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Post by xyz1000 on Mar 18, 2011 5:43:01 GMT 8
I figured I'd wait a few days before posting because that usually gives me time to reflect and filter out knee-jerk reactions on watching a game. It's been a few days already and I'm still as upset and disappointed as I was after the game.
Couldn't agree more with cjeagle's analysis. I can cut Coach W some slack -- his first game was due to... being his first game. This second game was due to the freezing cold weather, the earthquake in Japan and how it affected the travel conditions. Yes, these are all legitimate arguments. But this is also Mongolia. Number 183 in the world, is it? The only team to have ever lost to Guam.
It was very difficult to watch the game from the first minute. No string of passes, no coordination, no plan, just bring the ball up quickly and hope for the best. That was ugly Azkals football. Letting them score two. Only scoring one. We're supposed to be a team on the rise, but this shows we've taken a step backward no doubt.
Good coaching is getting the most out of the team with what you have, and if this is the basic metric on which to judge Coach W he is failing miserably. If the Azkals played like that against Japan I would have no problem, but against Mongolia? I refuse to believe that we still haven't climbed out of the cellar and that the performance against Singapore, Vietnam, Myanmar, and Indonesia were flukes. No, that cannot be.
I'm still reserving final judgement on Coach W, but it doesn't look very good. I hate to bring up Coach Mc again, but whatever he did was magic. If we can't be in the top 2 of our group in the upcoming tournament then I'll consider Coach W a failure.
I'm still upset and disappointed.
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Post by vimjonk on Mar 18, 2011 9:55:51 GMT 8
Maybe Coach W wants to turn a Greek Team into a Dutch Team.
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Post by beho on Mar 18, 2011 14:10:13 GMT 8
;Dlet's give coach weiss the benefit of the doubt, let's wait until the game vs. myanmar, after that game then that's the time you'll know if i'll be the newest member of your bashing bandwagon, hehehehehe ;D
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Post by logic09 on Mar 18, 2011 14:20:19 GMT 8
;Dlet's give coach weiss the benefit of the doubt, let's wait until the game vs. myanmar, after that game then that's the time you'll know if i'll be the newest member of your bashing bandwagon, hehehehehe ;D --yeah , you got it right bro. who are we to prejudge anyway?...
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Post by vimjonk on Mar 18, 2011 14:38:38 GMT 8
;Dlet's give coach weiss the benefit of the doubt, let's wait until the game vs. myanmar, after that game then that's the time you'll know if i'll be the newest member of your bashing bandwagon, hehehehehe ;D that would be the litmus test since Coach Macca also met that team and it ends in a 0-0 draw with a much lesser quality team 0-0 draw would not be enough since that means Coach Macca would be a better manager than Weiss
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Post by cjeagle on Mar 18, 2011 14:53:54 GMT 8
Plus the Myanmar coach is a Serbian coach who are good at counterattacking. It would be a good test. YANGON (3 Feb 2011) – The Myanmar Football Federation (MFF) have appointed Milan Zivadinovic of Serbia as the new chief of the Myanmar national team. The former Iraq and Ghana national team cach, Zivadinovic signed a two-year contract with the MFF in a ceremony last week. The deal, which is reported to be worth around USD180,000 per year, will also see the 66-year-old Zivadinovic guiding the Myanmar Oympic team. The Myanmar Under-23 side will be playing in the 2012 Olympic qualifiers against India later this month. At the same ceremony, Jovica Nikolic and Goran Zivadinovic were also appointed as the assistants to Zivadinovic. Former player of Red Star Belgrade, Zivadinovic took charge of the Yugoslavia national team in 1998 where he boosted their FIFA ranking to the highest ever at sixth. He was also voted as the best coach in Yugoslavia 1993 and the best foreign coach in Turkey 1984. While in Yugoslavia, he had a hand in developing players like Mijatovic (Real Madrid), Stankovic (Inter Milan), Mihajlovic (Inter Milan) and Kezman BTW I am not bashing Coach Weiss. I just want him to pay a little more attention to the defence and make the formation more compact. The true test will be when we have our full team in WC qualifying.
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Post by cjeagle on Mar 19, 2011 3:02:45 GMT 8
beho,
I am no expert but here is what long time Philippine coach Juan Cutillas has to say:
"I think the team lost some credibility,” he said. “No excuses for the loss. We should’ve beaten Mongolia. We had little passing. We couldn’t change the pace of the game. We weren’t helping each other out. We needed to play a more compact game. Instead, we played to the pace of Mongolia with long balls. Mongolia played physical. We didn’t play our game.”
He is really directing his criticism at Coach Weiss with this comments.
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Post by vimjonk on Mar 19, 2011 10:50:28 GMT 8
Maybe this is the initial sign of Macca > Weiss Cutillas did not touch the playing philosophy of Macca when he was interviewed pre Leg 1 against Indonesia. After the match on Monday, we could really verify which is which ;D
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Post by cjeagle on Mar 19, 2011 11:14:01 GMT 8
Well I am still hoping we improve in Myanmar. Mcmenemy is no longer available and we are stuck with Coach Weiss for the next 2 years so hopefully he turns out to be the coach we are all looking for. He now has better players to implement his system with and hopefully it all works out.
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Post by curtlanceunited on Mar 19, 2011 13:41:16 GMT 8
Nuff said. Weiss is better than Macca as of the moment.
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Post by shakoy on Mar 19, 2011 14:06:02 GMT 8
i think he tried to instill an offensive system into defenders hence the terrible showing. now he's let go of many adding tuason and gueridon (both forwards) to complement his system. maybe that should have a better result.
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Post by redd on Mar 19, 2011 15:50:03 GMT 8
According to my reliable source, Coach W is rarely discussing play formation and tactics. His emphasis are for players to "gel/familiarize" with each other and conditioning that's why the squad has two practice sessions in the morning and in the afternoon. Considering that Coach W has been the technical director of the youth programs in Rwanda, perhaps this (gel) is the kind of system he finds more important. On the other hand, Macca is more of a tactician type because of his vast knowledge of tactics and formation in England and this is shown by how we did it in the Suzuki Cup. Nonetheless, each coach has his own way of system hope that this will maximize the potential of the azkal as a team.
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Post by slayermoonlight on Mar 19, 2011 16:59:02 GMT 8
First of all, as an observer of the Azkals since the now defunct pinoysoccer.com, I'd say our national team is "steering the right course" (although not totally in smooth sailing). I'm happy that finally Football is regaining its foothold in Philippine sports. And kudos to Mr. Palami, the Azkals are more motivated to play for our country unlike before when all sorts of graft & corruption, mismanagement, dirty polotics, and intriga are so demoralizing and frustrating.
Going back, with regards to our present coach, I believe it's premature for us to judge his competence after the recent Mongolian campaign. And please let's not compare McMenemy's exploits with Weiss'. During the Suzuki Cup, the other SEA teams didn't care who we are. No one even knew "we are competing". Things are totally different now. wit all the now fame, hype, and recognition, the Azkals are now subjected into a a lot more pressure. For me, what Weiss wants is for the Azkals to go out of the Post-Suzuki Cup defensive mentality.
I'm not a die-hard fan of any Football coach. It's just I somehow reciprocate with Wiess' views. If we want the Azkals to climb up in a more prolific international scene:
- we should stop relying on Etheridge all the time. (hindi porket wala si Etheridge eh jittery na ang team.)
- the Azkal should really develop an innate attacking doctrine and should be instilled within the team. no need for shouting instruction from the sidelines. it should be automatic, instinct. isang tiningnan at sensyasan lang alam na win. (*noticed when they played against Indonesia during the Suzuki Cup semis?).
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Post by vimjonk on Mar 19, 2011 17:07:09 GMT 8
... - the Azkal should really develop an innate attacking doctrine and should be instilled within the team. no need for shouting instruction from the sidelines. it should be automatic, instinct. isang tiningnan at sensyasan lang alam na win. (*noticed when they played against Indonesia during the Suzuki Cup semis?). Shouting instructions from the sidelines is not really a bad thing. Great football managers is doing it all the time. Mourinho, Fergie, Rafa, Pep, etc. Sometimes, the team captain would be too immersed in the game and forget the correct run of play
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Post by beho on Mar 19, 2011 17:15:27 GMT 8
beho, I am no expert but here is what long time Philippine coach Juan Cutillas has to say: "I think the team lost some credibility,” he said. “No excuses for the loss. We should’ve beaten Mongolia. We had little passing. We couldn’t change the pace of the game. We weren’t helping each other out. We needed to play a more compact game. Instead, we played to the pace of Mongolia with long balls. Mongolia played physical. We didn’t play our game.” He is really directing his criticism at Coach Weiss with this comments. >:(did you know how long juan cutillas coached the rp team for how long & for nothing, i don't know if he's just jealous or what , the records speak for itself' , what i,m trying to drive at is give weiss a chance until after the game vs. burma before you give your comments, bec. the 2nd leg game vs, mongolia was played in an unlevel playing field, so please wait till mar.21 that's all i'm asking thank you!
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