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Post by veryfatchocobo on Aug 13, 2012 13:57:55 GMT 8
First off, good to see people talk about Football IQ and the "proper" way to play football. I disagree with some of the opinions here about Caligdong, but then again, I have no firsthand experience in Filipino football, as the closest thing I can do here is watch through TV or read blogs from the awesome members here (and Football Manager lollool). Honestly, as I've already said, I thought Caligdong was the best player last year, since he helped bring true results for the senior team before the knee injury. But if he is really uncoachable, he may probably have to go. Then again, Weiss is completely oblivious to modern tactics (I don't think he watches the top 4 leagues....). But yeah, I won't add anything else to the subject unless I actually go there and observe myself olololol How many local coaches have received training abroad? I heard that in Bacolod and Cebu they are teaching kids how to play posession football and quick passing. Opposite to what the Iloilo kids are doing which is kick and run. I can foresee this being a problem as there is only 1 team in the Visayas that is registered in the UFL (then again, I don't really follow the UFL due to lack of coverage). It's also a big problem that the games from what I know are only played in Manila. Even if Cebu and Bacolod teach the game correctly, it's not going to go anywhere if Manila won't do the same thing. This can change of course if 1) there are more than 2 Bacolod and Cebu teams, and 2) UFL is played outside of Manila. Hopefully, time will favor football in the Philippines, so the league will have the money to play in multiple locations as well as proper facilities in every city here. BTW, it's fine if different regions teach different styles of play. Not all Spanish teams play like Barcelona; in fact, Barcelona is the only Spanish team that plays a true possession game, almost completely devoid of the athletic aspect of the game (Spanish FA actually takes Barcelona concepts and makes it their own and not the other way around). More importantly, it's even better if each individual UFL or superleague-equivalent club will have their own unique style and footballing identity (which is probably happening already). They just need to teach and play the game correctly (which I hear hasn't happened yet). Long-term success in all countries is dictated by the level of play in their respective superleagues, and hopefully the Philippines will not ignore this concept of football success.
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Post by kluverbucy on Aug 13, 2012 15:32:19 GMT 8
Kaylangan ni Dennis WOLF ng isang matinong Through Ball.. Kaso wala ako nakitang Through Ball kung hindi Long balls. hirap yung matangkad na defender kay Dennis Wolf anyway.. Sabio, De Murga, Omphroy, Uy, Reichelt at Porteria +points itong mga ito sakin. Nagdadalawang isip lang ako kung itutuloy kupa ang panunuod ko kapag nakita kuna ang "dribbling skills" ng players kung saan ang RUN ng isang teamate na maganda ang pwesto nawawala at nagbubuild na ang defense ng kalaban. sa GK sana makita ko si Ref Cuaresma nextime, laging tulala si Sacapano lalo dun sa Chip shot na binigay sakanya, pwede naman siya umatras ng konte bago tumalon para sana gumanda ng konti ang Chance niya sa angle ng bola.
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Post by cjeagle on Aug 13, 2012 15:39:57 GMT 8
Finally I have some time to make my comments on the game. I had to play chaperone for awhile for some guests who were from out of town, so I wasn't able to make my observations earlier. First off, I had a sneaking suspicion that the Inferno was a reinforced squad after watching the first half of the game, which I was a little bit late arriving by the way, after having to pick up some folks from the far south suburbs.
Some of their players looked a lot older than college kids and were playing a more mature(in the tactical sense) physical style of play typical of pro ball. I also remember reading an article on the Inferno website that they were going to field a PDL selection instead of the regular Inferno roster but I think they also added some trialists who were not from the PDL. It is all to the good in my opinion as you learn more about the strengths and weaknesses of your team and which aspects you need to improve upon, when you play stronger teams than those you would win comfortably against.
As has already been discussed, there was no flow to the Azkals game in the 1st half. They were having a difficult time putting some passes together as well as dealing with the Inferno's physical style of play. I was getting frustrated by some of the player's tendency to overdribble(I think that was Misagh) and the midfields lack of ideas on what to do with it, once they get in the offensive half of the field. A lot of the time in the first half, because of their inability to keep possession of the ball, they would resort to their long ball style of play, which wasn't really the best option against an Inferno team that was a lot taller, bigger and more physical and knew how to use that advantage. Most of all though, I thought the team didn't play with a lot of intensity. The Inferno looked like the hungrier team, not only keeping ball possession but winning most of the physical battles and showing the hustle to get the ball back when they did lose it.
I am pretty much in agreement with everyone concerning Ian and Chieffy's shortcomings but that has been discussed numerous times in the past already and I don't really want to rehash my frustrations on having a striker on the team who doesn't score goals or provide assists (in international competition) and who usually loses the ball just when the buildup looks promising. Most of the time the play ends with Ian and that pretty much sums up his usual game.
In the second half, with the addition of new players, the team decided to keep the ball on the ground and played a more fluid passing game. I didn't really know what the new players look like, but I presume from previous discussions on this thread that Uy was the stockier kid. Anyways they fit right in when they were inserted in the 2nd half and contributed a lot to the ability of the team to keep possession of the ball and were able to string some passes together that led to several chances on goal including the De Murga goal. The only goal we scored was created mostly through the effort of Patrick Reichelt who was creating havoc throughout the 2nd half.
The final result of the game though was deserving as not only was the Inferno selection the better team both in terms of technique and in their tactical awareness, but also in my opinion was also the hungrier team in this game possibly because some of them were auditioning for jobs in the professional leagues here in the US. It was a better workout for our team than I expected and should help the Azkals prepare for the Suzuki Cup more than an easy win against Guam or the USVI(assuming we will win of course) would in any case.
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Post by narko on Aug 13, 2012 16:03:38 GMT 8
Thanks for your insights cjeagle, I was about to ask you when you were going to share your thoughts on the match especially as you were there watching it live.
By the way regarding Carli's goal, was it deliberate? Reichelt and Carli have been playing and training together in Global this recently concluded UFL season so I was wondering if Reichelt knew Carli was going to be at the far post when he sent in that cross or was deliberately looking to set it up for him on that area. It isn't too clear on television because of the camera angles. Any thoughts on that cjeagle?
I'm curious if it looked like Reichelt knew that Carli was going to be there because it appeared obvious on TV that he sent his cross to the far post so it would be beyond the reach of the tall Inferno keeper. Even if he wasn't deliberately looking for Carli, it was a smart ball into open space behind the keeper on the far post, taking out the keeper at the same time and probably trusting that one of his team mates would be running into that open space. Evidently, Carli did and the result was a pretty good goal. Deliberate play or not, I think that's a good example of football IQ. Reading the game, seeing the angles, exploiting open space, creating and anticipating scoring opportunities. Let's have more of those please.
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Post by cjeagle on Aug 14, 2012 0:23:53 GMT 8
narko,
It is possible that Reichelt and Carli were familiar with each others play and that helped in the buildup to our only goal. Both of them certainly moved a lot better on the field not just going straight to goal like most of our players were doing and getting dispossessed in the process as they did in the first half, but using the space provided by attracting defenders when moving laterally or diagonally across the field to good effect. Those are all hallmarks of players with experience at a higher level of the game which our local players can learn from as they are exposed to better and better teams in the future.
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Post by jpmanahan on Aug 14, 2012 0:36:26 GMT 8
I'd feel better if Uy and Omphroy are playing club football somewhere, just so that they are match fit.
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Post by Wiking on Aug 14, 2012 9:22:29 GMT 8
Some highlights by "dsourse":
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Post by narko on Aug 14, 2012 12:27:04 GMT 8
narko, It is possible that Reichelt and Carli were familiar with each others play and that helped in the buildup to our only goal. Both of them certainly moved a lot better on the field not just going straight to goal like most of our players were doing and getting dispossessed in the process as they did in the first half, but using the space provided by attracting defenders when moving laterally across the field to good effect. Those are all hallmarks of players with experience at a higher level of the game which our local players can learn from as they are exposed to better and better teams in the future. Thanks cjeagle. The disadvantage of watching on television or streaming video is you don't get to see the "off the ball" runs of the other players unless the network doing the coverage knows its stuff and shows the build-up and key elements leading to the goal during the replays. The point you make about lateral and diagonal movements off the ball that stretches defenses or allows players to move across the pitch effectively as hallmarks of experience at a higher level of the game is spot on. Local players need to learn and develop these qualities. However, the efforts to do this is better spent on younger players. How's that saying go? "You can't teach an old dog new tricks."
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Post by markilizer on Aug 17, 2012 18:30:09 GMT 8
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