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Post by veryfatchocobo on Jan 23, 2014 2:32:26 GMT 8
does Dooley capable of handling a senior team? we have to take note that he doesn't have a wide background and experience as a coach but he has a good credentials as a player. remember how we complained about Weiss' lack of experience of handling a senior team and it showed how he was very slow adjusting against a tactical opposing coach. now can we gamble on Dooley? i think Palami still has some good options on his list Couldnt have said it any better!!! Its funny how people want Dooley and yet critize Weiss for not having experience with senior team. PFF dropped the ball on this. I cant believe it is taking them this long to replace Weiss. No succession planning what so ever. ? The difference between them is that Dooley's played at the highest level of football. Weiss has obviously managed, but he's never even touched the highest level of play. Players are not servants to their managers. They have their own way they of seeing and reading the game. If we're looking at credentials based on experience, we shouldn't just look at experience only on how many years they've managed but also consider how much they've actually experienced the highest level of play firsthand. Dooley wins by a decent margin to Avramovic. Weiss is a minnow compared to them. Avramovic has managed Thailand, a football crazy country. Dooley on the other hand, was a staffer in a country where soccer is a "sissy sport," much like how most Pinoys see football at the moment. And the US is playing amazingly right now! In terms of profile and history of the game, he'd be a better choice than Avramovic. However, we do know that Avramovic has his teams play ok football with Singapore and with decent results too. As opposed to Dooley, we don't know if he'll be a sham like Weiss. However, we should remember that playstyle and football culture development is more important right now than just pure results, and I feel Dooley has the resume for it. Obviously though, he has to bring it up rather than us question him about it.
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Post by cjeagle on Jan 23, 2014 2:47:14 GMT 8
Dooley did manage FC Saarbrucken in Germany in 2002-03 and served as an assistant coach to Klinsman on the US team, so he already has more experience at the national and pro level as coach than Weiss did before joining the Azkals. He has also been involved in grassroots development in the US, training kids for a pro or college career and has had some good reviews in that capacity. Here is a comment made by one of the parents I inquired from in California, whose kids trained under him:
"Thomas Dooley started a club team n Orange County, CA back in 2004. His concept was to work with 14-18 year olds and help prepare them to play in Europe and sell them to clubs after they were out of high school. He ran into a number of difficulties with the youth soccer systems that were already in place. He had to enter his teams into the local leagues at a lower level than would be competitive for the type of player he was looking to attract. Most of the better players wanted to compete at the highest levels (premier) rather than silver and Dooley's teams as "new" teams had to work their way up. He also had to take players from already established clubs (Strikers, Pateadores, Surf) that these players had already been playing for since they were little. Dooley wanted to train the players year round 5 days a week and have them not play high school ball. This was also difficult to attract players to his club because most wanted the accolades of their peers from their high schools. Thomas' first club did fairly well. He took them on a tour of Germany after their Junior year. The next summer after they graduated two of the players were invited back by some clubs for tryouts for their Jugend teams. Both players decided to take college scholarships instead. A number of other players went on to play in college as well. The club disbanded after about 6 years. I believe Thomas was working as a director of coaching or technical director for one of the OC clubs after that. More recently, when Jurgen took over as USMNT manager he had Thomas on his staff as an assistant coach.
My son played for Dooley with the OC Kings and I believe he was the best most technically proficient coach he ever played for in all of his youth soccer through college days. He had played at the highest levels in the NCSL in the DC area and Coast soccer league in Southern Cal. He was also involved with ODP/DDP, futsal and many camps. Dooley was the best teacher of the game. Thomas was a little shocked at how tactically deficient our 14 year olds were compared to European boys of the same age. He had to do more teaching on that level than he expected. He really did prepare the boys for the next level. It just turned out to be college rather than European Pro Leagues."
As you can see above, he is a good teacher of the game which would benefit our local and younger players. He was also a very solid defender(even better than Rob Gier who is considered a good candidate for the job by Olivares) during his pro and international career which probably gives him an edge over Weiss tactically and from what I remember reading about him when he served as captain of the US team, was that he was a good leader with a good soccer mind. Being German himself, he would also work well with the German technical director that the DFB sent to the PFF so that both of them would be working on the same page.
Personally, I would prefer Avramovic myself because he is a proven commodity and winner as coach everywhere he has been, but Dooley as a player has been exposed to an even higher level play at the international and pro level than even Avramovic ever did. They all have to start somewhere, including Avramovic, and certainly there is a risk when you take on someone like that but he certainly has the credentials to give you some confidence.
Finally Dooley has the connections in the USSF as well as Germany, that will allow the Philippine teams(mens, women and youth) to possibly obtain friendlies if they plan to visit there again.
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Post by butchok on Jan 23, 2014 4:15:09 GMT 8
I agree that Avramovic is the best guy for the job. . .well, profiles of other candidates are quite impressive but most of them are not tested in Asian level. . . I'm sure the other candidates if get selected will be shock by the state of football in Philippines, lack of grassroot programs, dilapidated and scarce football picthes, too much policticking, etc.,etc. At least with Avramovic he knows the situation and I believe he can adopt easily given the limitations. . .
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Post by xyz1000 on Jan 23, 2014 9:05:00 GMT 8
So far we only know Avramovic and Dooley.
Avramovic is a known quantity. A safe choice. We know he can coach winning teams from what he has done with Singapore. We know he can bring the best out of players -- it's difficult for me to believe that Singapore has better players compared to Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, or even the Philippines, and yet they win the Suzuki Cup. We know his expertise in the Asean region. For all of these reasons Avramovic would be a very good, perhaps even excellent choice.
Dooley has a higher profile. Bundesliga. UEFA Cup. World Cup. Associations with the LA Galaxy and the US Nats. You can find lots about him on the web. There's a little bit of a gamble in going with Dooley because this would be his highest profile job and he has no experience in the Asean region. I watched several videos of him being interviewed when I found out he was in the running, and he is articulate, intelligent, and commands respect and attention when he speaks, all good attributes. He comes off as able to deal with the media and motivate people. The fact that he started a youth club and academy and founded the US soccer tennis organization indicates he can deal with startup type ventures, a big, big plus. After all, there's still a little bit of that startup scenario with the Azkals. Dooley would be a fine choice, although with a bit of a gamble with potential large upside.
Either one will definitely do much, much better than the previous coach, and there's little chance I see either of them doing damage.
I don't know who the other candidates are, so it's impossible to say who the best candidate is. But I like these two and hope others in the running are similar. I would hate to see a gamble with a relatively unknown coach, like what was done in 2010 with a young English coach. We're past that now.
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Post by kikomatsing on Jan 23, 2014 15:20:51 GMT 8
Player who played top notch football can become a good coaach too, Seedorf just retired from playing and now coaching AC Milan, this players have alredy aquired lots of coaching techniques from coaches they have had during their playing years, so you can safely say they can do the coaching job especially if they are leaders on the pitch during their playing years
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Post by leoisiah on Jan 23, 2014 16:15:07 GMT 8
I want this guy to be our coach
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Post by Jeki on Jan 23, 2014 19:23:57 GMT 8
^That would be great!!.. Another media exposure for the azkals. LOL
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Post by kelvin92 on Jan 23, 2014 20:25:56 GMT 8
As a neutral fan I think if the PFF signed Thomas Dooley it would be risky. he may have a good playing career but having a strong playing career doesn't always mean you will have a great career as a coach as his football cv shows he lacks coaching at a professional level consistently. and seeing that in his last full time coaching job at FC Saarbrucken was over a decade ago shows that. I've been seeing comments about coach weiss saying (he wasn't a player as a pro level he doesn't conect with the players cause of that etc.) but weiss had a decade of pro coaching before becoming head coach of the azkals surely that would not have been a problem. with Dooley been a good player but a inexperinced coach I can see the azkals not improving but then again not declining I hope..
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Post by boybato on Jan 24, 2014 0:15:41 GMT 8
Dooley did manage FC Saarbrucken in Germany in 2002-03 and served as an assistant coach to Klinsman on the US team, so he already has more experience at the national and pro level as coach than Weiss did before joining the Azkals. He has also been involved in grassroots development in the US, training kids for a pro or college career and has had some good reviews in that capacity. Here is a comment made by one of the parents I inquired from in California, whose kids trained under him: "Thomas Dooley started a club team n Orange County, CA back in 2004. His concept was to work with 14-18 year olds and help prepare them to play in Europe and sell them to clubs after they were out of high school. He ran into a number of difficulties with the youth soccer systems that were already in place. He had to enter his teams into the local leagues at a lower level than would be competitive for the type of player he was looking to attract. Most of the better players wanted to compete at the highest levels (premier) rather than silver and Dooley's teams as "new" teams had to work their way up. He also had to take players from already established clubs (Strikers, Pateadores, Surf) that these players had already been playing for since they were little. Dooley wanted to train the players year round 5 days a week and have them not play high school ball. This was also difficult to attract players to his club because most wanted the accolades of their peers from their high schools. Thomas' first club did fairly well. He took them on a tour of Germany after their Junior year. The next summer after they graduated two of the players were invited back by some clubs for tryouts for their Jugend teams. Both players decided to take college scholarships instead. A number of other players went on to play in college as well. The club disbanded after about 6 years. I believe Thomas was working as a director of coaching or technical director for one of the OC clubs after that. More recently, when Jurgen took over as USMNT manager he had Thomas on his staff as an assistant coach. My son played for Dooley with the OC Kings and I believe he was the best most technically proficient coach he ever played for in all of his youth soccer through college days. He had played at the highest levels in the NCSL in the DC area and Coast soccer league in Southern Cal. He was also involved with ODP/DDP, futsal and many camps. Dooley was the best teacher of the game. Thomas was a little shocked at how tactically deficient our 14 year olds were compared to European boys of the same age. He had to do more teaching on that level than he expected. He really did prepare the boys for the next level. It just turned out to be college rather than European Pro Leagues." As you can see above, he is a good teacher of the game which would benefit our local and younger players. He was also a very solid defender(even better than Rob Gier who is considered a good candidate for the job by Olivares) during his pro and international career which probably gives him an edge over Weiss tactically and from what I remember reading about him when he served as captain of the US team, was that he was a good leader with a good soccer mind. Being German himself, he would also work well with the German technical director that the DFB sent to the PFF so that both of them would be working on the same page. Personally, I would prefer Avramovic myself because he is a proven commodity and winner as coach everywhere he has been, but Dooley as a player has been exposed to an even higher level play at the international and pro level than even Avramovic ever did. They all have to start somewhere, including Avramovic, and certainly there is a risk when you take on someone like that but he certainly has the credentials to give you some confidence. Finally Dooley has the connections in the USSF as well as Germany, that will allow the Philippine teams(mens, women and youth) to possibly obtain friendlies if they plan to visit there again. He would be the perfect coach for the under 17 team then. Community clubs and National Teams are two completely different beast. Wiess has the same credential (maybe even better) when he took over the coaching job than Dooley has right now.
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Post by butchok on Jan 24, 2014 7:28:21 GMT 8
I really feel awkward by most of people here in this forum prefer the term "coach". . .I grew up in a culture where we call the man in-charge "manager". Here in UK or Europe the general usage of "manager" in Club and International competitions is prevalent. . .And I believe whoever to be selected by PFF prefers to be called "manager" rather than "coach". . . because "coach" here is like just an assistant to manager. It's like coach Jimmy Lumsden who is an assistant to manager David Moyes of Manchester United. . .
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Post by cheeze on Jan 24, 2014 8:13:04 GMT 8
I really feel awkward by most of people here in this forum prefer the term "coach". . .I grew up in a culture where we call the man in-charge "manager". Here in UK or Europe the general usage of "manager" in Club and International competitions is prevalent. . .And I believe whoever to be selected by PFF prefers to be called "manager" rather than "coach". . . because "coach" here is like just an assistant to manager. It's like coach Jimmy Lumsden who is an assistant to manager David Moyes of Manchester United. . . True, but I do find it interesting how the current Fulham "manager" Rene Meulensteen is usually called by the media as "Head Coach."
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Post by cjeagle on Jan 24, 2014 10:30:33 GMT 8
I really feel awkward by most of people here in this forum prefer the term "coach". . .I grew up in a culture where we call the man in-charge "manager". Here in UK or Europe the general usage of "manager" in Club and International competitions is prevalent. . .And I believe whoever to be selected by PFF prefers to be called "manager" rather than "coach". . . because "coach" here is like just an assistant to manager. It's like coach Jimmy Lumsden who is an assistant to manager David Moyes of Manchester United. . . Manager is the typical term used in Europe because they follow the English way of naming personnel in football, but here in the US and in the Philippines where they adopted nomenclature used in most sports including basketball, volleyball, etc., they prefer using the term coach for the individual handling the players while the manager is the term they use for the person making the decision of hiring the personnel including the coaches, players, fitness personnel, doctors, etc. Be glad they don't call the game soccer over in the Philippines. Otherwise you would be even more confused.
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Post by jonny on Jan 24, 2014 14:49:40 GMT 8
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Post by 6studs on Jan 24, 2014 17:40:24 GMT 8
I really feel awkward by most of people here in this forum prefer the term "coach". . .I grew up in a culture where we call the man in-charge "manager". Here in UK or Europe the general usage of "manager" in Club and International competitions is prevalent. . .And I believe whoever to be selected by PFF prefers to be called "manager" rather than "coach". . . because "coach" here is like just an assistant to manager. It's like coach Jimmy Lumsden who is an assistant to manager David Moyes of Manchester United. . . ...when in rome
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Post by pinoyfutbolinsider on Jan 24, 2014 17:48:05 GMT 8
raddy is only a front runner because of his familiarity in asian/asean football , that's all . but believe me , the other 4 has impressive resume , PFF was closing two , but they need to interview other coaches ,
side note , PFF is bringing a "COACH" not a football manager , a coach that will bring a system to the team . then the manager will manage the team , shield from media and other factors .
Another side note , one of the coaches that is being considered for a job is former coach of a "youth team" and has strong grassroots fundamentals (this means more grassroots talents being called up to the national team . if he's hired)
by the why the coaching job is down to 4 , but outsiders are also being considered . !
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