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Post by kuo24 on Mar 28, 2013 22:35:54 GMT 8
Can we see the official video please? Kindly link it here. Thanks.
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Post by zannbu on Mar 28, 2013 22:37:05 GMT 8
Coming from Chino Trinidad, it's showbiz.
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Post by jpmanahan on Mar 28, 2013 23:19:05 GMT 8
There is also the concept of context. Thus who did the interview, the media entity, and what was said.
Won't be surprised if Chino tried to bring that up, Chieffy gave his thought, and Chino interpreted it as such.
That's why we need the clip.
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Post by jyapjoco on Mar 28, 2013 23:23:18 GMT 8
not surprising, chino is biased for basketball and to a certain extent boxing, just like columnist quinito.
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Post by kingdatu on Mar 29, 2013 7:02:44 GMT 8
im not at all concerned with this issue. The players relationship is whats important and they have no problem with eachother.
Let the chismoso fanbase bicker among themselves to debate this racial issue.
My only concern going forward is that indeed, the local game must be developed and we cannot depend on Pinays bedding white guys and producing half breeds to play on our NT team
btw...FYI this interview seems to be several years old.
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Post by cheeze on Mar 29, 2013 9:11:28 GMT 8
im not at all concerned with this issue. The players relationship is whats important and they have no problem with eachother. Let the chismoso fanbase bicker among themselves to debate this racial issue. My only concern going forward is that indeed, the local game must be developed and we cannot depend on Pinays bedding white guys and producing half breeds to play on our NT team btw...FYI this interview seems to be several years old. I find that comment to be extremely racist. While I have no problem with improving the quality of our local payers, there was no need to include the comment of "pinays bedding white guys" or calling our players "half breeds."
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Post by leoisiah on Mar 29, 2013 11:45:02 GMT 8
On what show was this interview aired?
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Post by stellarboy on Mar 29, 2013 12:07:40 GMT 8
On what show was this interview aired? Based from what I heard, it was either a news report from 24 Oras on GMA or a segment for Sports Pilipinas on GMA News TV. I'm still searching for that video.
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Post by kingdatu on Mar 30, 2013 2:41:31 GMT 8
extremely racist? maybe you need to research what "tongue in cheek" is.
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Post by veryfatchocobo on Mar 30, 2013 4:11:25 GMT 8
im not at all concerned with this issue. The players relationship is whats important and they have no problem with eachother. Let the chismoso fanbase bicker among themselves to debate this racial issue. My only concern going forward is that indeed, the local game must be developed and we cannot depend on Pinays bedding white guys and producing half breeds to play on our NT team btw...FYI this interview seems to be several years old. I find that comment to be extremely racist. While I have no problem with improving the quality of our local payers, there was no need to include the comment of "pinays bedding white guys" or calling our players "half breeds." I'm Fil-Am, but I don't really think it's that racist (though the white guys comment is out of place lol). There's a cultural aspect of the Philippines that people like me don't get to experience, and perhaps Caligdong feels that there's a disconnection between the Filipino people and the Filipino team as most of the team is not born in the Philippines and are bred to be people of their place of birth rather than grow up "Filipino" (culturally of course) in another country. I hope this doesn't come off as racist....
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Post by Caz on Mar 30, 2013 9:54:20 GMT 8
Chieffy. I love the guy and he's a hero to me. And he's as pinoy as anyone can be. But he's not the best speaker nor the most eloquent. I doubt he meant any harm in saying this, he just wasn't thinking about what he was saying and how it could be used out of context against him. He's done this before (or this could be the same video clip). We, at the time, declared that a PR officer was greatly needed for the PFF and the Azkals.
From what I observed, however, he gets along quite nicely with the players based abroad, particularly Angel. I think he recognizes his limits and Weiss has expressed how big a fan he is of Chieffy. So no, I don't think there's a problem within the team regarding this non-issue.
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Post by stingray11214 on Mar 30, 2013 14:32:17 GMT 8
Though Chieffy is not going to win congeniality contests with his mouth, he is not truly wrong either. Let's be real: The Azkals are a glorified "Foreign Legion". Answer this question: Do you think PYH would be playing for the Azkals if he was on England's radar? Sabio on the USMNT's? Muller on the Nationalmannschaft's? If you can honeslty answer "Yes!" to any of these questions then either you don't know anything about football or you're a bald-faced liar. The USA had the same problems the Azkals currently have. The USMNT usually had more seagulls than supporters at their matches, and that is with the NASL running full tilt. Look at some of their players: Julie Veee, Ade Coker, Alan Merrick, the list goes on, of foreigners who obtained US citizenship to play on the USMNT back in the day.
But the problem that was for the USA, and now the Azkals, is that there are very few players that were being developed in the pipeline. For example, Does anyone see Camcam as a viable No. 3 'keeper, never mind Azkals #1? Until the PFF makes a REAL EFFORT to develop a pipeline within the Philippines, the Azkals will NEVER get the support they deserve. People want to identify with friends and neighbors, people familiar with them. They want to see the kid who was the starting striker at St. Teresita's in Aritao play for the local club and the Azkals. They are leery of someone who could not play in a second division side in the country of his birth, but use his bloodline to start for the Azkals. This is your problem.
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Post by cjeagle on Mar 30, 2013 14:50:33 GMT 8
Difference is stingray is that those players that the US recruited was naturalized citizens. Our players all have Filipino blood and have a legal claim to Filipino citizenship. To us, they are no different than our cousins, sons and nephews who live abroad who we treat as family and usually grew up exposed to Filipino culture. As I mentioned before in one of our discussions , the US national football team(during the pre-Rothenberg era) was notorious at skirting the rules, in some cases even fielding players who were not even US citizens, and on a few occasions had to withdraw players from their national team just before the game, because countries like Mexico or Canada complained to FIFA. That is one of the reasons they had a hard time attracting fans and were usually outnumbered and outcheered by the away fans. Still happens today by the way, when the Mexicans are in town. At least in our case, our players relatives would show up to support them and most of us fans feel a connection to them. The PFF has a policy of not recruiting players who don't have Filipino blood ties and is probably a prudent policy at this point in time.
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Post by veryfatchocobo on Mar 30, 2013 16:21:31 GMT 8
Difference is stingray is that those players that the US recruited was naturalized citizens. Our players all have Filipino blood and have a legal claim to Filipino citizenship. To us, they are no different than our cousins, sons and nephews who live abroad who we treat as family and usually grew up exposed to Filipino culture. As I mentioned before in one of our discussions , the US national football team(during the pre-Rothenberg era) was notorious at skirting the rules, in some cases even fielding players who were not even US citizens, and on a few occasions had to withdraw players from their national team just before the game, because countries like Mexico or Canada complained to FIFA. That is one of the reasons they had a hard time attracting fans and were usually outnumbered and outcheered by the away fans. Still happens today by the way, when the Mexicans are in town. At least in our case, our players relatives would show up to support them and most of us fans feel a connection to them. The PFF has a policy of not recruiting players who don't have Filipino blood ties and is probably a prudent policy at this point in time. Well, there are two sides to the argument. You have the Filams like me that're brought up Filipino and American. And then you have Filipino-blooded bros like the Miami Heat coach Spoelstra who don't even know what adobo is. By blood, he's pretty much as Filipino as I am (though I am considered full-blooded pinoy...). However, by culture, I'm obviously more "Filipino," as I've grown up in a way that Asian-Americans here consider the "FoB lifestyle." Now, my question is: should Filipino be considered only by blood or only by cultural affinity to the people currently living in the Philippines, or perhaps even a bit of both? I'd make a big giant post on this kind of topic, but this is obviously not the place for such politically sensitive issues (though I'd argue that most Asian cultures already have a hard line about this which I feel the Philippines doesn't). I hope this doesn't come across as cringeworthy LOL
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Post by Caz on Mar 30, 2013 17:22:46 GMT 8
I agree with cjeagle about the current prudent approach to the national team. Things are getting better for the local side. We do have a decent pool of locally based players now. And yes, as far as playing international football is concerned, all the players based abroad are FIFA-eligible without question due to their lineage and the dual-citizenship rules we have. As for what being a "Filipino" is or how "Filipino" someone is... man, that's a debate that could go on and on and on. Even within the USA what being "American" means could be a long-running argument.
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