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Post by stellarboy on Jul 24, 2013 22:28:49 GMT 8
Indonesia v Philippines on Aug 14, 7pm JKT (8pm MNL) at Manahan Stadium, Solo, Indonesia.
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Post by johnmarki on Jul 24, 2013 22:35:29 GMT 8
I'm glad that match is confirmed.the rivalry is on!..haha
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Post by materkush on Jul 25, 2013 1:15:12 GMT 8
hope they let shrock or patino play
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Post by strikerbon on Jul 25, 2013 5:30:56 GMT 8
i wonder who will be in the squad for this friendly. if i were Weiss i will only call-up the local players plus Patino and Reichelt
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Post by stellarboy on Jul 25, 2013 16:42:18 GMT 8
I won't be surprised if the Indonesian ultras go foul against the visiting Filipino fans there, like what happened in Hong Kong, especially if the Azkals win.
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Post by johnmarki on Jul 25, 2013 18:28:51 GMT 8
I won't be surprised if the Indonesian ultras go foul against the visiting Filipino fans there, like what happened in Hong Kong, especially if the Azkals win. that's what I hate about indonesian fans. They talk smack about our national team saying all our players are naturalized, when in fact their national team were the ones who naturalized players.
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Post by kuo24 on Jul 26, 2013 10:39:59 GMT 8
Hope it becomes a doubleheader to maximize the match date. Azkals U-23 vs IND U-23 and then Azkals vs. Indonesia.
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Post by veryfatchocobo on Jul 26, 2013 15:47:32 GMT 8
I won't be surprised if the Indonesian ultras go foul against the visiting Filipino fans there, like what happened in Hong Kong, especially if the Azkals win. that's what I hate about indonesian fans. They talk smack about our national team saying all our players are naturalized, when in fact their national team were the ones who naturalized players. It's very normal though... And our team isn't born and bred in the Philippines like theirs mostly is. That's why the SEA teams call foul play on us. Though, the only way to answer back is to shut them up with our football. They'd shut up if we had a set philosophy.
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Post by Ka Roger on Jul 26, 2013 22:02:52 GMT 8
I won't be surprised if the Indonesian ultras go foul against the visiting Filipino fans there, like what happened in Hong Kong, especially if the Azkals win. that's what I hate about indonesian fans. They talk smack about our national team saying all our players are naturalized, when in fact their national team were the ones who naturalized players. experienced this when we played Indonesia @ home last June 5, 2012. Nearly turned into a ruck. Well, me mga natutunan ako sa experience na iyon. Dapat hindi ka ignorante sa pupuntahan mong venue if ever you play away, kahit miski nga at home. eh better prepare to enter the 'hornet's nest' kesa pumasok sa lugar na pahappy-happy, taking anything for granted. What happened dun sa Hong Kong eh, the Power of Hong Kong, ung sinasabing nang-abuso sa Pinoy dun, eh iyon pa iyong nag invite sa mga (don't wanna name them) via FB if ever kung me dadating na crowd galing pinas. Dun sa possible crowd sa Solo, it can only one thing, Persis Solo's Pasoepati will be there, or hindi. Pero I've been told by my mates from Selangor Casuals, a malaysian firm that I have been in contact to, that Indonesians are fiercely nationalist. So ano ibig sabihin nun? It's either Pasoepati lads ang nandun or baka mga ibang firms pa ng mga ISL teams ang dadating, which means hell to experience sa Solo. Basta iyong nangyari sa Hong Kong eh one ignorant group entered a lion's den not knowing kung gano ka hostile ang crowd dun. Sheeps into slaughter daw. Pero wala pa sa kalingkingan ng mga taga Indonesia ang mga taga Hong Kong. Kung me mga ultras dito sa pinas at tinatawag nang Hooligan ng mga iyan eh, ano pa kaya sa Indonesia. Besides burgis ang reputation ng mga taga Hong Kong.
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Post by johnmarki on Jul 27, 2013 17:55:58 GMT 8
that's what I hate about indonesian fans. They talk smack about our national team saying all our players are naturalized, when in fact their national team were the ones who naturalized players. experienced this when we played Indonesia @ home last June 5, 2012. Nearly turned into a ruck. Well, me mga natutunan ako sa experience na iyon. Dapat hindi ka ignorante sa pupuntahan mong venue if ever you play away, kahit miski nga at home. eh better prepare to enter the 'hornet's nest' kesa pumasok sa lugar na pahappy-happy, taking anything for granted. What happened dun sa Hong Kong eh, the Power of Hong Kong, ung sinasabing nang-abuso sa Pinoy dun, eh iyon pa iyong nag invite sa mga (don't wanna name them) via FB if ever kung me dadating na crowd galing pinas. Dun sa possible crowd sa Solo, it can only one thing, Persis Solo's Pasoepati will be there, or hindi. Pero I've been told by my mates from Selangor Casuals, a malaysian firm that I have been in contact to, that Indonesians are fiercely nationalist. So ano ibig sabihin nun? It's either Pasoepati lads ang nandun or baka mga ibang firms pa ng mga ISL teams ang dadating, which means hell to experience sa Solo. Basta iyong nangyari sa Hong Kong eh one ignorant group entered a lion's den not knowing kung gano ka hostile ang crowd dun. Sheeps into slaughter daw. Pero wala pa sa kalingkingan ng mga taga Indonesia ang mga taga Hong Kong. Kung me mga ultras dito sa pinas at tinatawag nang Hooligan ng mga iyan eh, ano pa kaya sa Indonesia. Besides burgis ang reputation ng mga taga Hong Kong. ano yung difference ng ultras at firms?.
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Post by Ka Roger on Jul 27, 2013 22:17:01 GMT 8
experienced this when we played Indonesia @ home last June 5, 2012. Nearly turned into a ruck. Well, me mga natutunan ako sa experience na iyon. Dapat hindi ka ignorante sa pupuntahan mong venue if ever you play away, kahit miski nga at home. eh better prepare to enter the 'hornet's nest' kesa pumasok sa lugar na pahappy-happy, taking anything for granted. What happened dun sa Hong Kong eh, the Power of Hong Kong, ung sinasabing nang-abuso sa Pinoy dun, eh iyon pa iyong nag invite sa mga (don't wanna name them) via FB if ever kung me dadating na crowd galing pinas. Dun sa possible crowd sa Solo, it can only one thing, Persis Solo's Pasoepati will be there, or hindi. Pero I've been told by my mates from Selangor Casuals, a malaysian firm that I have been in contact to, that Indonesians are fiercely nationalist. So ano ibig sabihin nun? It's either Pasoepati lads ang nandun or baka mga ibang firms pa ng mga ISL teams ang dadating, which means hell to experience sa Solo. Basta iyong nangyari sa Hong Kong eh one ignorant group entered a lion's den not knowing kung gano ka hostile ang crowd dun. Sheeps into slaughter daw. Pero wala pa sa kalingkingan ng mga taga Indonesia ang mga taga Hong Kong. Kung me mga ultras dito sa pinas at tinatawag nang Hooligan ng mga iyan eh, ano pa kaya sa Indonesia. Besides burgis ang reputation ng mga taga Hong Kong. ano yung difference ng ultras at firms?. Eto, imma share my own definition of firms or ultras. Ultras- Ang mga ultras eh term yan used outside England pertaining to supporters who are vocal in the terraces in terms of support to their team. They use tifos/pyro/choreo displays every match in support of their club. Firms-Eto iyong term na mostly used ng mga ingles. Eto iyong mga groups ng mga hools on late 70s to 80s na nabuo to fight other firms. If you watched Gary Oldman's The Firm or Elijah Wood's Green Street, ito ang mga classic examples ng films about this topic. you can summarize their life into a motto: Football, F***ing, Fighting. If you heard of West Ham's Inter City Firm or Leeds' Service Crew, eto ung examples ng mga firms. Main Difference between Ultras groups and Hooligan firmsNagblur kasi definition ng ultras groups at ng firms kasi the english kept using the word 'firm' sa mga ultras. Lalo na if you watched Danny Dyer's Real Football Factories International, nag-interchange na iyong meaning ng ultras at ng mga firms. In reality, ang laki ng pinag-iba ng mga hools sa ultras. Una, iyong way of support nila. Firms are always under-the-cover kung susuporta, they always keep low profile dahil sa nature nila. They are there to fight other firms. Ultras, on the other hand, mas flamboyant sila sa pagsuporta, sabi ko nga, they use tifos/pyroshows/choreo in support sa clubs. Pero they can turn to hools if agitated, antagonized or provoked. Pero if you ask the ultras scene dito sa SEA, medyo peaceful pa tayo compared sa iba. Sa Indonesia lang, ibang klase na mga grupo dun. War-freaks ang mga indonesians if you ask my opinion. hoho. Pati nga definition ng firms dito, iba narin eh, Iyong firms dito sa southeast asia, mainly concentrated on private groups of individuals supporting a club that sport the casual football fashion, meaning they follow the football casual culture ng england. Wearing Adidas, Fred Perrys or Burberrys or any designer clothing associated with the casual hooligan nature ng Great Britain. Pero they aren't generally hooligans. dito. I've been conversing with my fellow lads sa mga malaysian firms na alam ko, they ain't the fighting types you see in england,they're the lads that are ok IRL, they are just a bunch of lads wanting to be different from the mainstream supporters, parang ang nangyari, they sport the fashion as a kind of uniform distinguishing them between other supporters. Meron ding hybrid, mga ultras-casual. me 'casual' uniform sila but they act like ultras in terms of support. If you're in the know lalo na sa scene na to, makikita mo iyong infusion ng mga euro culture in terms sa support dito cheers. (wew ang haba)
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Post by johnmarki on Jul 28, 2013 17:24:27 GMT 8
ano yung difference ng ultras at firms?. Eto, imma share my own definition of firms or ultras. Ultras- Ang mga ultras eh term yan used outside England pertaining to supporters who are vocal in the terraces in terms of support to their team. They use tifos/pyro/choreo displays every match in support of their club. Firms-Eto iyong term na mostly used ng mga ingles. Eto iyong mga groups ng mga hools on late 70s to 80s na nabuo to fight other firms. If you watched Gary Oldman's The Firm or Elijah Wood's Green Street, ito ang mga classic examples ng films about this topic. you can summarize their life into a motto: Football, F***ing, Fighting. If you heard of West Ham's Inter City Firm or Leeds' Service Crew, eto ung examples ng mga firms. Main Difference between Ultras groups and Hooligan firmsNagblur kasi definition ng ultras groups at ng firms kasi the english kept using the word 'firm' sa mga ultras. Lalo na if you watched Danny Dyer's Real Football Factories International, nag-interchange na iyong meaning ng ultras at ng mga firms. In reality, ang laki ng pinag-iba ng mga hools sa ultras. Una, iyong way of support nila. Firms are always under-the-cover kung susuporta, they always keep low profile dahil sa nature nila. They are there to fight other firms. Ultras, on the other hand, mas flamboyant sila sa pagsuporta, sabi ko nga, they use tifos/pyroshows/choreo in support sa clubs. Pero they can turn to hools if agitated, antagonized or provoked. Pero if you ask the ultras scene dito sa SEA, medyo peaceful pa tayo compared sa iba. Sa Indonesia lang, ibang klase na mga grupo dun. War-freaks ang mga indonesians if you ask my opinion. hoho. Pati nga definition ng firms dito, iba narin eh, Iyong firms dito sa southeast asia, mainly concentrated on private groups of individuals supporting a club that sport the casual football fashion, meaning they follow the football casual culture ng england. Wearing Adidas, Fred Perrys or Burberrys or any designer clothing associated with the casual hooligan nature ng Great Britain. Pero they aren't generally hooligans. dito. I've been conversing with my fellow lads sa mga malaysian firms na alam ko, they ain't the fighting types you see in england,they're the lads that are ok IRL, they are just a bunch of lads wanting to be different from the mainstream supporters, parang ang nangyari, they sport the fashion as a kind of uniform distinguishing them between other supporters. Meron ding hybrid, mga ultras-casual. me 'casual' uniform sila but they act like ultras in terms of support. If you're in the know lalo na sa scene na to, makikita mo iyong infusion ng mga euro culture in terms sa support dito cheers. (wew ang haba) thanks..for the info now i know.hehe cheers too!.
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Post by Caz on Jul 29, 2013 23:02:25 GMT 8
Hm, no matter the opponent, Filipino or otherwise, Indonesia has a passionate home crowd, to say the least. The Azkals have faced a packed 80,000-seater Gelora Bung Karno already. They'll do fine. Sure, they'll rip your national anthem apart. They'll light fireworks during it too. But the thing is, they do it to pretty much every visiting national team! So if it does happen during this friendly, don't worry, it happens to everyone. It may not be right but it doesn't mean they're doing it just because the Azkals are Filipinos. Anyone remember this? You can't even hear our anthem! There were some Filipino fans in attendance. Didn't hear any horror stories though.
The topic on their understanding of our players' nationality has been discussed before. It's hard for them to grasp the concept of dual citizenship because they just don't have such a thing. The closest thing they have is naturalization, hence the misunderstanding.
All the same, if there are any Filipino fans watching the match live, be safe!
On another note, I'm glad this friendly is happening. It feels like prolonged stretches of time between Azkals games lately. Getting major withdrawal syndrome.
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Post by dingodile5 on Aug 2, 2013 9:09:53 GMT 8
Azkals test new talents in Indonesia friendlyBy Cedelf P. Tupas Philippine Daily Inquirer 11:03 pm | Thursday, August 1st, 2013 The Philippines, hoping to build a stronger core of talents, gets a chance to test new players when it visits Indonesia for an international friendly on Aug. 14 at Manahan Stadium in Solo, Central Java. National team manager Dan Palami hinted at calling up the standouts of the PH Under-23 side to suit up for the Azkals, whose next major tournament won’t come until March next year in the AFC Challenge Cup in the Maldives. Among those in the short list of candidates are goalkeeper Patrick Deyto and midfielders Paolo Bugas and Mark Hartmann, who hasn’t played for the national team since September 2011 in the Long Teng Cup. Deyto, a former La Salle player, is considered one of the best homegrown goalkeepers, while Bugas and Hartmann were impressive for the Under-23 side in its clash with the United Football League All-Stars last month. “We want to test some new players, who could also help us in the future,” said Palami. “The friendly is a good chance to develop talents.” The Under-23 players are preparing for the Southeast Asian Games in Myanmar, although the Philippine Olympic Committee and the Philippine Sports Commission have yet to approve their stint in the biennial games. Palami said only a couple of Europe-based Azkals— Angel Guirado and defender Rob Gier, who skippered the squad in the 1-0 triumph over Hong Kong last June—will be called up. It will be the fourth meeting between the Philippines and Indonesia since 2010, when the Azkals made the Suzuki Cup semifinals only to bow to the Mera Putih, 0-2, on aggregate. The Azkals and Mera Putih battled to a tense 2-2 draw in Manila in June 2012 that saw three players get red cards. Chieffy Caligdong and Phil and James Younghusband will still lead the Azkals, who have steadily improved their Fifa ranking in the past two years. The Azkals are now perched at No. 144, the second-ranked team in the region behind Thailand. Read more: sports.inquirer.net/112283/azkals-test-new-talents-in-indonesia-friendly#ixzz2almfko5TFollow us: @inquirerdotnet on Twitter | inquirerdotnet on Facebook
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Post by warsaw on Aug 2, 2013 16:16:27 GMT 8
So I guess this rules out Juani Guirado, schrock, cagara, molders, and etheridge playing
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