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Post by terriblerefereeing on Dec 23, 2010 14:26:00 GMT 8
hey fellas! i think our team should play the asian style of football which is more aggressive. Hello. I think the Germans are the most aggressive football players in the world. But I don't think we should play as aggressive as the Germans, or in that case, as aggressive as other Asians, case in point, Indonesia. Given that the team doesn't have a deep bench, playing aggressive is not ideal. I personally think that what they're doing right now is actually working for them, seeking opportunities to attack. Looking back at videos, they can score in counter attacks. Until they have mastered team jelling, stick to what they're doing now and they will glean good results.
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Post by Caz on Feb 13, 2011 15:13:09 GMT 8
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Post by cjeagle on Feb 13, 2011 15:17:32 GMT 8
Nice analysis. Broke down systematically the team formation and substitution patterns(which was in stark contrast to the near lack of any substitutions during the Suzuki cup) made by the coach. The author also accurately pointed out the numerous chances created as well as the lack of finishing which I hold Araneta most responsible for. However the article did not address the defensive breakdowns and the loss of shape later in the 2nd half in our haste to score more goals. With more time to prepare for the 2nd game, this lapses could be addressed in training and a better offensive option at striker could be found possibly Chad Gould, William Guerridon or Patrick Reichert to improve our finishing.
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Post by markdelvalle on Feb 15, 2011 13:55:16 GMT 8
lets give Ian the benefit of the doubt, it was obvious that He really had an off day. The ones tht really did make huge lapses though were Anton and de Jong which could have cost us alot. Also, Why in the world was Neil in the 50 yard line?!? Yes, we did push Mongolia to play pressing football, but it did also ALMOST allow Davaa to score 2x (if only his aim was straight). It was a good call by Weiss to let in Sabio, and Greatwich to replenish our mid (along with Jaugan), but I would say that he should have played Sabio behind Anton to have a stronger wing attack. What I hated though was our line-ups intense bombardment from the wing.... Uhm hello? Chippy's goal was a trap bounce shoot, and phils goal was a short pass from sabio (aside from the deflection).... Obviously, we cannot depend on wing strikes as we needed the touches first. Either our lads were dwarfed by the defense or our attack was just simply horrible.
IF given the chance to have put up the lineup, I would have stayed away from the 4-4-1-1 that he played and instead done a 3-2-3-1-1
_______________Etheridge_______________
Sabio___________Borromeo____________Gier (offensive)
_________de Jong__________Jonsonn_______ ______________(Defensive mid)____________
_____________J. Younghusband____________ del Rosario_________________________Gener (attack, towards middle)
____________________Chippy/Ian ____________________(forward) ____________ P. Younghusband _______________(striker)
I would consider Phil as a better target at the 6 yard box considering his height advantage over other players. James has played central before so I am sure that he can play the same. Anton, I'd say he has some attacking power, and Sabio is definitely efficient as an offensive wing(back), the two of them at the same side would Immediately remind me of Gareth Bale and Benoit Essou-Ekotto from Tottenham.
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Post by cjeagle on Feb 15, 2011 22:12:17 GMT 8
The one thing I would have changed in the first game was because of the intense focus that the Mongolians had on shutting down Phil Younghusband, I would have moved him wide to draw the defence out and to create space for the other attackers to take advantage of. However considering Ian's inability to finish, it might have all gone to waste. Phil still got his goal in the end.
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Post by buddha on Feb 22, 2011 9:32:32 GMT 8
SLOPPY, SLOPPY, SLOPPY. What bothers me about the Mongolia game in Panaad was that the Azkals were very sloppy in possession and seemed devoid of ideas. (They were even more sloppy in finishing off the game but then that's stating the obvious.) There was a false sense of urgency in the way they tried to force open the opposition when patient, thoughtful passing could have done the job. It's not right to claim that these occasions of sloppy handling, sloppy possession, and moments of poor concentration was because our players were not threatened by the poor quality of the opposition. Others say that it shouldn't matter because the Azkals will step up their game when facing bigger opposition. What bull. Hear me now: When you're playing for your country every game is BIG. There should be no room for complacency even in a home game against lowly opposition who refuse to come out and play. If this is the new "attacking" Azkals that coach Weiss is building then I'd rather go back to the pragmatic, albeit boring, "counter-attacking" Azkals of the Mcmenemy mold. Don't get me wrong, I think having Weiss at the helm is great but I think Mcmenemy was correct in playing to our strengths. We are a big, passionate, hard-tackling team but we don't have enough creativity in midfield or upfront that can support the type of attacking football Weiss promises us. I fear we would be undone by a strong defensive team who would hit us quickly and intelligently on the counter-attack... just like the Azkals used to do. Here are my two centavos (and we all know two centavos are worthless): 1. Continue with the counter-attacking mindset, 2. Wait until we have the players that can support a creative, attacking playing style BEFORE attempting an attacking playing style and 3. Nourish our young Azkals puppies on a diet of good attacking football at the U-23, U-19, U-16, (and younger) levels so that by the time they step up to the Senior Squad it has already become a strength and a trademark. If we want to play like Spain does then we've got to learn from the Spaniards. Their playing style and formation stems from the fact it is ingrained at the youngest levels of the national football setup. (see www.the-afc.com/en/football-development/education/31577-spains-melendez-reveals-secrets)
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Post by cjeagle on Feb 22, 2011 13:40:52 GMT 8
I agree with your observation Buddha. Coach should choose a style that fits the kind of players he has and not force a system that they cannot handle. I was little disappointed after watching the game against Mongolia because I was expecting a more organized team which the Germans are famous for and especially in the second half in their haste to score goals, they lost defensive shape and could have been punished for some defensive miscues if they had a better opponent. However he has had only a few weeks to train the team so the lack of familiarity with his system could have played a part in this.
Coach Weiss is very experienced though. With time to teach his system and the addition of better players maybe his style can be effective. In fairness, he also made some substitutions that proved to be critical. This is in contrast to the almost lack of subs during the Suzuki cup run under McMenemy.
When we reach the AFC challenge cup group qualifiers a week after the game against Mongolia we will be facing initially Myanmar whose new coach from Serbia at one time led Serbia to #6 in the FIFA ranking. We will find out then how good our coach is as this team played us in the Suzuki cup not too long ago.
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Post by ynwa on Feb 22, 2011 17:14:35 GMT 8
Paano po ma-improve ang passing at first touch ng team natin?
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Post by al luz812 on Feb 22, 2011 19:13:13 GMT 8
for first touch, good skill. passing...vision. and above average individual composure and team cohesion for both.
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Post by buddha on Feb 22, 2011 19:48:25 GMT 8
cjeagle: By substitutions I believe you are referring to TACTICAL SUBSTITUTIONS as a means of influencing the outcome of the match. The reason why coach Macca wasn't able to make any TACTICAL SUBSTITUTIONS during the Suzuki Cup is simply because he simply lacked quality in his bench. He had a very strong starting 11 but a very lightweight bench. He simply didn't have the luxury of making dramatic changes. If there had been injuries to two or more of his first team players his campaign would have taken a nosedive. Coach Weiss now has more foreign-based players to call on. I'm sure you're impressed with how he switch Sabio for del Rosario but if this was still pre-Suzuki Cup it would be unthinkable to sub del Rosario because he's the best we've got (or WAS the best... depending on your opinion). Sabio looked a bit shaky out in Panaad but he sure looks quality and he's going to give Anton some much needed competition! (Now if only we had a striker of real quality who could compete for places with Phil and Ian.)
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Post by al luz812 on Feb 22, 2011 20:57:40 GMT 8
it is gier who must feel threatened at his position. anton can start at right back, sabio is capable of filling giers position with aly at central back. gier's lack of pace was evident last feb 9, he seemed vulnerable to the oppositions sudden counter-attacks. twas not evident during the suzuki cup because of the azkals defensive set-up but it showed when they are more offense oriented. jason has better pace than rob and is more capable of running down sudden counter-attacks from speedy opposing forwards.
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Post by buddha on Feb 23, 2011 9:20:40 GMT 8
@al luz812 I believe you did not notice the fact that Rob Gier IS deployed as a CENTER BACK and not as a rightback. Anton used to play centerback until coach Macca moved him to rightback where his attacking tendency and stamina (not to mention those monster throw-ins!) could be maximized. Here's the current Azkal set up as posted by [Caz]: soccercentral.ph/feature/weiss-man-new-coach%E2%80%99s-winning-startCurrently, Anton is untouchable at rightback. He's made it his territory and I think he is just brilliant. But Jason Sabio has shown that he has the quality to unseat Anton should he be given the chance (Jason's got the pace, stamina AND the monster throw-ins too!). That's why it provides very good competition for Anton as it will keep him on his toes and avoid complacency. Unfortunately, we do not have the same situation throughout the squad. Take for example, our defensive midfield position. I'm a huge fan of Jason de Jong. He is often underrated as he's not a flair player but he's the most indispensable player in the squad and plays a crucial role as a ball winner and destroyer (one who breaks up the opponents plays). He's got the aggression and the bite we need in the midfield. But should something happen to him we don't have anyone of the SAME quality who can play his role. (I suppose in the absence of de Jong you could delegate a good ball-playing defender to the defensive midfield role. Ali Borromeo would do very well as he sometimes plays midfield for his club, Kaya FC, but to do so would seriously weaken our defense. That's why it's crucial that we get players like Stephen Schrock who is a defensive player but with good ball handling skills and vision.)
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Post by al luz812 on Feb 23, 2011 11:52:50 GMT 8
@ buddha i believe you did not notice what my point is. anton owns the right back position, sabio will be more effective TOGETHER WITH ALY at center back than rob because of jasons superior pace. or better yet, they could switch positions throughout the game and take turns making offensive forays on the right flank to confuse the opposition.
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Post by beho on Feb 23, 2011 13:51:55 GMT 8
it is gier who must feel threatened at his position. anton can start at right back, sabio is capable of filling giers position with aly at central back. gier's lack of pace was evident last feb 9, he seemed vulnerable to the oppositions sudden counter-attacks. twas not evident during the suzuki cup because of the azkals defensive set-up but it showed when they are more offense oriented. jason has better pace than rob and is more capable of running down sudden counter-attacks from speedy opposing forwards. ;Dyeah, i agree with you concerning gier, he seems to be out of shape last feb. 9 , he really looks vulnerable during that game, remember how he fell down while he was chasing the ball trying to get ball possession. it's a good thing the mongols were contended to play the game defensively, or else gier's being out of shape could have been more evident ;D
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Post by buddha on Feb 23, 2011 13:52:15 GMT 8
@al luz812
I reread what you posted and you're right, I DID MISS YOUR POINT! Sorry about that. ;-)
I'm not overly concerned about Rob's pace. As players get older their speed naturally declines but the centerback position is a position where pace is not as important as experience, positioning, anticipation, and the ability to read the game. What Rob brings to the team is his experience from playing consistently at a reasonably higher level.
What about that new finding, Patrick Aebersold? He's a centerback although we really haven't seen him play. He could be good competition for Rob.
Cheers
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