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Post by jpmanahan on Sept 12, 2017 23:58:29 GMT 8
Palami is the men's team manager and is only responsible for the men's team, not for the youth teams. AFF U18 Championship: Vietnam 5 Philippines 0. so far: 3 loses, -15GDs As a proud Filipino, I refuse to let Araneta and the PFF make our youngsters the "Piñatas" in Southeast Asian football. We are better than that. I respectfully nominate Dan Palami to manage the Philippine Youth teams. Maybe he can bring the magic of 2010 into the grassroots youth program and get us out of this mess. He has the UP men's basketball team, the Azkals, and Global Cebu on his plate. And you want to add the whole youth set-up? The U18 campaign has been a major disappointment, but who would you have sent instead? Would the schools definitively given consent for their students to miss out on academics? The Philippines is a unique circumstance with its youth system.
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Post by cjeagle on Sept 13, 2017 0:36:37 GMT 8
I agree. We didn't sent our best players to the AFF U18 championship. Nevertheless our youth system has improved a lot with the opening up of the academies and I think the level of football has improved at all levels including in the universities.
It just isn't being reflected in some of the national youth teams, probably because of a combination of a lack of player availability and professional experience, inadequate preparation and competition exposure(especially national youth tournaments), poor scouting and coaching inadequacies.
We also have to realize that our neighbors in SEA primarily use players with professional experience who get to train year round, while we depend mostly on amateur footballers at the youth level who have other academic commitments.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 23:28:39 GMT 8
Guys, born and raised in Franco Street, Tondo, I have a different attitude toward this massacre. I refuse to accept that our youngster are the "Piñatas" in Southeast Asian football. I am not going to offer a philosophical rationalization of the performance, or lack thereof, of our PFF youth coaches. They selected the players, and yet blame the players for NOT fit, lack talent and experiences.
We are not comparing them to youth teams from Spain, Germany, etc. We are comparing them to Vietnam, Indonesia, Myanmar, and even Brunei. Some of these countries were in major civil war after the Korean War, while Manila is in relative peace and progress.
Just look at the U15 performance, I cannot assume that the other countries' U15s were composed of professional experienced players.(U15 AFF Championship Philippines U15 was 10th. in a field of 12 countries with -11 GD)
If we give the PFF youth program the "slack" nothing will get done. They will continue to blame the lack of international experience, basketball, not fit because of to much "lugaw"for lunch and everything else. As shown by the Iceland youth soccer program, QUALITY and NOT QUANTITY. Also, I'm looking at Palami, not to micro-manage the youth program, but to use his connections and knowledge to hire the right managers and coaches to do the work, since Araneta is totally incompetent.
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Post by jpmanahan on Sept 14, 2017 1:08:48 GMT 8
Guys, born and raised in Franco Street, Tondo, I have a different attitude toward this massacre. I refuse to accept that our youngster are the "Piñatas" in Southeast Asian football. I am not going to offer a philosophical rationalization of the performance, or lack thereof, of our PFF youth coaches. They selected the players, and yet blame the players for NOT fit, lack talent and experiences. We are not comparing them to youth teams from Spain, Germany, etc. We are comparing them to Vietnam, Indonesia, Myanmar, and even Brunei. Some of these countries were in major civil war after the Korean War, while Manila is in relative peace and progress. Just look at the U15 performance, I cannot assume that the other countries' U15s were composed of professional experienced players.(U15 AFF Championship Philippines U15 was 10th. in a field of 12 countries with -11 GD) If we give the PFF youth program the "slack" nothing will get done. They will continue to blame the lack of international experience, basketball, not fit because of to much "lugaw"for lunch and everything else. As shown by the Iceland youth soccer program, QUALITY and NOT QUANTITY. Also, I'm looking at Palami, not to micro-manage the youth program, but to use his connections and knowledge to hire the right managers and coaches to do the work, since Araneta is totally incompetent. You like citing Iceland. Sure, it's cool trying to replicate the great story of our Viking friends up north, but it is not easy as it sounds. 1. That needed around 15 years to pull off. It's almost 7 years since the Miracle of Hanoi. 2. 329K and generally within one island compared to 100M and spread across 7107 of them. 3. There are football facilities that the local government / KSI help establish with public funding. Well, tell that to our leaders and look how they properly allocate said facilities. Pretty sure they are going to ask for ROI. 4. How many coaches do we have? Licensed coaches, I mean. And where are these licensed coaches based? Isn't the federation trying to increase the number of such folk? Iceland worked because they invested there in such a way that quality coaches are readily available at a very young age at each football facility. Our raging demand to watch the Champions League allows KSI to have loads of kitty to undertake whatever training scheme they have for coaching. The same can be said for technical directors. The Federation has its faults, sure, but it's trying what it feasibly can considering the limitations it has. We don't even have a fully functional national training center yet (we will once the Carmona facility is completely built). It is going to take time to make football more relevant here, whether you like it or not. May even take generations. One just has to keep working and working.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 2:15:22 GMT 8
The argument here is between those with a focused approach to a problem and those whose solution is to "boil the ocean". i.e. we need lots of facilities & training centers, lots of licensed coaches, about 15 yrs. of progress, etc.
Come on man, we are talking about 3-4 age groups (U15, U17, U19, U22) composed of about 23 players each, coming from a city whose population is 12.88M NCR 2015 (Iceland 331K 2015). The U18s were 14 yrs old, 3 years ago, and could be trained by a Japanese coach on a 3 year contract. So we hire 4 foreign coaches, rather than wait for hundreds of Filipino coaches available in our 7,100 islands. We use Rizal Memorial Stadium, schedule: 7A-10A U15s, 11A-2P, U17s, 3P-5P, U19s and 6P-9P U22s, three times a week. OK, this is an exaggerated simplification, but it is a direct to the point, focused solution to a problem. Of course, we select the best athletic youngster available, no politics, no "lagay man".<--- this could be the major flaw in my argument, since Filipinos are Filipinos.
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Post by delver on Sept 14, 2017 11:18:56 GMT 8
Football/Futsal isn't even taught and played in most schools in the Philippines. Kids are robbed of their potential. We are not a football mad nation (yet) like most Southeast Asian countries and we don't have immaculate full size indoor pitches like Iceland. What we can do now is set up a football or sports academy that can house and nurture young talents. Iceland has it better because they can micro manage their talents (small population) and there are facilities all around the island that they can practice on all year round
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Post by jpmanahan on Sept 14, 2017 23:00:12 GMT 8
The argument here is between those with a focused approach to a problem and those whose solution is to "boil the ocean". i.e. we need lots of facilities & training centers, lots of licensed coaches, about 15 yrs. of progress, etc. Come on man, we are talking about 3-4 age groups (U15, U17, U19, U22) composed of about 23 players each, coming from a city whose population is 12.88M NCR 2015 (Iceland 331K 2015). The U18s were 14 yrs old, 3 years ago, and could be trained by a Japanese coach on a 3 year contract. So we hire 4 foreign coaches, rather than wait for hundreds of Filipino coaches available in our 7,100 islands. We use Rizal Memorial Stadium, schedule: 7A-10A U15s, 11A-2P, U17s, 3P-5P, U19s and 6P-9P U22s, three times a week. OK, this is an exaggerated simplification, but it is a direct to the point, focused solution to a problem. Of course, we select the best athletic youngster available, no politics, no "lagay man".<--- this could be the major flaw in my argument, since Filipinos are Filipinos. Of course, that would mean adjustment to their education, since you want to specialize them. Also, this means $$$$. A solution is nice. But one needs to be framed with the certain realities that are in place here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 0:24:56 GMT 8
Our Southeast Asian neighbors just kicked our butts, it is time to fight back. How does the USA train their Navy Seals? They go to a boot camp for 6-8 months, and those who cannot handle it gets thrown out and replaced.
So we create a similar boot camp for soccer with our best young athletes. Those practicing in mornings goes to school in the afternoon, and vice versa. They are all subsidized by PFF with pocket money. This is like the USA IMG Soccer Camp in Florida. For some of our poor youngsters, this is the best thing that could happen for their future. No politics, no cronyism, even from rich families, if they are not good enough gets thrown out and replaced. The 4 coaches stays with their own original team from U15 to U22. Year after year they know exactly the team they got and how to fully exploit the players' capabilities. In 5 years, the U15s will be U22s under the same coach, the U19s will the same coach for 4 years, U18s same for 3 years, and so on.
The first thing, fire Chiefy, Maro and Aberasturi.
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Post by jpmanahan on Sept 16, 2017 0:44:00 GMT 8
So we create a similar boot camp for soccer with our best young athletes. Those practicing in mornings goes to school in the afternoon, and vice versa. They are all subsidized by PFF with pocket money. This is like the USA IMG Soccer Camp in Florida. For some of our poor youngsters, this is the best thing that could happen for their future. No politics, no cronyism, even from rich families, if they are not good enough gets thrown out and replaced. The 4 coaches stays with their own original team from U15 to U22. Year after year they know exactly the team they got and how to fully exploit the players' capabilities. In 5 years, the U15s will be U22s under the same coach, the U19s will the same coach for 4 years, U18s same for 3 years, and so on. The first thing, fire Chiefy, Maro and Aberasturi. Sounds good. We'll need a school that can do just that. As always, advocating a firing needs a corresponding hiring.
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Post by cjeagle on Sept 17, 2017 15:06:33 GMT 8
Filipino Youth Need To Be Groomed For International Competition A well-defined plan from 2011 wasn’t carried out. National youth teams in the Philippines are struggling in international competition. Why is that happening? One answer is that our youth aren’t being groomed for success on the world stage. I ask: Why has that happened? One answer is: It wasn’t supposed to happen. In 2011–six years ago–GMA News Online reported that “for the first time since 2004, there will be an organized program to prepare for the AFC Under-17 Championship and World Championship in 2017 and 2019, respectively.” The report continued: “The national coaching staff scoured Cebu, Davao, Bacolod, Iloilo, and Metro Manila to scout eight-year-olds. These kids are the perfect age for the two tournaments, turning 14 in 2017 and 16 in 2019.” “If trained properly, these kids are gonna be better than the current Azkals,” said Aries Caslieb, who was then the national team coach. But did we see those players at the U14 Festival of Football in Brunei in 2016 or in the AFF Under-15 Championship in Thailand in 2017? We need to go back to the drawing board to plan effectively for this country’s football development. And, as we do that, we need to recognize that seeds of success are planted at the grassroots. It’s there that children master the basics and develop love and a passion for the game. But even if we embrace that philosophy–and many already do–there’s more to the story. We need to ask and answer two questions: What types of players do we need? What style of football is required? At the moment everybody is doing what they like at the grassroots and teams play any style they want. That just won’t do. In 2015 Azkals coach, Thomas Dooley, told The Guardian: “I want to build a team where everyone works for each other and for themselves, I want to have players who want the ball, who want to take responsibility, and I want to play football. I don’t want to kick the ball and rush after it.” I ask: Is that the benchmark for player development in the Philippines? www.thesportscol.com/2017/09/filipino-youth-need-to-be-groomed-for-international-competition/PFF President Araneta mentioned this before a few years ago. That they will prepare a youth team to compete for a slot in the U17 World Youth Cup by 2019. Yet here we are in 2017, our U-18 team losing to Brunei and being routed by our SEA neighbors. All words but no plan in place to actually achieve this goal. Contrast that with the Philippine Ice Hockey national team. They hired a Fil Canadian Coach Montano, to develop our kids in 2011 and here we are 6 years later with a mostly home grown team full of teenagers and players in their early 20's many of them developed by Coach Montano, who have succeeded in winning Gold in the SEA games in their very first outing against more established teams like Thailand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 22:21:40 GMT 8
Finally somebody wrote an article on this issue. Thank you Lerche Njang (September 17, 2017). Accountability is needed from the PFF, not plenty of BS. It is amazing that they have been "BSing" the Philippine football public for years on those amazing plans they got for our young grassroots players. AFF U18 Championship Sept. 2017: Brunei 3 Philippines 2. Indonesia 9 Philippines 0. Vietnam 5 Philippines 0. Myanmar 7 Philippines 0. Embarrassing 4 loses, -22 GDs.
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Post by cjeagle on Sept 18, 2017 1:42:18 GMT 8
There has been progress. I like the fact that the PFF has reached out to FIFA and the AFC for help. The fact that PFF President Araneta is part of the 4 FIFA Council members of the AFC now will hopefully help us get the necessary funds and help from both FIFA and the AFC. We now have a national professional league that I hope will succeed. The pro league with their academies will play a big part in developing our youth.
However when it comes to the national youth teams, they don't really have an organized plan to develop our young players. If they can't afford to get a coach and technical director with the appropriate qualifications from abroad, they should at least get coaches with a good track record at home. They should start with getting a technical director(instead of Caslib) who will hire national youth team coaches with real life coaching experience(not just playing experience like Chieffy), just because they happen to have a coaching license(recently obtained). Getting a license is one thing, learning to coach day in and day out at the professional or university ranks is another. The new technical director should also choose coaches that play a similar style(based on possession as this will fit our physique better rather than the hodegpodge of styles that we currently have including some who advocate long ball styles) from the youngest age groups to the men's team and train their players regularly as much as possible, not only a few weeks before a tournament.
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Post by delver on Sept 24, 2017 12:52:57 GMT 8
Imagine if all the basketball courts in the country are also used for futsal, we could no longer have a shortage of young talent. But all that depends on the environment they live in. Check out this documentary about Street Football in France. It's called "Ballon sur Bitume" meaning concrete football. Enjoy
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Post by cypher210 on Sept 24, 2017 23:41:37 GMT 8
Imagine if all the basketball courts in the country are also used for futsal, we could no longer have a shortage of young talent. But all that depends on the environment they live in. Check out this documentary about Street Football in France. It's called "Ballon sur Bitume" meaning concrete football. Enjoy I think the best way to introduce futsal to people would be through elementary schools and high schools. They should implement it in their Physical Education curriculum. Then maybe it will spark more interest in the sport. I don't think people would play futsal right away even when you turn basketball courts into futsal courts. I think even with the availability of hard courts around the philippines, people still would play basketball right away.
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Post by delver on Sept 25, 2017 9:43:15 GMT 8
Imagine if all the basketball courts in the country are also used for futsal, we could no longer have a shortage of young talent. But all that depends on the environment they live in. Check out this documentary about Street Football in France. It's called "Ballon sur Bitume" meaning concrete football. Enjoy I think the best way to introduce futsal to people would be through elementary schools and high schools. They should implement it in their Physical Education curriculum. Then maybe it will spark more interest in the sport. I don't think people would play futsal right away even when you turn basketball courts into futsal courts. I think even with the availability of hard courts around the philippines, people still would play basketball right away. I've also been saying that since 2010. That's why I started my sentence with "Imagine". PFF should try and discuss the inclusion of futsal/football in the curriculum with DepEd if they haven't done so.
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