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Post by strikerbon on Jun 9, 2013 14:54:17 GMT 8
Admin Edit: This thread was broken off it's source thread "Homegrown Azkals" as the following posts below constitute for a new discussion regarding the topic of an Azkals Team B and whether it is feasible or not.================================================================================= Time to integrate more locals into Azkals set-up, says former PH coach Cutillas By Karlo Sacamos
FORMER national football coach Juan Cutillas believes it's high time for some "policy changes" in the national team set-up, calling for more homegrown players in the Azkals roster and the setting up of a youth academy to sustain the tremendous gains of the sport in the country. “The impact of the Azkals has been something really unbelievable,” the 73-year-old Spanish mentor said on Thursday after the Fiba-Asia Championship draw where he was recognized along with the other members of the championship-winning Philippine team in 1973. Cutillas, the trainer of that all-Filipino 1973 national team, said the Azkals’ achievements were reminiscent of the time when he first came to the country in the early seventies. Cutillas claimed that from 1971 to 72, they put up a 'Manila selection,' composed of a mix of foreign and Filipino booters which beat the likes of South Korea, Hong Kong, China, Thailand, and Singapore. “We have all the records. But what happened at that time, there was no (Azkals manager Dan) Palami," he said, referring to the Azkals' manager and top financial backer. "Now the Philippines is very lucky to have him.” Cutillas, who last coached the national football team in 2009, lauded Palami’s efforts, but believes the Azkals have too many abroad-based Filipinos in the squad that takes the playing time away from homegrown booters. “Our local players must be very upset that they are not given the opportunity to play. I know they are discouraged,” said the outspoken mentor, who handled current national team mainstays Chieffy Caligdong, the Younghusband brothers, Neil Etheridge, and Chris Greatwich during his time. Cutillas said from the Filipino-foreign players in the Azkals pool, only “five or six are outstanding” and should be kept. “The others are pretty average players, although they are better than (local players) because they have better competition, so I think we should already start changing policies and start giving more chance to our players.” Cutillas cited the recent friendly against Hong Kong, which he said could’ve been the perfect chance to let the locals play. “You don’t need these players from Europe (to play in the Hong Kong friendly). It was the opportunity to give chance to other players. Even in the Southeast Asian Games, they are looking for Fil-foreigners everywhere when there’s the opportunity to give chance to others.” “It’s not so important that the Azkals keep on winning all the time. They are established in Southeast Asia already,” he continued. “Teams like Thailand and Singapore, they’re not crazy to organize games all the time. They participate in the important competitions. This is what the Azkals should do.” Cutillas said instead of spending millions of pesos to “mobilize players coming from Europe," the Azkals' financial resources could be used for a youth academy where youngsters with potential can stay and train together with free accommodation, food, and studies. The academy, which Cutillas has long envisioned, should identify the best young players in the country and let them travel only once a year to play in competition. “That is money well invested because you train the best players in the country, and slowly but surely, they will become really good, like what Australia has done,” Cutillas said. Cutillas, which is still affiliated with the PFF as member of its technical committee, also suggested putting up a “Team B” for the Azkals. “Put up another national team, mostly Filipino players, give them the opportunity to participate in small tournaments then you develop them,” he said. Cutillas said there are tons of deserving local-based players from the UAAP as well as the football hotbeds of Bacolod and Iloilo. “I’m not that familiar with the players anymore, but there are Filipino players who can play, given the chance.” filipinofootball.blogspot.com/2013/06/time-to-integrate-more-locals-into.htmlvery well said Coach Cutillas
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Post by Wiking on Jun 9, 2013 15:11:28 GMT 8
Cutillas, which is still affiliated with the PFF as member of its technical committee, also suggested putting up a “Team B” for the Azkals.“Put up another national team, mostly Filipino players, give them the opportunity to participate in small tournaments then you develop them,” he said. ^^ This!
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Post by stellarboy on Jun 9, 2013 19:50:14 GMT 8
I agree with Coach Cuto for a B team, but the number 1 problem for this will still be funding. Even our youth teams have a hard time organising themselves because they lack money.
Another factor for this is this curious policy of schools, esp. in the UAAP & NCAA, not releasing young, deserving collegiate players for NT duty. This needs to be amended sooner.
Another thing, we have seen in the past years that some local homegrown UFL players, who were called up but were never used, have already vowed not to attend NT camps when they'd be called up.
Not to mention the so called "politicking" and "favouritism" apparently happening in the player selection process.
As I see it, the NT has serious work to do.
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Post by buddha on Jun 11, 2013 15:25:29 GMT 8
WHAT A STEAMING PILE OF BOVINE FECAL MATTER!
1. We barely have enough money to fund our senior team, the U23s, the U21s, the U18s, the U16s, the U14s, the Malditas, the grassroots, a pro league, and you're asking FOR ANOTHER ONE?! 2. Isn't the role of a "B Team" exactly the same as that of the U23 (or U21) teams? Do you know why England no longer has a "B" team? 3. If you look at the current U23 team lineup would you say that these are not homegrown players? Would you not say this is exactly the same idea as having a "B" team?
If you've been following the national team for a while you'll learn that as the summer solstice approaches Senior Cutillas will surface to have his day in the sun. He'll relive former glories and spew words of wisdom.
1. He said, "They are established in Southeast Asia already." Absinthe. I think that's what he's been drinking. Otherwise I'm the only one who missed the memo that we're already an established team.
2. He also said, “Teams like Thailand and Singapore, they’re not crazy to organize games all the time." He must be thinking of the 1970's. That's the only reason I can come up with for him missing the fact that Thailand & Singapore have strong professional leagues. Doesn't he know that Thailand regularly hosts big clubs as practice for their national team? Between July and August this year they will be entertaining Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Barcelona. In. That. Exact. Order. As an authority in Asian football Senior Cutillas should know this - otherwise he should just refrain from passing wind.
Haaaaaay. Can you not smell it - the scent of fresh manure wafting in the breeze?
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Post by teddyandtimmysdad on Jun 11, 2013 16:08:53 GMT 8
He said: "It’s not so important that the Azkals keep on winning all the time." What? This ignores so many issues surrounding the MNT: 1) Weiss had difficulty renewing his contract last time. On a personal basis, I'm sure he is picking who he believes are the best players as a matter of team pride AS WELL AS job security. It is hard to argue against results. And right now, Coach Weiss is the second winningest coach in Azkal history with a win percentage of 47% (versus Cutillas' percentage of 10%). I am sure Coach Weiss has an eye on the winning stats (amongst many other elements) as a key to the perception of his success as a coach. For more details and stats on who is the winningest Azkal MNT coach in the modern era (including results for Coach Cutillas), see here: pff-g.com/2013/02/08/who-is-the-most-successfu-coach-in-azkal-history/2) A winning MNT promotes interest in football and is good for the ongoing health of the sport in the Philippines. Indifferent results lead to indifferent fans, which could even kill the sport professionally. This issue really has been done to death on this board and elsewhere and probably needs no more comment. My oldest son has been playing football for nearly ten years. He is 13. He one day dreams of playing as a home grown Azkal. What motivates him? A good team with SUCCESSFUL RESULTS. I hope he can one day be a homegrown Azkal, but in the meantime he has to learn, work, train, and love the sport to have a chance. I am willing to let him talk with his feet, as I have said many times. I could go on and on for this topic, but the UFL is playing in an hour's time and my boys are bugging me to go to the game!
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Post by buddha on Jun 12, 2013 16:10:45 GMT 8
Maybe having a "B" team isn't such a bad idea. I've drawn up a list of possible matches for our national TEAM B:
Philippines Team B vs Greenland Philippines Team B vs The Republic of Niue Philippines Team B vs The Principality of Sealand Philippines Team B vs Zanzibar Philippines Team B vs Tibet Philippines Team B vs The Republic of Vanuatu
These states have national teams that could give our TEAM B some quality matches. In fact, the goalkeeper of Sealand used to represent Scotland's U21!
Too bad we can't play against Gibraltar as they've just been given UEFA membership. (It would have been great to play against Gibraltar as we could test our "homegrown" team against a bona fide UEFA member country!)
Our TEAM B should aim to play at the highest level and try to qualify for the FIFI Wild Cup or the VIVA World Cup (look them up, these competitions really do exist). Who knows, we might witness another Hanoi miracle!
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Post by Caz on Jun 13, 2013 0:14:02 GMT 8
LOL I'd watch the Sealand match. It would be interesting to see home and away legs too.
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Post by johnmarki on Jun 13, 2013 0:54:14 GMT 8
I think their is no difference if the lineup is composed of homegrown players or not. I mean it's good for philippine football to have some players with foreign football experiences. It will raise the level of the game. Home grown or not we should field the "better" player. I think 8 years is short that we can say we can build all/most are homegrown players to play in the azkals. I mean we are not yet that good in the "3rd tier" asian level. The love for football is still minimal,we cannot even fill a whole stadium for a division 1 club match. Most of us Filipinos still prefer basketball. I think that it will be possible minimum maybe "15 years", we can finally field all/most homegrown players to join the azkals. In that way the league will flourish with experience, in this time it will almost level a 2nd tier MLS/USL (which is 10+years old) in terms of experience.
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Post by narko on Jun 13, 2013 3:42:55 GMT 8
Wonder how an Azkals Team B will fare against European "minnows" Andorra and San Marino?
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Post by lakza on Jun 13, 2013 11:57:02 GMT 8
Having a team B will never solve the problem. It's a stupid idea.
A good national team coach knows when to broaden the squad and when to field in younger players. Unfortunately, Weiss doesn't see it that way. He always wants the best XI because he doesn't trust the homegrown players.
More importantly, who's stupid enough to spend for this useless & redundant setup?
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Post by strikerbon on Jun 13, 2013 18:44:18 GMT 8
Wonder how an Azkals Team B will fare against European "minnows" Andorra and San Marino? San Marino is a tough team, you knot ranking can also be deceiving. i saw their game against England and i can say that they're not a pushover, they're very good in pressing high. they can even beat other teams that are ranked higher than them such as Laos and Cambodia.
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Post by narko on Jun 13, 2013 19:13:16 GMT 8
Wonder how an Azkals Team B will fare against European "minnows" Andorra and San Marino? San Marino is a tough team, you knot ranking can also be deceiving. i saw their game against England and i can say that they're not a pushover, they're very good in pressing high. they can even beat other teams that are ranked higher than them such as Laos and Cambodia. I agree with you strikerbon and that was the point I was trying to make with that question. San Marino's part timers will be more than a handful for some sides here in the region. Despite the lack of pro players and a pro league, they do regular battle with top European teams. A Team B will just be a waste of limited resources. I think someone mentioned it here, isn't that what the U23 is for? Why spend resources on a senior Team B? So that other senior homegrown players get a chance? I hate to say this, but with limited resources available the development of senior homegrown players is no longer a wise investment towards the growth of Philippine football. Unfortunately for senior level homegrown players their time is past, unless the national team calls them up. Focus now should be on younger homegrown players, U23 and below. Also, I notice we all talk about developing homegrown players. How about developing local coaches and managers? Wouldn't it also be more cost-effective to send local coaches and managers to internships with foreign clubs and work abroad for a period in order to learn what "advanced" football countries are doing in terms of training, physical conditioning, nutrition, club administration, youth development, etc. it is probably way more cheaper to arrange an internship for a coach than sending a whole team to go on a training camp. Choose 12 capable and deserving ones to learn the trade abroad for a year or two and then let them run the grassroots program when they come back - 4 each to Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao. Football isn't only just about the players. There is no need for a Team B. Focus on local youth and provide local coaches opportunities to expand their knowledge and experience.
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Post by johnmarki on Jun 16, 2013 12:27:03 GMT 8
what about an Azkals B Team playing in another league?. I think that would be beneficial. Look at Lions X11 playing in malaysia super league. We could do the same. My suggestion is an Azkals B Team playing in "Guam Men's Soccer League". Since Philippines and Guam have closer ties together. I think it would be beneficial for them and for us.
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Post by narko on Jun 16, 2013 15:18:59 GMT 8
what about an Azkals B Team playing in another league?. I think that would be beneficial. Look at Lions X11 playing in malaysia super league. We could do the same. My suggestion is an Azkals B Team playing in "Guam Men's Soccer League". Since Philippines and Guam have closer ties together. I think it would be beneficial for them and for us. That would be a good idea as long as the members of that B-Team are composed of youth players. Having a B-Team is a good suggestion so long as the purpose of that B-Team is to feed youth players into the senior team. That's what our neighbors are doing. The Indonesian U17 and U19 team is known as Deportivo Indonesia and play in the lower tiers of the Uruguay football league for the past 3-4 years. Malaysia and Singapore field their youth teams in the Singapore League, though this year Malaysia will send its U22 team to an 8 month training camp in Europe where they will be based in Slovakia in preparation for their defense of the SEA Games gold medal. Indonesia lost to Malaysia in the last SEA Games final. So how is our U23 team doing? I don't even think they have a final line-up yet whereas our rivals have institutionalized mechanisms already in place, like an assembly line. Back to the Team B, the big question is, who will sponsor such a team? A big Indonesian multinational bankrolls Deportiva Indonesia in Uruguay. The Uruguayans have said we are welcome to do the same and I'm sure similar arrangements can be made with either Brazil or Argentina. It's just a matter of will and resources if those in charge put their mind to it. Note that while we are making progress, are rivals in the region aren't sitting on their a***s either. They are investing heavily in their youth programs and on homegrown player development by giving their youth players COMPETITIVE EXPERIENCE OUTSIDE their domestic leagues for added challenge. So I hope the PFF isn't just all talk and that they better start getting certain things done right away. A lot of this has to do with resources, if PFF is just going to wait for government dole-outs and "godfathers" like Dan Palami they are not going to achieve much. PFF must also learn to become a self-sufficient body that can generate its own funds. They need people in the Federation who are experts in identifying revenue streams, enlisting sponsors, marketing and auditing and recognize that some of these people they need may not be former football players but that they have to open their doors to this if they want the organization and the sport to grow. (Sorry Admin, that last para may be going a bit off-topic but I noted it to provide context to the debate on a B Team which to me is related to youth development)
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Post by johnmarki on Jun 16, 2013 19:10:02 GMT 8
what about an Azkals B Team playing in another league?. I think that would be beneficial. Look at Lions X11 playing in malaysia super league. We could do the same. My suggestion is an Azkals B Team playing in "Guam Men's Soccer League". Since Philippines and Guam have closer ties together. I think it would be beneficial for them and for us. That would be a good idea as long as the members of that B-Team are composed of youth players. Having a B-Team is a good suggestion so long as the purpose of that B-Team is to feed youth players into the senior team. That's what our neighbors are doing. The Indonesian U17 and U19 team is known as Deportivo Indonesia and play in the lower tiers of the Uruguay football league for the past 3-4 years. Malaysia and Singapore field their youth teams in the Singapore League, though this year Malaysia will send its U22 team to an 8 month training camp in Europe where they will be based in Slovakia in preparation for their defense of the SEA Games gold medal. Indonesia lost to Malaysia in the last SEA Games final. So how is our U23 team doing? I don't even think they have a final line-up yet whereas our rivals have institutionalized mechanisms already in place, like an assembly line. Back to the Team B, the big question is, who will sponsor such a team? A big Indonesian multinational bankrolls Deportiva Indonesia in Uruguay. The Uruguayans have said we are welcome to do the same and I'm sure similar arrangements can be made with either Brazil or Argentina. It's just a matter of will and resources if those in charge put their mind to it. Note that while we are making progress, are rivals in the region aren't sitting on their a***s either. They are investing heavily in their youth programs and on homegrown player development by giving their youth players COMPETITIVE EXPERIENCE OUTSIDE their domestic leagues for added challenge. So I hope the PFF isn't just all talk and that they better start getting certain things done right away. A lot of this has to do with resources, if PFF is just going to wait for government dole-outs and "godfathers" like Dan Palami they are not going to achieve much. PFF must also learn to become a self-sufficient body that can generate its own funds. They need people in the Federation who are experts in identifying revenue streams, enlisting sponsors, marketing and auditing and recognize that some of these people they need may not be former football players but that they have to open their doors to this if they want the organization and the sport to grow. (Sorry Admin, that last para may be going a bit off-topic but I noted it to provide context to the debate on a B Team which to me is related to youth development) Yup..totally agree with you we need a huge sponsor for this to be possible. A Filipino airline sponsor would be great, because it will lessen the expense of team in transportation through matches. Philippine Airlines perhaps?(crossing fingers)
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