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Post by cjeagle on Mar 31, 2013 0:02:46 GMT 8
What is Coach Weiss complaining again? He is lucky he is working in the Philippines. Most Filipinos have such low expectations, that making the AFC Challenge Cup Finals the lowest tier tournament in the AFC, with a roster full of higher division European based professionals, in one of the weakest football tournaments in the world is considered a great achievement.
He is lucky he is not working in other Asian countries, where many European coaches with outstanding resumes, get fired after only a few months in office, just because they disappointed in one tournament. Here despite his inexperience, he has so much leverage that he forced the PFF, to include conditions in his contract, that it be extended for making the finals of one of the weakest tournaments in the world. That is what happens when you negotiate with only one alternative for a position. You get taken to the bank.
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Post by Wiking on Apr 1, 2013 16:18:42 GMT 8
What is Coach Weiss complaining again? He is lucky he is working in the Philippines. Most Filipinos have such low expectations, that making the AFC Challenge Cup Finals the lowest tier tournament in the AFC, with a roster full of higher division European based professionals, in one of the weakest football tournaments in the world is considered a great achievement. He is lucky he is not working in other Asian countries, where many European coaches with outstanding resumes, get fired after only a few months in office, just because they disappointed in one tournament. Here despite his inexperience, he has so much leverage that he forced the PFF, to include conditions in his contract, that it be extended for making the finals of one of the weakest tournaments in the world. That is what happens when you negotiate with only one alternative for a position. You get taken to the bank. I feel the same way! Speaking of other Asian countries, through my blog I was contacted by an English coach who wanted to coach in Asia and he said he was given the Laos U23 team 2 years ago but had to decline when it turned out his salary also included the clothing allowance for the team! I give Weiss my minimal support, but seriously, how many of our members here who have been active since at least 2011 how we used to complain about his none substitutions, terrible tactics or lack off, players suddenly in a mysterious new position, offering excuse Before the start of a tournament, attack at all cost offense, continue playing a player despite his ineffectiveness, etc? We know Weiss learned his coaching trade through the Azkals! Imagine if we really had a coach who already knew how to coach a senior NT team from day 1?! But hey since we still have him, I hope he continues his personal and team improvements!
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Post by gendirk on Apr 3, 2013 13:51:38 GMT 8
Hey cjeagle...
should we get back with our old ways, again???
I'm still trying to comprehend, up until now, which national team are you talking about?
This is the Philippine Azkals, ok? Look at where it is in the world right now? Take a closer look at its history and the background of the country it represents??? It should be understandable to you that from basing on those facts... it should be natural that we should start off with running with the "little boys" first before breaking our bones with Asia's Big Boys...
I just hate the way many "minimize" the Azkals' achievements in lower tier tournaments... I hope they understand what they were commenting. And obviously, they do not understand the purpose of having lower tier tournaments.
That's for D-E-V-E-L-O-P-M-E-N-T. I hope someone get's it right
Statements like that wont make any help drawing supports from fans and would-be fans... GRRRRR!!!
you're not being helpful.
And as for my golden boy? no matter how you dissect his performance, as long as he gets his job done, by getting important wins, he retains the JOB! and that's the bottom line...
Pres. Araneta said... "he will call the shots til July 2014" , so see you July 2014
============ Seems like it's time to close this topic, Mods... he's already extended anyway... time for everybody to shut up!
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Post by gendirk on Apr 3, 2013 14:23:53 GMT 8
What is Coach Weiss complaining again? He is lucky he is working in the Philippines. Most Filipinos have such low expectations, that making the AFC Challenge Cup Finals the lowest tier tournament in the AFC, with a roster full of higher division European based professionals, in one of the weakest football tournaments in the world is considered a great achievement. He is lucky he is not working in other Asian countries, where many European coaches with outstanding resumes, get fired after only a few months in office, just because they disappointed in one tournament. Here despite his inexperience, he has so much leverage that he forced the PFF, to include conditions in his contract, that it be extended for making the finals of one of the weakest tournaments in the world. That is what happens when you negotiate with only one alternative for a position. You get taken to the bank. You should be careful with that statement... You can be construed of DISCRIMINATING. By saying so... you can be liable for implying that all National Teams, including the Philippines, participating this tournament are weak. Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! Moderators? pls moderate Nobody is given any right to imply such thoughts...
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Post by theunicorn on Apr 4, 2013 9:07:12 GMT 8
first post, i can't let myself silenced for almost months observing the boards. well, i agree with you gendirk. AFC Challenge Cup is a lower tier competition in Asia but i dont believe that it is one of the weakest tourneys in the world. Yes, we have the lads playing in european higher division clubs, but still, we can't go jump to higher AFC tourneys particularly the Asian Cup, but we are going there if we won the CC. C'mon, there's no such thing as underachievement, the coach might have some flaws but i think he's doing his best. we are still developing despite having our euro-based players. In what i had observed, we are raising the bar too much for coach weiss and the whole MNT. We can't always create the team we are visualizing, and i guess, from some of the critics here, they want to see our MNT play like Barca.
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Post by cjeagle on Apr 4, 2013 10:02:52 GMT 8
genkirk,
I am very much aware that we are at a developmental stage. I have been following Philippine football, all the way back to the late 80's and early 90's, when the German federation were first sending out German advisers to third world countries like Kenya and the Philippines. They sent Bernard Zgoll then, a renowned German coach who had reputation for developing outstanding teams and programs, from scratch both in Germany as well as in 3rd world countries. He did well in his short time here, fielding competitive teams at the youth level that did relatively well in Asian competition and wrote a blueprint for development before he left, that had we followed would have made us a football power in our region. Unfortunately the chaos of the post Marcos era and the lack of support of football in general made it difficult for any progress to be made and the sport stagnated.
From that perspective, I can't help but compare Coach Weiss with the previous advisers and coaches(all of whom recruited players locally and did well with them, including at one point making the semis of the SEA games, the same position we reached in the Suzuki Cup) that the DFB sent to us in the past, and I have found his performance wanting, considering the players he has now. I already enumerated the various reasons in the previous thread so I am not going to restate that over here. Maybe if he takes our U-23 team to the SEA games this December and succeeds over there with mostly local players, like his predecessors has done in the past, I would be more impressed, but he has declined to take that job.
Having said that, I acknowledged that Coach Weiss, has improved a lot since he first started here. He is learning on the job and I am sure his mentors in Germany(which he himself has acknowledged talking to), has been giving him feedback on his performance. I have even defended him here on decisions he has made, on matters of discipline and team selection.
As for the statements, I have made about the AFC Challenge Cup, what is wrong about that? It is considered by the AFC, as a tournament for emerging nations and is the lowest rung in the AFC calendar and our continent is as you know way behind those of Europe and South America. It is a fantastic tournament for us, a developing football country and allows us a path to the Asian Cup that is easier than the Asian Cup qualifiers, which our other SEA neighbors are struggling to hurdle, in order to qualify for the continental championship. Nevertheless, it is what it is.
Anyways, I am going to be too busy with my graduate studies to respond to you at any length, in the future genkirk. Have a nice day.
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Post by jayson on Apr 4, 2013 22:34:21 GMT 8
I agree to gendrik.Coach MW follows a systematic procedure, I dont think we jump off to high tier tournament wherein our team is not ready yet.As far as I observe the best team we had is the World Cup Qualifier against kuwait and the recent against Turkmenistan.Other than that line up in different tourney are not really suited to the teams in Asian Cup.Azkals is not Barca or Real Madrid wherein we should cursed our Coach for not getting into the finals.
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Post by theunicorn on Apr 5, 2013 8:13:55 GMT 8
genkirk, I am very much aware that we are at a developmental stage. I have been following Philippine football, all the way back to the late 80's and early 90's, when the German federation were first sending out German advisers to third world countries like Kenya and the Philippines. They sent Bernard Zgoll then, a renowned German coach who had reputation for developing outstanding teams and programs, from scratch both in Germany as well as in 3rd world countries. He did well in his short time here, fielding competitive teams at the youth level that did relatively well in Asian competition and wrote a blueprint for development before he left, that had we followed would have made us a football power in our region. Unfortunately the chaos of the post Marcos era and the lack of support of football in general made it difficult for any progress to be made and the sport stagnated. i would love to read that blueprint but I guess it's long gone now. anyways, it's a long way ahead before the finals, let's see how CW will manage things around the team. The U-23 is another thing. There is more to follow.
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Post by stellarboy on Apr 5, 2013 9:54:31 GMT 8
genkirk, I am very much aware that we are at a developmental stage. I have been following Philippine football, all the way back to the late 80's and early 90's, when the German federation were first sending out German advisers to third world countries like Kenya and the Philippines. They sent Bernard Zgoll then, a renowned German coach who had reputation for developing outstanding teams and programs, from scratch both in Germany as well as in 3rd world countries. He did well in his short time here, fielding competitive teams at the youth level that did relatively well in Asian competition and wrote a blueprint for development before he left, that had we followed would have made us a football power in our region. Unfortunately the chaos of the post Marcos era and the lack of support of football in general made it difficult for any progress to be made and the sport stagnated. i would love to read that blueprint but I guess it's long gone now. anyways, it's a long way ahead before the finals, let's see how CW will manage things around the team. The U-23 is another thing. There is more to follow. Here was that "blueprint" by Zgoll. Read it: usapangfootball.proboards.com/thread/1277/zgoll-study
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Post by theunicorn on Apr 5, 2013 9:57:21 GMT 8
oh yeah! thanks a lot sir stellarboy!
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