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Post by slayermoonlight on Jul 10, 2011 21:34:27 GMT 8
No chiefy bashing here guys, just a little constructive comments will do. We are here to support our national team. With the absence of Borromeo, i would rather ask Mr Weiss to hand over the leadership to Anton Del Rosario or James Younghusband because aside from their obvious patriotism and commitment to the team they can communicate well with both locals and foreign base players. +1 to you. Unfortunately, not all poster are receptive on constructive arguments and mature posting.
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Post by slayermoonlight on Jul 10, 2011 21:36:16 GMT 8
from post in another forum: kaloka itong si chino trinidad sa kanyang show na GAME....nanood ako kanina...ininterview niya with Cristine Jacob si Chieffy Caligdong....ang dami niyang salita...hehehe...pero mas naloka ako sa mga sagot ni Chieffy... Chieffy: "kahit ako lang sa first eleven ang tunay na Pilipino....o may dugong Pinoy".... now chippy nuthuggers try defending him from that. siya lang daw tunay na pilipino siya lang daw may dugong pinoy. siraulo amf. that is an insult to the sacrifices our foreign based players made for the team and our country. as if chippy and araneta can singlehandedly carry the this team as far as it has reached if there was no help from his so called NOT PURE PINOYS. no RACIST DIVISIVE ballhog deserves to be captain much less be in the national team. palami should slap chippy for making such racist divisive comments. di nila dapat pinapayagan magpa interview to ng basta2x they should instruct him to tell them pag may interview siya para masamahan nila para kung di kung anu-ano pinagsasabi ng ballhog na yan. care to post the link from where you copied for us to review?
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Post by locotes on Jul 10, 2011 21:39:43 GMT 8
I hate it when people think just coz both their parents were born in this country they deserve it more wearing the shirt than others. On my book ethnic background is not important. Prove yourself on the field and we will call you an Azkal.
As for Chieffy being the captain, he should not make any statement that would divide or even label players about their ethnicity. If he keeps on doing this he will be doing more harm than good, then I would rather have somebody else to fill that post. Del Rosario or James maybe? Im not sure how this players influence other players behind doors, so let the coach make that decision.
Chieffy: "kahit ako lang sa first eleven ang tunay na Pilipino....o may dugong Pinoy"....
Some people are just ignorant when it comes to this things. You cant blame them. I feel sorry for them instead.
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Post by wenden96 on Jul 10, 2011 21:41:31 GMT 8
bakit ganun...nung binubuo pa lang nila ang azkals way back 2005 even if there winning na ang mga foreign base players are the younghusband brothers and to name a few...walang may nagcocoment...ngayon parang ang daming maling sa football at dinamay pa ang buong ilonggo nation (im talking to booblehead) sorry but you sound racist too..... Now some declare racist to a fellow locals in having some sentiments to what is really happening....however do you think magcomment kayo is not a racist??? siguro maniniwala ako sa comment kung mismo naglalaro kayo.....indi yung pangbarangay kundi competitor hangang palarong pambansa. why i understand chieffy for example....... filipinofootball.blogspot.com/2011/07/u-23-team-needs-help-weiss.html#commentsyou can see the problem if somebody from the province was treated.
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Post by 6studs on Jul 10, 2011 21:42:34 GMT 8
I hate it when people think just coz both their parents were born in this country they deserve it more wearing the shirt than others. On my book ethnic background is not important. Prove yourself on the field and we will call you an Azkal.
As for Chieffy being the captain, he should not make any statement that would divide or even label players about their ethnicity. If he keeps on doing this he will be doing more harm than good, then I would rather have somebody else to fill that post. Del Rosario or James maybe? Im not sure how this players influence other players behind doors, so let the coach make that decision.
if he has some bitterness or has issues being pure pinoy and half pinoys....then all he has to do is speak it out to the management he should know, the management should know, the coach should know BUT THE PUBLIC DOESNT HAVE TO KNOW a message to the Azkal management: hopefully you are following his press releases.in my standard, i may not see it yet as a racist remarks...but others may see it otherwise
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Post by wenden96 on Jul 10, 2011 21:42:55 GMT 8
addition..... bakit pag probinsyano nagcocoment racist....bakit kung taga NCR or foreign base fan ok lang para sa kanila? ?
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Post by cowscrubber on Jul 10, 2011 21:48:00 GMT 8
SABIHIN NYO MUNA NAGAWA NYO SA PINAS BAGO KAYO PUMUKOL NG BATO SA KANYA..Sus, puros dada lang ang alam That is just a stupid argument. All citizens contribute to a country even in small ways like paying the 12% vat when they buy stuff. Of course one can argue about the philosophy of it all, but the fact is that every citizen in a country contributes to a country's status and because of that, every citizen has the right to make "dada". And regarding Chieffy's temporary captaincy... I think that a person can be a captain if he has the capability to play well and bring the best out of everyone on the pitch. But if you do not agree that the person deserves to be captain, take solace in the fact that the only official responsibility a captain has is the pre-match coin toss. But personally, I agree with bnchzt and would rather have Anton Del Rosario or James Younghusband be captain.
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Post by narko on Jul 10, 2011 21:50:50 GMT 8
I hate it when people think just coz both their parents were born in this country they deserve it more wearing the shirt than others. On my book ethnic background is not important. Prove yourself on the field and we will call you an Azkal.
As for Chieffy being the captain, he should not make any statement that would divide or even label players about their ethnicity. If he keeps on doing this he will be doing more harm than good, then I would rather have somebody else to fill that post. Del Rosario or James maybe? Im not sure how this players influence other players behind doors, so let the coach make that decision.
Chieffy: "kahit ako lang sa first eleven ang tunay na Pilipino....o may dugong Pinoy"....
Some people are just ignorant when it comes to this things. You cant blame them. I feel sorry for them instead.
I agree, ethnic background is irrelevant. Our constitution defines who can be Filipino and the percentage of "pinoy blood" you have has nothing to do with it. If we're going down that route, how many of us are really 100% pure blood na walang bahid ng ibang lahi? I have nothing against Chieffy except for making that highly irresponsible statement (the second incident subject to verification). For me, that is very damaging to the team and I hope someone is talking to him about it.
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Post by chicharito on Jul 10, 2011 21:59:01 GMT 8
SABIHIN NYO MUNA NAGAWA NYO SA PINAS BAGO KAYO PUMUKOL NG BATO SA KANYA..Sus, puros dada lang ang alam That is just a stupid argument. All citizens contribute to a country even in small ways like paying the 12% vat when they buy stuff. Of course one can argue about the philosophy of it all, but the fact is that every citizen in a country contributes to a country's status. And every citizen has the right to make "dada". And regarding Chieffy's temporary captaincy... I think that a person can be a captain if he has the capability to play well and bring the best out of everyone on the pitch. But if you do not agree that the person deserves to be captain, take solace in the fact that the only official responsibility a captain has is the pre-match coin toss. But personally, I agree with bnchzt and would rather have Anton Del Rosario or James Younghusband be captain. hehehe..so now im stupid? ay yung comment ko pala..sorry boss/amo/chief/manager, kung akala nyo may pagka-STUPID yung post ko... what i try to point out is: there is nothing racist on what chieffy says on that sports show. hey, come on! KAYO LANG ANG NAGLALAGAY NG KULAY DUN SA SINABI NYA. okay, for the sake of argument. mali nga yung sinabi ni Chieffy but... "BAKIT BA ANG NAKIKITA NYO LANG YUNG MALI NI CHIEFFY? WALA BA SYANG NAGAWANG TAMA SA TEAM?"
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Post by locotes on Jul 10, 2011 22:00:02 GMT 8
I just hope Chieffy reads this thread and realize that a lot of people is disgusted on what he said. I know he contributes a lot to the team, but if he will start this friction between RP-based player and Overseas-based players. I wont have a problem seeing him on the bench or even the bleachers for that matter. And that comes from somebody who's been telling people(non-futbolers)for years that he is one of the best we got.
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Post by locotes on Jul 10, 2011 22:10:34 GMT 8
chicharito
I will explain it to you like your a 5 year old, or I will just ask you a question instead coz it will take a lot of space explaining it.
Tama ba na sabihin mo "kahit ako lang sa first eleven ang tunay na Pilipino....o may dugong Pinoy" while there are 11 of you guys playing for a flag and country? not to mention the bench?
BTW no question on the part na "WALA BA SYANG NAGAWANG TAMA SA TEAM?" marami nga sya nagawa, pero it take one mistake to change how people see you.
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Post by booblehead on Jul 10, 2011 22:17:32 GMT 8
O ano na masasabi nyo? Deserving ba maging captain yan? disappointing from the latest interview but I still believe he can do it....again I believe that what he means is the welfare of the locals......Though i didnt yet see the whole vid.... Pero dude, what is the objective of the team? Objective is to win and reach round 3. If Caligdong is more concerned about the welfare of the local homegrown players how is creating divisiveness going to help them? Im really worried about this as this could affect our world cup campaign. What if a senator decides he wants to grandstand and use this issue (I hope it does not becme that big an issue) and strt doing a witch hunt like what happened in PBA a few years back? We could get banned by FIFA, pare.
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Post by booblehead on Jul 10, 2011 22:25:11 GMT 8
And about our objective, having all locals in the starting 11 is not going help us in our world cup goal. The locals are not properly trained and does not have the needed skills and talent to win games. They cant even beat Cambodia and nearly loat to East Timor back 2004! You want that tem to represent us? Yeah Chris Greatwich and Aly Borromeo were playing but they were ill equipped to be a serious contender sa South East Asian region pa lang ha. Unlike now.
Honestly, I dont think NCR will support such a team.
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Post by narko on Jul 10, 2011 22:25:16 GMT 8
Chicharito, Chieffy has done a lot for the team and has earned his status there with the hard work and dedication he has given to the team. I recognize that and respect it. That will never be taken away from him. However, that does not excuse him for being put to task or being criticized for making highly irresponsible remarks with strong racial undertones that could prove damaging to the team's cohesion and morale.
For Chieffy's sake, I hope this issue gets clarified and rectified. Sayang naman for Chieffy's legacy that when all is said and done, he will be remembered more for this debacle than for all the positive contributions he has made to the Azkals all these years.
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Post by chicharito on Jul 10, 2011 22:26:01 GMT 8
chicharito
I will explain it to you like your a 5 year old, or I will just ask you a question instead coz it will take a lot of space explaining it.
Tama ba na sabihin mo "kahit ako lang sa first eleven ang tunay na Pilipino....o may dugong Pinoy" while there are 11 of you guys playing for a flag and country? not to mention the bench?
BTW no question on the part na "WALA BA SYANG NAGAWANG TAMA SA TEAM?" marami nga sya nagawa, pero it take one mistake to change how people see you. ok sir, mali nga yung comment ni Chieffy. but people here disses Chieffy like his a goat or done nothing for the flag. dun ako nahihighblood hehehe parang ang sarap manapak (joke) FORGIVE HIM..period. lahat naman tayo nagkakamali, wag naman natin sya na ibaon pa sa lupa...digs?
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