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Post by Caz on Jan 5, 2012 16:08:57 GMT 8
True, but Dan Palami has trademarked the "Azkals" brand in reference to the football team and its associated merchandise and events. The old forums didn't invent the word "Azkals", agreed, but started the association of the moniker to the Philippine National Football Team prior to the official trademarking. No one can own words like "Bulls", "Giants", "Yankees", or "Wanderers", but trademarking them, making them brands for their respective franchises is legal. That's just my opinion though. Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a lawyer!
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Post by cypher210 on Jan 5, 2012 23:35:35 GMT 8
i was just saying u know cuz i feel the bitterness from this thread about the use of the monicker "azkal" like its supposed to be used only by the national team now that the word has been recently connotated to the idea of Philippine football. ;] lol
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Post by Caz on Jan 6, 2012 8:59:50 GMT 8
Cypher, well yeah I'm a bit bitter. But life goes on. You bring up an interesting point though. Does the "Azkals" moniker now apply to all of Philippine Men's Football? As in every ball-kickin' Pinoy or Philippine league player? That's an interesting thought.
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Post by buddha on Jan 6, 2012 10:33:22 GMT 8
I do have a lot of emotional investment in that name.
I've stood at a stadium in some foreign country and watched the national team get humiliated. Each humiliating defeat I wore like a badge of honor. We were the whipping boys, the laughing stock of southeast asian football and I embraced that. Then came the football forums and the attempt at giving a name to this team... a name that would make this team "ours." I'm not here to ride the crest. I've been here during our darkest moments.
So yes, I do have a lot of emotion invested in that name. Do I, and the rest of the old-timers, claim ownership of that name? Of course we don't.
All we ask is that it is a name that isn't used flippantly.
----- How do we expect to educate the masses on football when we continue to "dumb it down" for them which happens when we use "azkals" to refer to anything football.
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Post by cypher210 on Jan 6, 2012 11:02:47 GMT 8
i think the word azkals definitely symbolizes Philippine football as a whole now, NT or club etc. things change u know. the connotation of the word happens to be one of them. old timers just need to move on eventhough its tough to swallow.
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Post by buddha on Jan 6, 2012 12:15:30 GMT 8
You mean say when I hear the word "Azkals" I'm supposed, nay, expected to think of Philippine football AS A WHOLE?
I can use, interchangeably, Kaya FC and Azkals. May I say "Azkals" even when I am actually referring to the Baranggay Kilangi Elementary School soccer team? This is liberating!
And since I am a football player that qualifies me to be referred to as an Azkal too! I am an Azkal... we're all Azkals!
This is brilliant! ...unless you're just pulling my leg and it might turn out later that you were just being sarcastic. I would be disappointed.
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Post by cypher210 on Jan 6, 2012 12:33:29 GMT 8
You mean say when I hear the word "Azkals" I'm supposed, nay, expected to think of Philippine football AS A WHOLE? I can use, interchangeably, Kaya FC and Azkals. May I say "Azkals" even when I am actually referring to the Baranggay Kilangi Elementary School soccer team? This is liberating! And since I am a football player that qualifies me to be referred to as an Azkal too! I am an Azkal... we're all Azkals! This is brilliant! ...unless you're just pulling my leg and it might turn out later that you were just being sarcastic. I would be disappointed. calm your horses bro.. what i meant was the word azkal is now connotated as philippine football. the national team aka azkals represent philippine football as a whole. but that doesnt mean u can call the elementary school fc azkals... well unless they have the same monicker. lol when u say Les bleus. you think of french football like ligue 1 and 2 but not particularly PSG or Marseille. dont be so close-minded. not everyone in the philippines know football like you do so they associated the word azkals with philippine football as a whole.
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Post by buddha on Jan 6, 2012 13:03:13 GMT 8
cypher210: First off, I'm glad this topic has be brought out as I think it needs to be addressed. Thanks, cypher. --- But when i say Les Bleus i think of the French national team. And when i say Three Lions i think of the English team. See here's the problem: WHERE do we draw the line and WHO draws the line? To improve the understanding of the average fan we've got to educate them. They WILL learn. Fans are smart. But if we keep "dumbing down" football thinking the average fan isn't ready for "heavy" football stuff we are actually taking a step backward. And so I rest my case.
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Post by cypher210 on Jan 6, 2012 13:14:22 GMT 8
do u know what connotation means? i keep repeating that word over and over and over again. it means secondary meaning but not necessarily the literal meaning. with an average filipino not knowing much about football, they will use that word to associate to anything that is related to philippine football like the UFL and such because some of the national team members play in the UFL.
so whos drawing the line? you are... anyone can interpret the word azkal however they want. with the majority of the people in the philippines still associating azkals with anything philippine football.. youll be disappointed for awhile. so just get over it. ;]
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Post by buddha on Jan 6, 2012 14:21:06 GMT 8
*sigh*
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Post by locotes on Jan 6, 2012 17:11:44 GMT 8
nobody owns the word azkals. noone can copyright a word. i dont think dan palami can put a copyright over the word azkals either. A copyright is the right over an original work. i dont think the people in the forum invented the word azkals. the word azkals is a common word used. but dan palami can put a trademark on logos with the azkals emblem. my point is that anyone can use the word azkals as a monicker even if its used as an attention grabber since its a common word but there would be problems if they use copyrighted materials such as emblems.
I may find a loophole on this statement. I think people in the forum can claim we made/invented the word "AZKALS". Coz the common original word is actually "askal" right? .
cypher210 I dont find Azkals dorky, it AZkals ALYANSA what I find dorky, to much na. ;D
@runningrooster I start calling them the National Team more. Even I was part of that small group who pushed for Azkals back in the days.
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Post by feindouno on Jan 6, 2012 19:25:37 GMT 8
We looked for a national team monicker/nickname before to symbolize what made our team unique and special. We certainly didn't mean it to be used as a surrogate for anything football-related in this country. Around December 2010, we were like "hey, that's nice, they know that the team's nickname is "the Azkals"!" Now it feels like I'm on the receiving end of a Jason de Jong tackle every time I hear it on the media.
I don't mind people using the Azkals name as long as they keep in mind that this is the PHILIPPINE national football team. Para sa bayan.
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Post by cypher210 on Jan 7, 2012 1:14:23 GMT 8
what i am saying is that theres no reason to be angry over the use of the word azkal since it has multiple connotations. im not denying that the MNT are the azkals. the azkals technically mean the MNT as a connotation since the literal meaning is street dog. thats not necessarily it you know. the word could have a secondary or tertiary connotations. a common filipino as in non-football follower would somewhat associate the word azkals to football in the philippines because the azkals aka MNT were the ones that stood out the most in philippine football. so in common terms the word azkals have become a symbol of philippine football as a whole. not KAYA fc like mr. buddha sarcastically said because KAYA isnt the whole country. the mainstream media doesnt talk about KAYA or any UFL team without mentioning the word azkal because the word azkal now symbolizes philippine football. people who dont know about the UFL would have a clue on what the media is talking about. not everyone in the philippines know football like anyone in the forum. so dont be mad over the use or should i say misuse of the word azkal. you cant really teach a common person what is the right or wrong way of using this word because the majority of filipino non football followers already accepted the word azkal with the idea of philippine football as a whole as a connotation.
i just find it annoying how people rant over something like the "misuse" of the word. i mean the word is not even a dictionary word that has a right definition. i dunno old timers dont seem to get it hah. anyway i apologize for being repetitive throughout this thread. lol
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Post by leoisiah on Jan 7, 2012 19:11:37 GMT 8
After all the discussions we had here, it turned out that only Filipino players were sent into the game. Thus they are either past, present or future Azkals (I believe all those whose played are already capped in senior NT, except for Clarino who is only capped at U23 level).
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Post by fadzki on Jan 7, 2012 19:20:26 GMT 8
After all the discussions we had here, it turned out that only Filipino players were sent into the game. Thus they are either past, present or future Azkals (I believe all those whose played are already capped in senior NT, except for Clarino who is only capped at U23 level). I've read somewhere in this forum that before the official line-up was made they cut the 3 Africans off the team...
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