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Post by stellarboy on May 17, 2012 18:28:48 GMT 8
@demitomphroy:
Meeting next week for PHI tour for my new single "Speak It!" Philippines joining my fight against MS! #Pinoypride #MSAwareness #SI4MSWill it just be a music gig... or would his tour to the PI include a tryout for the Azkals? ...
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Post by cjeagle on May 18, 2012 1:18:37 GMT 8
If I were the coach, I wouldn't even consider him unless he commits to play regularly. Unlike in the past where we would be happy to gain a player just because he played college soccer in the US or had some limited professional experience, at this point in time, the Azkals have the luxury to demand that players prove themselves on the field first before trying out for the national team. Maybe he should sign up for a UFL team first so he can get some regular action and regain his fitness. He can keep his music gig as long as he has a chance to train and play football regularly here or elsewhere.
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Post by stellarboy on May 18, 2012 1:52:29 GMT 8
I do agree with you, cjeagle. If he still has the desire to play for the Azkals, he must first get himself playing club football, maybe here for a UFL club, or elsewhere. It's a matter of match fitness which is a big concern for the national team. I hope someone could tap him for an offer in the UFL when he visits the PI. Well, he can keep his music gigs while in here - he has lots of opportunities as well.
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Post by cebujames on May 18, 2012 4:07:54 GMT 8
A fight with "MS"? My first thought was Malaysia. ROFL! I guess he's not even considering playing with the Azkals but a got thing that he's a superstar in that scene. HAHA
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Post by chicwave on Jul 3, 2012 12:14:54 GMT 8
Demit's planning to come home anytime this year, primarily to promote awareness against MS, playing for NT is considered, considering what happened back in Dec, he wants to take a second shot at it.
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Post by stellarboy on Jul 3, 2012 12:25:54 GMT 8
Demit's planning to come home anytime this year, primarily to promote awareness against MS, playing for NT is considered, considering what happened back in Dec, he wants to take a second shot at it. I'd rather let him try out for a UFL team, as a policy has been set by the team manager that entry to the senior NT is now per-invitation. He may still join tryouts for the youth teams (U22/U23) should there any be, but I'd say he must ensure himself that he is still able to play club football, as he is clubless at the moment.
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Post by Wiking on Jul 27, 2012 21:59:19 GMT 8
Dont look now but it looks like we're inviting Demit. Whether he accepts or not is another matter. He's currently on an MS tour in the states plus not playing competitively since, well about a year or so now.
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Post by cjeagle on Aug 4, 2012 2:54:02 GMT 8
Since the possibility of Omphroy joining the Azkals has come up in the US training camp thread, I would like to bring up the question of whether Omphroy is still eligible to play for the Azkals. FIFA does allow players to change affiliation once from one association to another as long as he has not played for the mens team of the previous association. However, Demetrius has played for the youth teams of 2 different associations, the US and Panama. Was his participation in those youth teams in official tournaments recognized by FIFA, and if this is so, did he already make a change of affiliation before with FIFA from the US to Panama? If that is the case, then he will not be eligible to play for us. However, it is also possible he might not have played in an official FIFA sanctioned tournament for one of those teams, which will allow him to make a change to the Philippines.
The other issue that might affect his eligibility is the fact that apparently his mom(whose parents are both Filipino) might have been born in the US, which might make it difficult for him to claim automatic Filipino citizenship.
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Post by stellarboy on Aug 4, 2012 9:23:22 GMT 8
cj, I hope narko could answer that and clarify if Omphroy is indeed eligible given that his mom's Filipina but born in the US.
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Post by Wiking on Aug 4, 2012 9:56:12 GMT 8
I hope narko could answer that and clarify if Omphroy is indeed eligible given that his mom's Filipina but born in the US. Remember a few months ago when Denis Wolf was said to be having paperwork "problems"? well I received an email from someone then that his(Denis') situation was this: his mother was already a German citizen before he was born, thus that delay playing for the Philippines. I never posted this for one reason or another but if Demit's situation is the same way then it is "solvable". Maybe it has been fixed already? It has been more than half a year since the LA Galaxy invite after all? But perhaps more importantly is: Is Demit even match fit now? As a twitter watcher, usually players will say that they are going to practice, played a game or brag about their new boots or soccer team, but Demit has been on a MS awareness tour across the US and not once for the last 6 months or so mentioned going to practice or even a gym(he has a song he's been repping though). PLUS, another thing is, will he even be competing in the PA Cup, FIFA friendlies and/or Suzuki Cup? If not might as well play other defenders who needs pitch time with the national team! But another part of me also thinks that we should cap him now just in case. You never know, we might see him in the UFL someday. After all we UF members hardly ever dreamt we'd see Jason de Jong, Denis Wolf, Patrick Reichelt and others in UFL kit!
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Post by cjeagle on Aug 4, 2012 12:40:47 GMT 8
If you look at previous posts, you can see that Denis Wolf is the same situation as Paul Mulders in which both their moms were born in the Philippines but became German or Dutch citizens at the time of their birth. The important thing is that both issues was resolved. We are fortunate to have a team manager who can solve such problems. In Demetrius case however, there is still the question of whether he has already made a change of affiliation once before. If he has, then there is nothing we can do about it, as FIFA's decisions are final.
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Post by stellarboy on Aug 4, 2012 13:27:12 GMT 8
Cj,
I just read the FIFA eligibility rules awhile ago, and it does state in one article that the player must appear in one senior national team, no matter what nation he represented at the youth level. But I do not see any sort of restriction imposed for such player to switch associations at youth level. So I will assume Omphroy can still represent the Philippine men's team although he switched between the US at U18 level and Panama at U21 level. With such he could be eligible for the Philippines at U22/U23 level if deemed possible.
Hope this gets clarified by our knowledgeable guys; these are still friendly matches anyway, and his association to the Azkals will be finalized if he gets capped in a competitive match, like Denis Wolf eventually be.
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Post by cjeagle on Aug 4, 2012 13:39:30 GMT 8
stellarboy,
Yes FIFA allows you to file a change of affiliation to a different FA if you have not played on the men's team, but you can only do it once.
It says so in article 18 under Regulations Governing Application of the Statutes
Demetrius might not have played in an official tournament for one of those other teams so he might not have necessarily made the switch yet.
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Post by Wiking on Aug 4, 2012 22:03:33 GMT 8
I just read the FIFA eligibility rules awhile ago, and it does state in one article that the player must appear in one senior national team, no matter what nation he represented at the youth level. But I do not see any sort of restriction imposed for such player to switch associations at youth level. So I will assume Omphroy can still represent the Philippine men's team although he switched between the US at U18 level and Panama at U21 level. With such he could be eligible for the Philippines at U22/U23 level if deemed possible. Hope this gets clarified by our knowledgeable guys; these are still friendly matches anyway, and his association to the Azkals will be finalized if he gets capped in a competitive match, like Denis Wolf eventually be. It seems inconceivable to me that the PFF or Azkals management would try to FIFA cap Demit if by youth rules stated in the previous post above makes him ineligible. So, I tried to do a little research: My conclusion is; the possible reason the Philippines can still "senior cap" Demit is probably because, despite being a US(U18) and Panamanian(U21) youth player, Demit never capped or appeared on the pitch for the US team! He has capped for the Panamanian youths though. Not saying I'm right or that what I found on the net is correct but it does make sense. I still stand by my statement that if he is to join the US camp just to get a senior cap and is not involved in the rest of the friendlies, PA Cup and Suzuki Cup might as well give his pitch time to a deserving local!
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Post by cjeagle on Aug 4, 2012 22:32:49 GMT 8
If Omphroy has never appeared in an offiicial tournament for the US then he is still eligible to play for us.
Whether or not he is fit enough is another question altogether. If the PFF is seriously considering him, it is okay to give him a tryout in a camp like this. It makes sense as it is in the US. Now in this series of friendlies, is the best time to see if any of the US prospects like Uy, Omphroy, etc may be able to contribute somewhere down the line. If they are not fit or good enough during camp, then they don't even have to play them in any of the friendlies. My guess is they would like to evaluate as many US based Filipinos who have had professional experience as possible. It is really kind of disappointing that there aren't more considering there are more Filipinos here than anywhere else outside the country itself. Most of our kids play basketball or other sports instead.
As for FA's occasionally making mistakes, there are many examples of federations being suspended for fielding ineligible players, including some I have already cited for this particular provision(Article 18) like El Salvador.
stellarboy,
Did you find the relevant FIFA article? I was going to post it here, but I can't seem to copy and paste the particular pdf file on FIFA on Firefox. I am pretty hopeless sometimes when it comes to using software applications.
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