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Post by theequaliser on Jul 10, 2011 18:14:26 GMT 8
I would say the most UNSELFISH PLAYERS in the team is James Younghusband and Angel Guirado..both are hard working all over the pitch. For those who watch and pay ATTENTION to the game...specially 2nd half! You would see some ballhog players on the 2nd half.............Those people who dis agree should say they disagree with Coach BECAUSE coach Weiss said it himself!! that there were some selfish players....its even more obvious in the 2nd half. Guys like Guirado and James Younghusband are not only unselfish...they help alot of defending all over the pitch...I can see some PARTICULAR player who are only waiting for the ball!! They just stay upfront waiting for the ball and never pass back wanting to be a super hero??!!AND NEVER HELP AT THE BACK WHEN NEEDED!!.........some people are blind and in denial football bandwagons..........in the 2nd half I could see some frustration on James Younghusband and Guirado when they were open and a player decided to be a superhero at take on 2-3 defenders even though one teammate was open and he was clearly gonna be off target..IT WAS OBVIOUS HE WAS IN AN AWKWARD ANGLE!....hey dont ask me...Ask coach Weiss he said it himself!! AND I AGREE WITH HIM. In saying this I salute the Azkals..they are all getting better and are working hard.....I'm also not PICKING ON PARTICULAR PLAYERS but wanted to make a point that there are some selfish players... You dont agree?...talk to Coach Weiss I'm simply agreeing with what he said Why cant some narrow minded bandwagons get that?..sorry but some people like to Act like know it all when SOME have only acted like a diehard Azkal fan after the Vietnam game?..which they probably just saw on youtube?...or heard on TV Patrol... I WAS in that game i was in Vietnam that month ... Im a player at a local club myself but I certainly WONT act like know it all...because Im happy to say and admit the I dont know it all...but some bandwagon whose probably never actually played the game here seem to act like know it all... All Im saying is let people have different opinions...why Do some know it all here gang on on some when they have other opinions? This is A Football forum right?.... Also people should stop using the world Fil-foreign its insulting....stop it village people.. If someone has a different opinion then people gang up on that...I dont really post much here but have read discussion...If you wanna ban me..then do so...But by doing that then I've just proven my point...that its not a forum but a one sided discussion...Sad... In saying all these Im not here to have personal attacks on anyone...I'm just giving a non-biased honest opinion...Just to get an opposing voice from the other side..PEACE.
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Post by narko on Jul 10, 2011 18:37:21 GMT 8
Okay, if we don't want to label players "ballhog" or selfish, the only other explanation for that is poor decision making by the player. Either way, it's a negative for the player.
For a "ballhog" the reason is glory-hunting at the expense of the team to feed his ego. It doesn't necessarily mean he's a bad player skill-wise, he could actually be really good. Case in point - Christiano Ronaldo, particularly when he started playing for Real Madrid. (Note: I'm a Madridista and I watch all their games whenever I can - he's ballhog with the stats to prove it)
If due to poor decision making, then that means that player lacks maturity in his game and is a cut below in terms of over-all quality and playing ability. This means that player needs to improve a lot more.
Either way we look at it, it is bad for the team. Football is a team sport, hardly any room for individual glory hunters, unless the team is built around that player.
I'm glad this issue has come out and is being addressed, and also being talked about here. The Azkals are making good progress, have made history once again by hurdling the 1st round of WC qualifying. There is no more room for sentimentality, we must keep looking ahead and ensure that the Azkals keep to a high standard. If players need to be benched or dropped due to lack of form, playing below par or can nolonger keep up with the level expected of the Azkals, then so be it and thank you for your service.
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Post by wenden96 on Jul 10, 2011 18:56:56 GMT 8
They all (Ian, Chieffy, Phil, Angel and JYH) have their own shares of "pang-bwaballhog", but the most obvious and ruined Coach's game-plan was Ian. I am purely speculating but taking context from Chieffy's interview, he was a bit protective about the homegrown playing time, specifically Ian. Judging from the reactions of the players (specially JYH), they are really complaining about Ian's eagerness to goal neglecting to pass (since before he scored against Bangladesh). Maybe that's the reason why Weiss chose Nate to come-in first before Araneta on the first leg. agree with you...
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Post by wenden96 on Jul 10, 2011 19:03:42 GMT 8
Im also a bit concerned how the media is hyping up Chieffy Caligdong. Hes not that good to begin with and both of his goals were lucky. He cannot even score a goal in the AFC Challenge Cup where he was most ballhog. Hes only toned down now because of a closed door reprimand by the coach. Its bad that young football aspirants will want to emulate Chieffy. They should emulate work horses like James Younghusband and Angel Guirado. Look up to them, not at Chieffy. Lets see him try to get one past the keeper against Kuwait. And if he really thinks hes good, why doesnt he go to Europe and try out with 3rd division teams. sorry brod...you commented that interview of chiefy is racist and you sound racist to your fellowmen and how come that chiefy is ballhog, what about the other player like guirado he force his attack in 1st leg, PYH solo attacks (though seldomly), i dont understand why you trying to put the guy down.....ah alam ko na basta stae side magaling..... i dont understand some of the guys here.........again as i said on the other discussion please explain.......
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Post by booblehead on Jul 10, 2011 19:05:37 GMT 8
The equaliser, good point buddy! You hit the proverbial nail on the head!
No why did Coch Weiss reprimand Araneta openly? Because he reprimands him all the time one on one but nothing seems to work he will do his selfish acts again and again. That is why he spilt it in front of the media. Couldnt hide his frustrations any longer.
Did you know that Chieffy was reprimanded by Weiss after the first leg? That was why we saw a marked improvement in his game. He was passing the ball and not forcing the issue. Watch Caligdong in their tune up match in Germany against Ingolstadt, theres a video of it in youtube.
Watch how easily he gets disposessed after challenging two players head on! Watch how long it takes him to get back nto position after a botched attempt leaving the next man behind him fully exosed thanks to Captain Chieffy.
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Post by wenden96 on Jul 10, 2011 19:19:15 GMT 8
though if we are speaking of araneta...tsk3 sayang talaga yung mga decision nya.....na pinilit nya umatake...sayang.....
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Post by bluefeather80 on Jul 10, 2011 20:24:27 GMT 8
rom post in another forum:
kaloka itong si chino trinidad sa kanyang show na GAME....nanood ako kanina...ininterview niya with Cristine Jacob si Chieffy Caligdong....ang dami niyang salita...hehehe...pero mas naloka ako sa mga sagot ni Chieffy...
Chieffy: "kahit ako lang sa first eleven ang tunay na Pilipino....o may dugong Pinoy"....
now chippy nuthuggers try defending him from that. siya lang daw tunay na pilipino siya lang daw may dugong pinoy. siraulo amf. that is an insult to the sacrifices our foreign based players made for the team and our country. as if chippy and araneta can singlehandedly carry the this team as far as it has reached if there was no help from his so called NOT PURE PINOYS. no RACIST DIVISIVE ballhog deserves to be captain much less be in the national team.
palami should slap chippy for making such racist divisive comments. di nila dapat pinapayagan magpa interview to ng basta2x they should instruct him to tell them pag may interview siya para masamahan nila para kung di kung anu-ano pinagsasabi ng ballhog na yan.
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Post by fadzki on Jul 10, 2011 20:30:43 GMT 8
All the success has gotten the best of him... someone should tell chieffy if it wasn't for the Fil-fors our football would still be whipping boys of SEA...
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Post by bluefeather80 on Jul 10, 2011 20:47:43 GMT 8
ganito lang yan the ballhogness or eagerness to score by chippy and ara mina are all due to the fact of their intense desire to prove that they are still worthy of being in team and more than that to be in the starting 11. now why did this intense desire to prove themselves suddenly arise? that's because they are threatened by the new players.and why are they threatened? because we know for a fact that these foreign based pinoy players are better than them and not even they can't deny that fact.so from the growing insecurities ang naisip lang nilang paraan to prove themselves is to score even if it will cost the team.di nila naisip na that is not the only way to prove themselves like showing good teamwork.since they are already feeling pressure from being relegated to the bench if they don't perform well, wherein one player already proved he really deserves to be in the bench.add outside pressure from people who has observed their ballhogness out of concern that they can't make those mistakes against strong teams because it will cost them. so in frustration one player vents out his frustration on the foreign based players na wala naman silang ginawa.it's the ballhog themselves digging their own graves much much deeper. mind you he isn't blaming the half-pinoys in the interviews, as we can see in his interviews he just keeps repeating the point that he's pure pinoy and the others are not.naghahanap ng kakampi by making such divisive comments. when what he really means is only pure pinoys deserve to be in the national team. kaya kung ganyan ang mentality mo chippy tumakbo ka pagkapresidente then amend the god damn constitution to change the definition of pinoy to that definition which suits your racists views!!!
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Post by wenden96 on Jul 10, 2011 20:48:10 GMT 8
All the success has gotten the best of him... someone should tell chieffy if it wasn't for the Fil-fors our football would still be whipping boys of SEA... thanks for foreign base fil, but the question still looms do we really need to use this program? or do we need to improve the training, youth development and NT selection? ...this is what I understand to what caligdong sentiments...and some of it maybe an ego that he can score amidst of talented foreign base fil.
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Post by theequaliser on Jul 10, 2011 20:49:59 GMT 8
^^ oo I saw that...such an ungrateful thing to say......If his so confident that only Phil based players so good....How can he justify that in the past results in the last 10 yrs...OR MORE.....and His going to captain our side on game I againts Kuwait?..... I would rather give the captaincy to Del Rosario or James Younghusband.
Kala mo kung magsalita sya wala natulong foreign based players?..Thats ignorant..............kahit sino pa mag defend sa kanya..you loose...you know why???..because of the fact that none of you can justify MOST the past result a few years back....
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Post by bluefeather80 on Jul 10, 2011 20:59:13 GMT 8
i'm glad the half-pinoys are being silent with this issue.kasi ayaw nila palakihin ang gulo. eh paano yan if napuno na ang mga yan and phil speaks to the media saying if some of the players think that we half pinoys don't deserve to be in the team then why don't they tell it straight to our face so we right here and now we'll leave this team and country for good.it seems they don't appreciate the fact that we have sacrificed so much to play for pilipinas.being away from our home family and loved ones.they ignored all those just because for them we just aren't pinoy.
pag di na makagpigil mga yan, malaking gulo to.
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Post by booblehead on Jul 10, 2011 21:03:17 GMT 8
Lets forget our world cup dream if its only gonna come to this. Or better yet... why doesnt Barotac Nuevo appeal to the UN to make them a country so they can form their own football team, play in their own qualifiers made up of 100% pure blooded no mix Barotacnon Natives. Lets see if they get past the PHILIPPINES! I really dont like Ilonggos. Most Ilonggo I know are full of it.
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Post by pendong on Jul 10, 2011 21:10:34 GMT 8
I didn't expect that from Chieffy...Very very disappointed! Such a poorly thought and racist statement. Now, I'm convinced he doesn't deserve to have that captain's armband.
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Post by theequaliser on Jul 10, 2011 21:10:54 GMT 8
to think that the team has a Co Captain with such views?...Not Excusable..but na lang si Aly Borromeo ang Actual Team Captain. He holds and presents himself well on and off the pitch and even with the media.
Ok I will make my first BOLD statement here purely on my own personal opinion,........ start Misagh Bahadoran on game one againts Kuwait to Take Caligdongs spot
Put Araneta on the bench WHY?! because he's selfish and He LACKS KILLER INSTINCT againts harder opponents. Unlike JYB PYH and Guirado..they have killer instinct when they go for goal...Unless the opponent is so weak like Timor Leste.....
Thats the word for the striker and some midfielders KILLER INSTINCT. Those others I mentioned have that.
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