideline in a suit. That sure added a lot of class to the team. I kinda hoped Dooley would do the same. But no, he goes in shorts. Ashfaq is very much left-footed and finishes most of his chances off on that side. He is outstanding in one-on-ones. In fact, his trademark style of scoring is after beating 2-3 defenders and rounding the goalkeeper. He is also seen to fire rifle bullets into the opposition goal as seen in the previous edition of the SAFF Championship against Nepal. He is just above-class over our CBs and many European clubs including Benfica showed interest in him..
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