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Post by xyz1000 on Dec 7, 2017 19:46:26 GMT 8
One positive thing in the lost to Timor-Leste, our boys sang the National Anthem loud and clear, showing that the majority of the starting players were indeed Filipinos. Another excellent decision of Maro in putting one of the Cheng's boys as goalie with 1 minute to go during extra time, strictly for that comic effect to entertain the commentators and the viewing crowd. A disastrous tournament and what is tondoboy's positive takeaway from all this? That the lads sang the national anthem loud and clear. Perhaps next time we should just send the Ateneo Men's College Choir. They will surely sing louder and clearer. Never mind results on the field.
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Post by dingg0y on Dec 7, 2017 20:19:02 GMT 8
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 21:53:27 GMT 8
One positive thing in the lost to Timor-Leste, our boys sang the National Anthem loud and clear, showing that the majority of the starting players were indeed Filipinos. Another excellent decision of Maro in putting one of the Cheng's boys as goalie with 1 minute to go during extra time, strictly for that comic effect to entertain the commentators and the viewing crowd. A disastrous tournament and what is tondoboy's positive takeaway from all this? That the lads sang the national anthem loud and clear. Perhaps next time we should just send the Ateneo Men's College Choir. They will surely sing louder and clearer. Never mind results on the field. For my friend xyz1000: sarcasm definition. A form of irony in which apparent praise conceals another, scornful meaning. And, of course everybody in this forum knows my position in regards to imported half-Filipino players.
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Post by delver on Dec 8, 2017 9:05:43 GMT 8
The lost to Timor Leste was a bitter pill to swallow. It really doesn't matter whether the players were homegrown or born overseas. We should have won the game or at least scored a goal with all the chances we had during the game.
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Post by xyz1000 on Dec 8, 2017 9:18:13 GMT 8
On a more serious note, seems that something sinister went on with the team's participation in this tournament. Why Maro and not Dooley? Does the GK's father really have that kind of influence -- to convince PFF to send this team and have his son play for a minute to have the glory of being called a national team player?
That's a high price to pay. Drop in the rankings, which potentially affects probability for success in the Asian Cup. And in future tournaments. The cost of going to the tournament. I wonder if there was a net gain in PFF finances, or whether this was a loss. And then there's the value. What is the value of the Azkals participation compared to the cost?
Would be nice to read a piece from an investigative reporter.
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Post by dingg0y on Dec 8, 2017 15:44:17 GMT 8
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Post by dingg0y on Dec 8, 2017 15:52:10 GMT 8
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Post by cjeagle on Dec 9, 2017 7:54:03 GMT 8
A nice observation from a reporter(who posts regularly on the forum) from Palestine on the bigsoccer Philippines football thread: www.bigsoccer.com/threads/philippines-football-thread-ii-r.2036599/page-10"I think results bear out the weaknesses of Football in the Philippines. You have a good first team very little depth. The grassroots are non-existent- so while the fans think the B-team should be able to get at least six points from these three games it isn't the case. A mid tier team in Asia (which is what the Philippines is right now) should be able to beat Timor Leste with a B-team, even a C-team. The result is an indictment of Football in the Philippines, if you want to blame the PFF- blame them for not investing enough in the grassroots, not for sending youngsters to play in a meaningless tournament. You will most likely qualify for the Asian Cup and I wish you the best of luck but I think your expectations need to take into account the obvious shortcomings. Much love from Palestine." And my response: We appreciate the love Redstriker. (-: However, the PFF did not even send the best available players from the teams that did not participate in the PFL semifinals. A totally different management team, coaching staff and player roster was sent instead and the new team manager decided to include 2 of his sons(who were incidentally given playing time in this tournament) who are fringe players on the club he owns in the PFL, Davao United which placed 2nd to last in the league. The Davao team manager offered to pay for the expenses and was given carte blanche to form a team of nobody's(not even B or C team). Normally I wouldn't care, especially for youth level tournaments, since it is my belief that the PFF should concentrate on local players for youth level tournaments with possibly a handful or less of reinforcements from our diaspora abroad if necessary. But this is the men's team and the results impact the FIFA rankings at a critical time. As an article mentioned "A drop in the rankings could prove fatal if we qualify for the 2019 Asian Cup as we could be dropped from Pot 3 to Pot 4." The PFF's decision has raised quite a ruckus at home, with the current national men's team manager who was not consulted on the issue, bemoaning the decision and its consequences and many in the media following suit. Of course, the PFF has turned silent and did not even report the results on its official team website. More relevant articles on the issue: Conflict erupts after Azkals' losses in Taiwan tilt news.abs-cbn.com/sports/12/07/17/football-conflict-erupts-after-azkals-losses-in-taiwan-tilt PFF still silent on Taiwan ‘debacle’ fastbreak.com.ph/pff-still-silent-on-taiwan-debacle/Azkals Team Manager Dan Palami says the Taiwan debacle could have been prevented. “We understand the need to send a team to the tournament. Chinese Taipei is one of the few countries that supported and gave exposure to the Philippine Azkals when nobody then gave us a chance. But they should have consulted the national management for the call ups,” he says. Palami said the team was assembled while the Azkals were in Nepal. While the management made suggestions, Palami was told the team is already complete. “We could have sent Harry Fäll and others to reinforce the team but the matter was already decided,” he added. _________ As was pointed by the regular men's team national team manager, they could have added a few more young deserving players from other teams in the PFL or the senior national team and the team would most likely have had a better chance of winning this low level tournament.
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Post by xyz1000 on Dec 9, 2017 8:21:11 GMT 8
If you fail to prepare, you're preparing to fail.
from the abs-cbn article... Azkals’ team manager to the Taiwan tilt, Jefferson Cheng, didn’t like Palami’s reaction. “I think whoever makes these negative statements are being unfair. We ended up second place with 3 days preparation, the players were given the best organization one can possibly do with the time, and logistics constraints we have plus the conflict that the CTFA Tournament have with the PFL schedule,” he said. Cheng, who also owns the Davao Aguilas FC, pointed out that detractors should instead focus on the positive side of their Taiwan stint....
There is nothing positive about this. 3 days preparation? We're not talking about a high school team here. This is the national team. Who is team Azkals accountable to? THE FANS are big stakeholders and overwhelmingly the fans are saying the team and management were ill-prepared. And then there's the ranking to worry about.
Seems like Mr. Cheng's motivation was to have his GK son finally have his day as an Azkal. Can anyone tell me otherwise? Is this the kind of organization PFF is? Owner of team in PFL wants his son to be an Azkals, so convinces PFF to participate in a tournament where the A-team and B-team cannot go because of scheduling conflicts and short notice.
Is that what PFF is all about?
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Post by iniestafan on Dec 9, 2017 22:43:02 GMT 8
Me either. I think this is the reason why football will be behind basketball and volleyball. Whenever Gilas losses rabid fans will always ask for the ouster of coach, players etc. while in Philippine football some media people are defending that loss. I think Bob should have at least shown some anger, frustration if he's really a hardcore fan.
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Post by iniestafan on Dec 9, 2017 23:03:02 GMT 8
I think the issue here is why the team used the "Philippines" when it is not the best team that they sent. Why not just label it as U23? You see Pinoys always take pride on everything that represents them. And seeing your "Philippine" lose to lowly teams is something thats hard to forget and forgive.
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Post by cebujames on Dec 10, 2017 1:15:44 GMT 8
Everyone, may I present to you the word "MONEY". I think that's the reason why this is all happening. lol
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Post by johnmarki on Dec 10, 2017 8:13:54 GMT 8
Everyone, may I present to you the word "MONEY". I think that's the reason why this is all happening. lol Sad truth.. For PFF, money comes first before talent. I hope this politics bs with pff would end.
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Post by xyz1000 on Dec 10, 2017 12:45:49 GMT 8
I have nothing against money here. If the team was given an appearance fee of US$1M to participate in the tournament, I say take it and use the funds other PFF programs like player development. While I have no data, I highly doubt significant money was given to the team. Maybe this was even a money-losing endeavor.
The problem I see is that the PFF did not prepare for this tournament and did not convey any message about what this tournament is all about. If six months ago PFF came out, marketed the event, gave the message that the team will be participating in these "friendlies" with the goal of giving experience to younger players especially since the event conflicts with the semifinals of the league, then fans would know what to expect and there wouldn't be the kind of disappointment we see.
What happened is a hastily prepared-for tournament with a team not coached by the real coach. Anyone know why Dooley did not coach? And then there's Mr. Cheng. What was his role in getting the team to go and why?
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Post by FromSulu on Dec 10, 2017 13:51:39 GMT 8
Based from the articles about our nightmare in Taipei,The tournament is sponsored by CTFA from plane tickets, accomodations etc.
It says that the invitation came when the Azkals were in Nepal and at that time it was supposed to be a Under-23 tournament (exhibition games) so Jefferson Cheng owner of Davao Aguilas and Part owner of Western Sydney Wanderers was approached by PFF to manage the team for CTFA invitational, But prior to the start of the competetion it was announced that matches will be considered as Friendly games by FIFA, so the results will have implications on our ranking.
Dan Palami suggested some players to be included in the team, maybe he was referring to Harry Föll, players from JPV Marikina and Ilocos United. But according to Jefferson Cheng, they invited other players from those two teams but they didn't heared any thing from them, they even bought plane tickets daw for them. just incase.But it seems like there was a lack of cooperation and understanding between Dan Palami/Thomas Dooley with Jeff Cheng/Marlon Maro.
Thomas Dooley was in the Philippines at that time, he was a speaker in the PFF Coaches convention.
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