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Post by Wiking on Dec 27, 2011 12:02:34 GMT 8
HBT 2012 OFFERS USD 15,500 TOP PRIZE; CAMBODIA HARD AT WORK December 27, 2011 PHNOM PENH (27 Dec 2011) – The organisers of the Hassanal Bolkiah Trophy 2012 have offered USD 15,500 as reward for the champions in the tournament slated for 25 February to 5 March. The runners up stand to win USD 7,700 with the team coming in third picking up USD 3,800. The competition which is for players under the age of 21-years-old is being held only for the fourth time after 2002, 2005 and 2007. The tournament was not held in 2009 following the suspension imposed on the Brunei Amateur Football Association (BAFA) by FIFA. The suspension was lifted in May this year and where after the formation of the new National Football Association of Brunei Darussalam (NFABD), the HBT is now being re-organised. In the meantime, Cambodia are hard at work under chief coach Lee Tae Hoon. A total of 33 players have been in training at the National Football Centre in Cheng Meng in the outskirts of Phnom Penh. The team has since been trimmed down to just 25 players before the final cut to 18. “The South Korean coach will also make some changes following his observations during the upcoming matches of the Hun Sen Cup in Phnom Penh,” Cambodia assistant coach Ieng Saknida added. Indonesia were the winners in 2002 while Thailand have won the title in 2005 and 2007. www.aseanfootball.org/?p=7247&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Post by Wiking on Dec 30, 2011 19:23:32 GMT 8
DEFEAT FOR BRUNEI’S HBT TEAM IN FRIENDLY December 30, 2011 BANDAR SERI BEGAWAN (30 Dec 2011) – Brunei’s Hassanal Bolkiah Trophy (HBT) 2012 team did not exactly got the result they wanted in a tune-up match when they fell to a 3-2 defeat to DPMM FC. Despite scoring the early goal the HBT squad which featured five players over the age of 21-years-old, could not hold on as DPMM FC were quick to capitalise on some lackadaisical defending to draw level before scoring the winner soon afterwards. “It was a good performance by the HBT team. We were able to get early goals, but we let DPMM FC score easy goals because of defensive errors, especially the penalty kick that enabled them to score their second goal,” said Rosanan Samak, the assistant coach of HBT team. “We will continue to work hard in training to overcome the weaknesses. The players have started to play better as a unit.” The HBT 2012 have been slated for 25 February to 5 March. www.aseanfootball.org/?p=7273&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
While we are all on Holidays, these guys are playing. I wonder what excuse we'll be saying if(or when) we get trampled in this tourney? * Not yet ready to join the big boys...
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Post by buddha on Dec 30, 2011 21:23:06 GMT 8
These countries would see no reason for observing Christmas holidays with Cambodia being a Buddhist state and Brunei being a Muslim state.
Has our football culture evolved to the point where our national players are willing to give up their Christmas holidays?
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Post by Wiking on Dec 30, 2011 22:25:23 GMT 8
These countries would see no reason for observing Christmas holidays with Cambodia being a Buddhist state and Brunei being a Muslim state. Has our football culture evolved to the point where our national players are willing to give up their Christmas holidays? No our football culture isn't that well "evolved" yet... ...but lets see... PBA are playing now, PBA D League is playing now... EPL is playing now... UEFA has matches ongoing... NBA played games on the 25th!, NFL, NHL are playing. last I heard the Philippines, US and England are majority Christian nations...You want more? Neils team Fulham had a game on the 26th and will have one on new years eve(that's 31st). Rob Giers Ascot United played a game on the 27th and will play on the 31st too. Buddha, it's not about religion as I've showed you factually above. But I'm inclined to agree about the word "culture" that you mentioned. If we want to become relevant in the soccer playing world someone has to step up and say "wake up PFF!" otherwise we get left behind. Do we shut down 'everything football' for the holidays? Why? Our Filipino Bball players are still at it. ...and then what do we say after? "Well because of the Christmas holidays, we only had a month and a half of practice thats why we get this result". Heck, why not early in December? We could've done something then? Has our football culture evolved to the point where our national players are willing to give up their Christmas holidays? If not now, when? Why not start now? Another losing campaign to wake us up? Ok, I'll wait. Want more? They just got a coach(who hasn't been announced yet btw) recently, new tactics new way of playing. The U17 coach from the SEAG debacles excuse was, "we only had 2 months to practice". Now we have even less time! I'm not excited about a SEAG type results again, are you? ...not yet 'willing' to join the big boys.
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Post by stellarboy on Dec 30, 2011 22:55:17 GMT 8
Wiking,
Give the youth players some breathing space. Give our football culture some breathing space in blending it with our nation's sports culture. 'Wag muna tayong padalos-dalos when it comes to having the players come here in the PI and practice at this moment for the upcoming tourney.
Yes, there are rough edges that the PFF has to iron out, specifically having the permission from the younger players' schools, aside from their clubs. Some of our U-23s/U-21s are still in school like Manny Ott, Mark Drinkuth, Jacques Van Bossche, and the others. Although they're in winter break, they still have to attend school, a few days after New Year's Day. So it's up to the PFF to manage that.
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Post by Wiking on Dec 30, 2011 23:22:44 GMT 8
Wiking, Give the youth players some breathing space. Give our football culture some breathing space in blending it with our nation's sports culture. 'Wag muna tayong padalos-dalos when it comes to having the players come here in the PI and practice at this moment for the upcoming tourney. Yes, there are rough edges that the PFF has to iron out, specifically having the permission from the younger players' schools, aside from their clubs. Some of our U-23s/U-21s are still in school like Manny Ott, Mark Drinkuth, Jacques Van Bossche, and the others. Although they're in winter break, they still have to attend school, a few days after New Year's Day. So it's up to the PFF to manage that. stellar, you're thinking that our team could be good only with the Fil fors. Although I love those guys, this is exactly the type of competition we need more "local" players to play at. Though we need those guys, they aren't the "Be All, End All" for our youth teams, the locals are. Breathing space? the competition is not talking about breathing space, they are playing and getting better. Aren't the competitions U players in school too? And who says we need to have 100% of the squad together to practice? And have we not been talking about using "local" players? Some have been very vocal about using local players now is the chance to use them without Hinrichsen, Drinkuth, Ott etc. Among others we've got Leonora, Valmayor, Clarino, Fernandez, Beloya, Basa, Barbaso etc. Yes we get to use 5 older players too(change rules by the HBT management). We had a 35 man pool (was it?) for the SEAG, we should have enough to get a complete team together during the "holidays". I cannot believe that just because its "the holidays and we're a Christian nation" that no Filipino born and bred soccer player will refuse to represent his country because its... "Christmas". If we wanted too, we could have had a provisional team practicing right now... but apparently... we're on vacation. ...blending it with our nation's sports culture. The only way you do this is by winning. ONLY thru winning or at least competitive(certainly not the SEAG results). How can you win when you are unprepared, when we sit, while they are standing? ...not yet 'thinking' like the big boys.
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Post by cjeagle on Dec 31, 2011 5:25:13 GMT 8
Actually I agree with Wiking on this one. This is also an observation that Coach Weiss mentioned as well. Our players do not train like real professionals. The UFL teams still act like semi professional teams which in a lot of cases they are. Real professionals from leagues abroad, don't take too much time off. During extended holidays which tend to be brief in other countries, they are suppose to train on their own to keep in shape so they don't lose their playing shape. Angel Guirado mentioned that his contract in Europe, stipulates that he remain within a certain weight level and his weight is measured after he comes back from the offseason and holidays which means that they have train on their own. I noticed that in his short time here in the Philippines, his game and his playing shape has somewhat deteriorated although this is somewhat mitigated by the fact that he is coming back from injury although even his recovery in my opinion, compared to athletes here in the US, seems to be taking a lot longer than what their injury dictates.
During the football season, it is not uncommon that pros in mature professional leagues abroad, train twice a day until a few days before game day when they taper off. I notice that players in the Philippines complain about training twice a day. That is why our players tend to lose steam, in the latter stages of a 90 minute game since they don't train as hard as their counterparts in their respective professional leagues. Sports has evolved in other countries and professional teams train their players scientifically. Players are always working on their skills and cardiovascular endurance, even outside of team practice, especially since they realize that if they don't improve, other hungrier players are there to take their place. They are expected to maintain their playing shape even in the offseason by training on their own, something that a lot of our players don't seem to understand.
As for our training schedule, it is okay for a majority Christian country like ours to have some time off between Christmas and the New Year holidays, but hopefully they don't take too much time off, and start training soon thereafter.
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Post by buddha on Dec 31, 2011 10:00:22 GMT 8
Good points there wiking. Thanks for pointing that out.
I suppose you are aware of the debate on winter breaks for football. What are your thoughts on that?
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Post by fadzki on Dec 31, 2011 11:01:25 GMT 8
actually our pro basketball league the PBA is now on its x-mas break the last game this Dec. was on the 21th... the next game date is no Jan. 4...
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Post by Wiking on Dec 31, 2011 12:43:04 GMT 8
Good points there wiking. Thanks for pointing that out. I suppose you are aware of the debate on winter breaks for football. What are your thoughts on that? First off I'd like to publicly apologize to you and stellar I sorta got carried away there. Really its just that I would really really hate to have another SEAG moment and as it looks right now we look to be heading that way. I can't help thinking that if we do very poorly that the "only 2 months training" excuse will not be enough for discerning fans anymore. We really could've done much more. Example, like cjeagle mentioned during the December time frame(AND even without a permanent coach) could they have not been doing conditioning and basic football skill practices? And I mean a structured type practice with a temporary coach? These are U21 and younger, I would think basic dribbling, passing, kicking, accuracy etc practices would do wonders for them in the long run? Also, when I meant practice/train in December I didn't mean that they wouldn't have a break. Like fadski noted Dec 21-Jan 4 is PBA "holiday break". The kids should have their holiday, but there still was Dec 1 -Dec 20 available for training. Ahh I'm rambling again... As for the winter breaks for football, honestly I don't have any worthwhile thoughts about it except if I was a fan, 2 even 3 months break is quite a long time to see a favorite team play again. If I was a player though, I'd probably want that time to spend my millions. ;D
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Post by buddha on Dec 31, 2011 18:38:13 GMT 8
No worries there, mate. I do see that it makes sense to train during our "winter" break especially as we don't have a professional league, we don't have professional football academies, or national training centers for the various age groups, and our neighbors are gaining an extra edge by maximizing their training time.
I think the real problem here is that our demands (& ideals) don't match with the pace of development of our footballing culture. Anthropologist have a term for when technological innovations progress at such a pace that the current culture cannot catch up, thus resulting in a lot of conflict. They call it "CULTURAL LAG."
I think we're seeing something similar here. We (and I'm talking about myself too) are demanding more from our national teams when in fact we still lack the groundwork to make it possible (like a professional league).
Is there a way to solve/avoid/prevent "cultural lag"? If someone out there has the answer please let me know. In the meantime, we've got to be patient and do the groundwork.
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Lol! Exactly what I'd do.
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Post by jonny on Dec 31, 2011 19:02:11 GMT 8
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Post by fadzki on Dec 31, 2011 22:00:26 GMT 8
who will be coaching this u21 team? I don't think Coach Wiess will be able to handle this team coz they the Senior squad will be in a training camp somewhere in the middle East for the AFC Challenge Cup... when this HBT starts... will Sir Yante coach this team?
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Post by Wiking on Jan 1, 2012 10:57:53 GMT 8
Hi fadski, as per my first post, the former "U17 coach" will thankfully not be at the helm of this HBT contingent. I also have been told that there IS a coach who has been picked, the announcement will probably be out after the "holidays". I was hoping Yanti would've been the one to have been the "caretaker coach" during the December period as they worked on conditioning and basics, yet sadly all of PFF shut down after the LAG game it seems. We will have to wait and see in a few days I guess. buddha I suppose we are currently on the way to correcting our "soccer lag" it's just that the speed at what we do it is perceived differently by each and everyone of us. Case in point, I think we could speed up our "catching up" pace while other might think its just the right speed. Either way I think its wonderful we are even discussing this point as honestly, early 2010 I didn't even give a damn nor did I know the phenomenon we now call the "Azkals"! Happy New Year Coach!
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Post by Wiking on Jan 1, 2012 12:50:26 GMT 8
@santiaraneta Santi Araneta #sendongcharitygame makes it to the Spanish news paper! pic.twitter.com/E3DBfumk twitter.com/#!/santiaraneta/status/153335904436617216/photo/1
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