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Post by dan17808 on Sept 7, 2011 0:43:50 GMT 8
thanks SMO! another stupid question: Does the Foreign themed FC really have the Foreign Players from which their FC named after? ;D I agree to both of you (cjeagle) it should PHL city/ town/ province names instead... similar to MBA.
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Post by locotes on Sept 7, 2011 6:50:35 GMT 8
Been waiting for a domestic league for years, so team name is the last of my worries. But for the sake of argument let me say this.
For example Nomads FC or Pasargad, I assume this teams been around before UFL started, right?. Why would you want to change their name to Makati FC or MAnila FC so their team would sound Filipino? I dont see the point. Its about a existing team joining a league. This is not basketball where you get to name the teams with their monickers. This clubs are existing clubs. If you want teams that sound like Makati FC, Real Laguna or Bicol United? Go ask people from Laguna,Bicol and Makati to create a team and join the league. Dont ask an existing club to change their name.
Why are you so worried about the team names anyway?
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Post by cjeagle on Sept 7, 2011 11:53:45 GMT 8
locotes,
I am not referring to the teams who have a tradition of using foreign players in their team and correspondingly name their teams from their countries of origin. And of course, you have to respect tradition and Nomads FC which has been around since 1914, is a part of Philippine football history and deserves recognition for keeping the game alive for so long in the country. But you also can't have a league, and I am referring not to the upcoming UFL Cup but the league proper itself, with half the teams named after foreign countries. Imagine what kind of image that projects to the public.
All I am saying is that those teams with strong regional representation and even owners from that area, should be encouraged to have their provinces or city's name on the team, as this will encourage fans of those areas to support the team and engender rivalries. Having football themed names like Real Manila, Cebu United or Forza Bacolod will also add an element of authenticity to the team especially for the fans who follow professional football leagues in Europe and elsewhere.
As for the importance of names, did you know that MLS had a policy on how to name their teams when they first started. It is all about marketing and selling the game of football/soccer to the public since the US like the Philippines(PBA) already had established sports and leagues(NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL) to deal and compete with. Football is not just about playing games, it is also a business so if you want your league to survive and prosper, it is important that you make the right marketing decisions. In marketing parlance, naming a product or team is called branding and picking the right brand or name for your product is important as it can make or break a business. That is why we are lucky we have a team manager for the Azkals who is also a successful businessman by trade, who is so focused in not only competing but also in marketing the national team to the public.
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Post by locotes on Sept 7, 2011 15:18:04 GMT 8
I am referring not to the upcoming UFL Cup but the league proper itself, with half the teams named after foreign countries. Imagine what kind of image that projects to the public.
I have no problem if half the team name sounding foreign. i dont see the importance of the name. If we get to name the teams using City or region, the next argument will be, "all players playing for that team should be born on that city or region". Believe me, we also have that argument during the MBA years. Thats why team name is not that important for me...
All I am saying is that those teams with strong regional representation and even owners from that area, should be encouraged to have their provinces or city's name on the team, as this will encourage fans of those areas to support the team and engender rivalries.
I agree with this part, but its not feasible at the moment, so lets forget about this idea for now. Lets see what happens after 2-3seasons.
As for the importance of names, did you know that MLS had a policy on how to name their teams when they first started. It is all about marketing and selling the game of football/soccer to the public since the US like the Philippines(PBA) already had established sports and leagues(NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL) to deal and compete with
obviously you have a very American POV on this, which I dont really share. The statement above is to American and to basketball for me.
BTW I love watching MLS and I support the Union's. There are times where I prefer to watch an MLS game than an EPL or LaLIGA game, thats how i love that league.
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Post by cjeagle on Sept 7, 2011 16:41:01 GMT 8
It is not really an American POV. It was based on a marketing and business perspective. But I respect your view and we can agree to disagree on that point.
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Post by Striker_Manager_and_Owner on Sept 7, 2011 17:25:48 GMT 8
Been waiting for a domestic league for years, so team name is the last of my worries. But for the sake of argument let me say this.
For example Nomads FC or Pasargad, I assume this teams been around before UFL started, right?. Why would you want to change their name to Makati FC or MAnila FC so their team would sound Filipino? I dont see the point. Its about a existing team joining a league. This is not basketball where you get to name the teams with their monickers. This clubs are existing clubs. If you want teams that sound like Makati FC, Real Laguna or Bicol United? Go ask people from Laguna,Bicol and Makati to create a team and join the league. Dont ask an existing club to change their name.
Why are you so worried about the team names anyway? I am not worried about team names, but I am worried that casual fans might not get into the football scene because they cannot relate. Remember, you are on a football forum so I'm assuming you are a football enthusiast - which means you are not a casual fan. Casual fans are a different animal - you need them so that you can get a profit. Ask any professional team - whether it may be baseball, basketball, football - the people who really invigorate the economy of the sport is the casual fan. Lose them, and you will lose the league. I also did not say that Laguna FC or Manila FC should field players from that region only. Heck, Rooney is not from Manchester and who does he play for? Cristiano Ronaldo is from Portugal but he plays for a Spanish Club - I dont have any problem with that, the league and its teams should remain open to any professional. Naming teams after provinces and cities doesnt mean you need players from that region only. Thats crap mentality and I didn't imply that in my post. And finally LOOK at all the successful leagues bro, EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, etc - all the better teams have names of cities/provinces. Heck, even the J-League uses cities in their team names. Isn't it common sense to use something that has worked before? PS You mention Nomads and Pasargad have existed before the UFL started right? Why wasn't there a successful league before the UFL? If they were in a successful league, I wouldn't change a thing, but because we need everything we can get - be that marketing, stadiums, personnel, players - everything must be looked at for improvement and names of teams are a marketing tool. Names like Hewlett-Packard are marketing tools - can you imagine what the company would be like if it was named Packard-Hewlett? They even have a topic in a marketing course in college where all you talk about is how you are going to present your product and what the product name is. Its about marketing and not really about football per se. But you need marketing so that players can be paid and games can be played so that people can watch.
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Post by Striker_Manager_and_Owner on Sept 7, 2011 17:40:32 GMT 8
thanks SMO! another stupid question: Does the Foreign themed FC really have the Foreign Players from which their FC named after? ;D I agree to both of you (cjeagle) it should PHL city/ town/ province names instead... similar to MBA. From the highlights that i saw, most of them do have players from their country like the Japanese (Japan FC). Its an open league, if you are good enough it doesnt matter where you come from. They will hire you if you are good enough for their team.
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Post by cjeagle on Sept 8, 2011 1:13:44 GMT 8
www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/younghusbands-hartmanns-join-ufls-loyola-meralco-sparksPhilippine national men’s football team stalwarts James and Phil Younghusband are finally joining the nation’s premiere football league. The famous pair of Azkals are set to join the United Football League first division side Loyola Meralco Sparks FC for the upcoming 2011-12 season. The club is in the midst of a build-up which also saw them signing up another set of Filipino-British footballing brothers: Darren, Mark, and Matthew Hartmann. Meralco president and MVP Sports Foundation chairman Manuel V. Pangilinan couldn’t help but express his excitement over the entry of the Younghusbands to the Loyola Meralco fold. “Unang-una, they’re excellent football players,” said Pangilinan. “Pangalawa, may face value yung dalawa, they’re well-known personalities, and in a way, you need someone like them to promote the sport.” The new players are expected to raise the team’s overall talent level and competitiveness to become one of the top UFL sides. The squad, formerly known as the Loyola Agila FC, finished fifth in the league last season; prior to that, the team consistently placed in the top four of the standings. But MVP Sports Foundation president and Meralco executive Al Panlilio wants the Sparks to soar higher. “Meralco is used to winning championships, and with the Younghusbands and the Hartmanns and the other Loyola Meralco players, we want to win the UFL championship this season,” he said. Phil and James are longtime members of the Azkals, while Mark and Matthew are part of the Under-23 national team set to compete in the Southeast Asian Games this year. Darren was also a former member of the senior national team in the past. Mark and Darren, who were late additions to the Loyola Agila FC last season, were also part of the UFL All-Star side that shocked the Azkals, 3-2, in an exhibition match earlier this year. The UFL is the premier competition for football clubs in the country. The first division will have 10 clubs competing in the coming season, which begins October 8. InterAKTV is part of InterAksyon.com, the online news portal of TV5, which is chaired by Pangilinan.
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Post by cypher210 on Sept 8, 2011 1:18:00 GMT 8
the UFL arms race is getting more interesting.
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Post by Wiking on Sept 8, 2011 3:01:09 GMT 8
the UFL arms race is getting more interesting. Ain't it great...
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Post by cjeagle on Sept 8, 2011 4:17:58 GMT 8
loyola also might be fielding a reserve team to compete in the UFL Cup possibly for a spot in the 2nd division. MVP is certainly pulling all the stops to make sure he has a competitive and deep team.
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Post by locotes on Sept 8, 2011 5:44:16 GMT 8
Nice to read what Striker_Manager_and_Owner & cjeagle view on this(team names) i respect both views.
What Im a little worried about team names is when people/media starts calling the team using their sponsors name, Like Meralco Sparks or the Smartmatics. I dont like that. We can stop them from doing that, but us fans we should refrain from even mentioning the sponsors/companies name every time we we talk about the team. Just call them "LOYOLA" or KAYA fc.
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Post by locotes on Sept 8, 2011 5:56:37 GMT 8
loyola also might be fielding a reserve team to compete in the UFL Cup possibly for a spot in the 2nd division. MVP is certainly pulling all the stops to make sure he has a competitive and deep team. Im confused on this part. Are u telling us that LOYALA CaN FIELd 2 TEaMs? 1 for 1st div and the other for 2nd div?
Are they both called LOYOLA FC? What happens if the other one get promoted or relegated? That will be 2 Loyola teams in 1 division? Can they transfer players from one team to the other?
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Post by cjeagle on Sept 8, 2011 6:20:02 GMT 8
Well in various articles, I was reading that one of the teams in the UFL cup is named Loyola 2. I just presumed that this would be the reserve team of the Loyola team in Division 1. MVP certainly could afford it. I don't really know what regulations in the UFL cover this particular example to be honest. I presume that they will be aiming for Division II of the UFL I suppose unless of course they make the semifinals of the UFL Cup and beat Pasargad and Stallions for the last 2 spots in Division I which is now expanding to 10 teams.
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Post by cypher210 on Sept 8, 2011 7:32:03 GMT 8
N What Im a little worried about team names is when people/media starts calling the team using their sponsors name, Like Meralco Sparks or the Smartmatics. I dont like that. We can stop them from doing that, but us fans we should refrain from even mentioning the sponsors/companies name every time we we talk about the team. Just call them "LOYOLA" or KAYA fc. i dont think theres anything wrong with that. Meralco is their sponsor so they have the right to advertise. besides the name loyola is still part of their club name.
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