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Post by cjeagle on May 14, 2011 7:04:35 GMT 8
Sorry to disappoint you guys but Paul Mulder's case is similar to Denis Wolf. His mother was already Dutch when he was born.
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Post by ceburoo on May 14, 2011 7:32:06 GMT 8
Sorry to disappoint you guys but Paul Mulder's case is similar to Denis Wolf. His mother was already Dutch when he was born. Wow that is a disappointment. Sayang. His experience and style of play would have been a plus to the team.  Thanks for clarifying and shutting down any further speculation as to his eligibility for the AZKALS. This clarification obviously has just come through. Did the PFF contact him or did the information come through a reliable secondary source.?? It seems like now you can transfer this topic to the in-eligible (the ones that got away) topics section. |
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Post by cjeagle on May 14, 2011 7:37:06 GMT 8
Let us wait for Paul to explore his alternatives before dismissing him totally. For all we know he might want to seek naturalization like Sergio Van Dijk is doing for the Indonesian team.
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Post by ceburoo on May 14, 2011 8:01:14 GMT 8
Let us wait for Paul to explore his alternatives before dismissing him totally. For all we know he might want to seek naturalization like Sergio Van Dijk is doing for the Indonesian team. Is that the Sergio van Dijk that is playing in the A-League in Australia?? What process did he take to become Indonesian and how long did that process take?? |
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Post by cjeagle on May 14, 2011 8:12:02 GMT 8
Same person. You can check Sergio Van Dijk's wikipedia page. When Indonesia initially approached him, he said yes but changed his mind when he found out that Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship and that he would have to give up his Dutch citizenship. After a few months, he apparently decided that he is willing to do this so he can play for the Indo national team.
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Post by ceburoo on May 14, 2011 8:23:01 GMT 8
But isnt there a qualifying residential period or something before he can get his indonesian citizenship??
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Post by cjeagle on May 14, 2011 8:38:46 GMT 8
Here is the relevant paragraph on wikipedia: On July 19, 2010, it was reported that Van Dijk was to declare for Indonesia, the country of origin of one of his grandparents.[12] However, upon meeting with the Indonesian football authorities, he learned that in order to be able to represent Indonesia, he must earn Indonesian citizenship and give up his Dutch citizenship, as Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. He refused to decide his international future, citing that it is difficult for him to gave up his Dutch citizenship because his wife and families are Dutch.[13] After some time, he finally decided to put off his Dutch citizenship in order to play for Indonesia. Currently, his Indonesian citizenship is being processed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_van_Dijk |
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Post by djaime21 on May 14, 2011 9:33:47 GMT 8
Sorry to disappoint you guys but Paul Mulder's case is similar to Denis Wolf. His mother was already Dutch when he was born. Wow that is a disappointment. Sayang. His experience and style of play would have been a plus to the team. Thanks for clarifying and shutting down any further speculation as to his eligibility for the AZKALS. This clarification obviously has just come through. Did the PFF contact him or did the information come through a reliable secondary source.?? It seems like now you can transfer this topic to the in-eligible (the ones that got away) topics section. there's still hope for mulders and wolf. if they can get the proper documents stating that their blood grandparents were born in the philippines, they can still obtain citizenship. article 16(c) of FIFA's rules of eligibility states that. so like i said, there's still hope for mulders and wolf. |
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Post by cjeagle on May 14, 2011 9:41:07 GMT 8
FIFA requires you to have a passport for the country you live in before you can play for that team. if the Philippines will not grant any of these players one, they won't be able to play. It is not only FIFA rules that you must follow, you also have to consider Philippine legal requirements for citizenship.
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Post by curtlanceunited on May 14, 2011 12:36:05 GMT 8
Let us wait for Paul to explore his alternatives before dismissing him totally. For all we know he might want to seek naturalization like Sergio Van Dijk is doing for the Indonesian team. Unfortunately, you can't apply for dual citizenship here in the philippines if your only a naturalized citizen. |
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Post by jimsar on May 14, 2011 16:19:52 GMT 8
Unfortunately, you can't apply for dual citizenship here in the philippines if your only a naturalized citizen. I don't understand your statement, curtlanceunited ... why would an individual apply for dual citizenship if he's already a naturalized citizen? Especially if his country of birth doesn't recognize dual citizenship. |
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Post by djaime21 on May 14, 2011 19:06:28 GMT 8
when i tried to get a hold of the pff, granted it was 5 years ago when i tried, they told me i had to do what FIFA Article 16(c) states in order to prove nationality and get citizenship. i still believe mulders and wolf can do the same if they can get the papers that prove they can obtain citizenship.
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Post by curtlanceunited on May 14, 2011 19:45:47 GMT 8
Unfortunately, you can't apply for dual citizenship here in the philippines if your only a naturalized citizen. I don't understand your statement, curtlanceunited ... why would an individual apply for dual citizenship if he's already a naturalized citizen? Especially if his country of birth doesn't recognize dual citizenship. Jimsar, Cjeagle mentioned in his previous post that Paul might seek other options such as to be naturalized. My point is that if Paul will apply for naturalization, he will lose his dutch citizenship since Philippine law will not allow dual citizenship for naturalized citizence. Hence, naturalization is not an option for Paul since he may no longer have his dutch citizenship. |
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Post by xyz1000 on May 14, 2011 21:24:51 GMT 8
Admins -- I think you put Paul Mulders in the "ineligible" section prematurely.
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Post by cjeagle on May 14, 2011 23:01:11 GMT 8
let us await further developments.
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