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Post by buddha on Jun 25, 2013 21:36:26 GMT 8
Hi Wiking, good to hear from you.
I've been following Philippine football since the early 2000s - I was one of those in 2005 who voted for the name "Azkals," campaigned for the ouster of a corrupt PFF president, and have been to a few national team matches outside the country... thanks to forums such as this. What I'm saying is that I think I have a pretty good idea of the extent of the influence and power of the Filipino football fan.
Don't get me wrong, I love the discussions on this forum but I'm lucid and pragmatic enough to realize that most of these dialogues are at best a mere intellectual exercise. (We discuss tactics, preferred formations, preferred line-ups... but do we really think our discussions affect Weiss' decisions in the end?) We do it because it's fun.
We are not like other countries where the fans are given voice and allowed dialogue at the highest levels of football and can thus exert direct influence. Our contributions on this forum are paltry unless given voice and substance by forum members who are influential in mainstream media or at the administrative level of national football.
Wiking, my contention was this: why do we need to argue over the opinion of the national coach on whether a player is good enough for the NT or not? We don't pick the team, he does. Hence the word "fuss" - we can't worry about something that's out of our hands.
Sometimes I feel the administrators on this forum try to create a furor over something that, if given closer attention, might not mean so much in the end. But I don't blame them really because it's their job to create sustained points of interest on this forum and that's not an easy thing to do as this forum has demanding clientele!
There are times when the consensus of opinion in a forum may be a catalyst of change and there are also times when the discourses on the forum fade into white noise.
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Post by slayermoonlight on Jun 26, 2013 18:11:29 GMT 8
I was waiting to board a Tagbilaran flight in NAIA domestic terminal last May 2013. The boarding gates are full of people waiting for their respective flights, and among those throng is the entire Global FC team waiting for their Cebu flight. I never see anyone recognized even a single Azkal players present there. Instead, people are fuzzing over the NBA play-offs. Then another guy...
... nahhh never mind the story. Bottomline is yeah, Coach Weiss statement is brutal, cold, but true. Let's wait for Sandro Reyes to grow up and get capped by the Philippine National Team. Then we can say we have official produced a "pure local" star player.
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Post by johnmarki on Jun 26, 2013 23:53:58 GMT 8
Let's wait for Sandro Reyes to grow up and get capped by the Philippine National Team. Then we can say we have official produced a "pure local" star player. I disagree with your statement. Not all players who came from "La Masia" will turn out to be good players or worthy to be called up internationally. Instead of waiting for a "star" we should concentrate on supporting our "grassroots" program. Like supporting our local league(UFL). In that way, we can raise "stars".
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Post by Caz on Jun 27, 2013 18:49:02 GMT 8
Well, we can't NOT hope that Sandro Reyes will benefit from his training in Spain. We'll just have to wait and see. But from my view here in the trenches, grassroots programs are finally taking shape. It'll be many many years before we can see the fruits of these programs so players raised and trained abroad will have to suffice until that day comes.
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Post by veryfatchocobo on Jul 7, 2013 4:57:03 GMT 8
Here are my opinions with Sandro Reyes. He'll be the Jesus of future Pinoy football development regardless if he makes it or not. He will be already better than the others who play everyday in the Philippines because of the mentality he was raised in Barcelona regardless if he proceeds to play or not, much like Phil's situation when he went out of the Chelsea youth academy (still think he should've at least gone to the A-League as he was the special kid in their youth system at the time...). So yes, in terms of eating and breathing football, Weiss is absolutely 100% correct with the statement on the footballing mentality that the current local Pinoy players lack. Philippines is a basketball country after all. The Philippines itself should change their mentality on basketball but I have no right to give my opinions on the sporting culture of the Philippines........ Opinions are opinions after all....
The issue isn't waiting for Sandro to play for the national team. It should be about consistently making more Sandros out of the general Filipino population. This is where Weiss and the rest of the PFF should be thinking about, though I'm pretty sure Palami, etc. are already finding ways to do this (aka godsends of Pinoy football seriously!). The rest of the responsibility lies in the highest tier league in the Philippines (UFL or some other org making another league) to expand past Manila and getting them to actually play all over the Philippines consistently... or at least have different "highest" tier leagues in every region and have a central org (PFF) organize what they do (like AFC vs. NFC in the NFL). Or perhaps follow the PBA model.
I'd like to see Tagalog as the main language for the national team though. IMO, it's great that we have lots of "foreigners" put their heart on the team, but the organization should also be wary of every incoming player's actual cultural connection to the country, too. Football is all about identity especially at the national level, and in this way, the country's identity stays within the team. IMO, it would not be good for the team if the player in question can't recognize the Filipino languages or even recognize the most popular of Filipino foods (like Adobo..... or spamsilog LOL). This stuff causes cliques within teams, and this is especially bad in any national team, as if club affiliations don't already do this lol.
That said, the current crop of fil-foreigners IMO have given the Filipino identity to the team. And this team is definitely the best we've had in many years. I hope the future managers make use of the talented midfield which Weiss hasn't exactly done (nor will he ever lol). Also, I hope this part doesn't come off as bigoted.....
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Post by bisagunsa on Jul 19, 2013 13:38:41 GMT 8
i agree with C.MW.. without our Euro-based players, we can't win over vietnam nor get a draw with malaysia.. we need to eat, sleep,play football first just like thailand, indonesia.. and that's the reality
while developing new talents the like of sandro, we need to wait 5 to 10 more years and see the results of our U23, U19, etc
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Post by buddha on Aug 16, 2013 20:55:45 GMT 8
Learn well, Pancho Fernandez, learn well. www.insidetoronto.com/news-story/3917404-etobicoke-teen-off-to-spain-to-become-first-canadian-to-sign-with-malaga-fc-s-youth-division/------- The 14, 15, 16 year olds today are the generations we should keep our eyes on. They are going to be the link between the current crop of national players and the Sandro Reyes of the future. This link, this stopgap, is crucial. The current crop of national players are too old to influence (and that includes the Mark Hartmanns, the Porterias, the Angeleses) and the Sandro Reyeses are too young to bet on. We have to focus on the link between the present and the future. Pancho Fernandez and his generation better learn all they can while they still have time.
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Post by johnmarki on Aug 16, 2013 21:09:52 GMT 8
Don't get your hopes to high,you should also know that Sandro/Pancho could get other citizenship. Their is a possibility that they will decide not to play for us like Jonathan or David.
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Post by buddha on Aug 16, 2013 21:14:49 GMT 8
True that, johnmarki. But don't worry, I won't get my hopes up because I'm always cynical when it comes to football.
You know what, I would. At a drop of a hat, I would. But only if it meant playing for a national team that is a regular in the World Cup.
Would you?
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Post by johnmarki on Aug 16, 2013 22:36:03 GMT 8
True that, johnmarki. But don't worry, I won't get my hopes up because I'm always cynical when it comes to football. You know what, I would. At a drop of a hat, I would. But only if it meant playing for a national team that is a regular in the World Cup. Would you? I'm hopeful too that they will play for us 99%. I just have 1% doubt that they may not play for us. As you can see they are kids. If a kid grows up into another country, eventually they would categorize themselves as a citizen of that country. They are skillful kids being scouted by malaga and barcelona(sandro,pancho). I'm sure they would grow up to be world class players. I'm just afraid that, if they become successful they may be exploited. Like for example France exploiting the "african" players into joining the national team(ex. Zidane,(Algerian)). But anyways I wish this kids success in whatever path they take. I still support them if they may or may not play for the national team in the future.
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