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Post by tipo on Dec 29, 2013 19:23:38 GMT 8
Since when is the coach responsible for purchasing plane tickets? There is a reason that Dan P. requested autonomy from the PFF for the Azkals. He did not trust them. History has shown that the PFF may promise to pay for airfare, but they really have no intention to do so for the WNT. Then Ernie should refrain from doing so because when a person assume a task it becomes his responsibilty. His tweets would show that he was or with the one booking/purchasing some of these girls tickets.
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Post by SpaceSocaPlayaX on Dec 30, 2013 21:49:13 GMT 8
The current talent in the WNT pool is really too good to pass up. Look at how they reinvigorated women's football! I do hope things get worked out. Those ladies are freakin' heroes. The idea of Joana Houplin (2013 AFF Women's Championships leading goal scorer), Marisa Park, Jesse Shugg, Megan Jurado, Raylene Larot, Monika Lee, and others never playing for the PWNT again....Man! That really sucks.
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Post by macduff on Dec 31, 2013 2:03:00 GMT 8
As Caz pointed out, even the Younghusbands have had disputes with the PFF over airfare. It is not Ernie's responsibility to pull out his personal credit card and pay for 15 return airfares from North America. If it was nobody would ever take the job. This is not a new problem. What has changed is that these young women have smart phones, facebook, and twitter accounts and their issues with the PFF and WNT become instantly public. The silence from the PFF is because they are not used to having the shabby way that national team members are treated, revealed.
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Post by dafmaerojas on Dec 31, 2013 4:08:53 GMT 8
Macduff, sounds to me like you want Nierras to continue on as WNT head coach.
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Post by macduff on Dec 31, 2013 12:36:51 GMT 8
I want what is best for the WNT. Replacing a coach because the PFF, once again, has screwed up the national team's air fare makes no sense. I do not want a coach who has no experience coaching North American players at a high level. I do not care if local players or coaches are not cooperating with the WNT. They should stick to their college teams. They are not good enough. The Azkals have a coach funded by the Germans. The PFF should tell the DFB that unless they are also prepared to drop their sexist attitudes and assist the Malditas they can take their men's coach back. There are some former Malditas with Australian and US certification. They might be a logical choice. And yes. Since the coach will not get paid, and will be expected to cover their own and some team expenses, having independent wealth is a prerequisite. I would love to have an experienced full time professional North American or European trained coach. I have no interest in bringing in a local coach. Since there is no funding for a coach and no local coach is qualified, I guess that means that Ernie stays on. At least he can sponsor the team and pay a few bills .
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Post by Caz on Dec 31, 2013 14:25:31 GMT 8
I do believe the PFF back in the days that caused the Younghusbands' hiatus is a very different organization from what it is in this post-2010 era. While there are significant improvements, I do feel they are still fumbling about on some aspects... most especially how they handle both traditional and online media.
That being said, it's not clear to me who was responsible for the team's airline tickets. I'm not even sure who pays for the Men's team's airfare. That's the tough thing about managing national teams like clubs (i.e. the "Azkals" and "Malditas"), it's not clear to the general masses who is responsible for what.
Going back to the Women's team's success earlier this year, the team went through several camps, tournaments, and friendlies both here and in the US. They were very very prepared and their training was well-documented even here in Usapang Football and it all paid off. Prior to the SEA Games, I didn't see preparations that were as extensive. Sure, the team was distracted by the nonsense of the PSC and POC. That's a definite factor. It's tough to give it your all preparing for a tournament you're not even sure of entering at all. So preparations were off from the start.
This, however, doesn't excuse everything that happened after the SEA Games. What a mess. Coach Ernie, the PFF, the players and their families, and everyone else involved with the PWNT do need to talk things over and make sure this kind of fiasco doesn't happen again.
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Post by SpaceSocaPlayaX on Dec 31, 2013 22:08:09 GMT 8
Who the hell said anything about firing Nierras because of the airline ticket fiasco? He should fired because he underachieved as the head coach..plain and simple. Senior National Team level football is "results-oriented". It's about getting the results and he failed to meet those expectations at the AFC, AFF, and SEAG. Worse yet, he lost the players' respect. Because Nierras has all this coaching experience and knowledge, right? Give me a break. Quit acting like Nierras is some sort of coaching guru. He's nothing short of an AYSO coach. The SEAG campaign was living proof of that. If my memory serves me correctly, didn't the Pinay Futbol All-Stars, a team comprised of UAAP collegiate players, tie the Philippine Women's National team 1-1 at the Emperador Stadium back on September 1st? So for you to say that they aren't good enough is totally ignorant. By the way, Coach Buda Bautista was coaching the PF All-Stars for that game and only had 3 training sessions to prepare while Nierras already had 4 weeks of preparations with the WNT. That my friend is coaching. Maximizing the talent of the players you have at your disposal.
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Post by SpaceSocaPlayaX on Dec 31, 2013 22:11:55 GMT 8
This, however, doesn't excuse everything that happened after the SEA Games. What a mess. Coach Ernie, the PFF, the players and their families, and everyone else involved with the PWNT do need to talk things over and make sure this kind of fiasco doesn't happen again. I'm afraid that ship has sailed. In all honesty, I think the bigger mess was "during" and "before" the SEA Games as oppose to "after" the SEA Games. The rift in the locker room between the players and coach.
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Post by macduff on Dec 31, 2013 22:29:45 GMT 8
The airfare problem is not new. The PFF is responsible. They cannot even keep a website going. They know that WNT players' airfare has become a public issue. I am waiting to hear their excuse.
The majority of the starters on the WNT are attending university in the US. They can attend camps in the spring and summer but they are committed student athletes in the fall. Not only do they have games to play for their universities in the fall, they have exams in December. They will not be available for the AFF in September and will be arriving at last minute for SEA Games in December. They cannot come three weeks early to train for the SEA Games.
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Post by macduff on Dec 31, 2013 22:35:48 GMT 8
I am not saying Ernie is a coaching guru. As per the above post, on September 1, 2013, the best Malditas were in the USA playing in the NCAA not in Manila playing against the Pinay Futbal All-Stars.
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Post by SpaceSocaPlayaX on Dec 31, 2013 23:07:29 GMT 8
The majority of the starters on the WNT are attending university in the US. They can attend camps in the spring and summer but they are committed student athletes in the fall. Not only do they have games to play for their universities in the fall, they have exams in December. They will not be available for the AFF in September and will be arriving at last minute for SEA Games in December. They cannot come three weeks early to train for the SEA Games. The NCAA Women's Soccer Season has been running from August to early December for DECADES. Many many decades. That is nothing new. For Nierras and the PFF to somehow think they could talk the college coaches into letting their players leave for 3 weeks while the NCAA season is underway...that's just plain idiotic. For them not to have a backup plan...That's strictly on THEM. I have no sympathy for poor planning measures. Personally, I don't care if the WNT had a team of U14 US-based pool players. They should've won that game irregardless. Any other coach would have gotten the job done. That's too much talent to fail with.
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Post by dafmaerojas on Jan 1, 2014 0:10:45 GMT 8
The majority of the starters on the WNT are attending university in the US. They can attend camps in the spring and summer but they are committed student athletes in the fall. Not only do they have games to play for their universities in the fall, they have exams in December. They will not be available for the AFF in September and will be arriving at last minute for SEA Games in December. They cannot come three weeks early to train for the SEA Games. This is the reason that the team needs a foundation (16 homegrown players that train together regularly). Right now, they only have 6 local players on the roster. It doesn't take a genius to know that's not enough.
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Post by brimstone on Jan 2, 2014 6:05:11 GMT 8
I want what is best for the WNT. Replacing a coach because the PFF, once again, has screwed up the national team's air fare makes no sense. I do not want a coach who has no experience coaching North American players at a high level. I do not care if local players or coaches are not cooperating with the WNT. They should stick to their college teams. They are not good enough. The Azkals have a coach funded by the Germans. The PFF should tell the DFB that unless they are also prepared to drop their sexist attitudes and assist the Malditas they can take their men's coach back. There are some former Malditas with Australian and US certification. They might be a logical choice. And yes. Since the coach will not get paid, and will be expected to cover their own and some team expenses, having independent wealth is a prerequisite. I would love to have an experienced full time professional North American or European trained coach. I have no interest in bringing in a local coach. Since there is no funding for a coach and no local coach is qualified, I guess that means that Ernie stays on. At least he can sponsor the team and pay a few bills . Sexist?!? Oh save it! An association such as the German FA assisting us is not their obligation! Surely that's a given?! So any form of assistance especially a NT coach for FREE is a bonus! If the PFF wanted to get a similar package for the women, it's up to them to look elsewhere, if none, then it's again up to them to raise the funds to get that! There's nothing sexist or degrading for women about this!!
As for Nierras, a coach having substantial wealth to cover a team's expenses should never be a prerequisite (if it is for the PWNT then things are really messed up to say the least). However, if Nierras (and maybe even Alquiros?) is still more than willing to use his own money to finance the team then that's fine and it's all on him. It shouldn't be used as a means to justify his position as head coach when he's failed miserably since taking over!
In 2011, ahead of the AFF Women's C'ship he said that the WNT needed a foreign coach to really improve. He was also supposedly on his way to finding his replacement (a foreign coach). Yet few years later Nierras is still at the helm!! So again, if he wants to financially support the WNT, that's all good, just do it from the sideline and not as the head coach!
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Post by Caz on Jan 2, 2014 11:31:16 GMT 8
I want what is best for the WNT. Replacing a coach because the PFF, once again, has screwed up the national team's air fare makes no sense. I do not want a coach who has no experience coaching North American players at a high level. I do not care if local players or coaches are not cooperating with the WNT. They should stick to their college teams. They are not good enough. The Azkals have a coach funded by the Germans. The PFF should tell the DFB that unless they are also prepared to drop their sexist attitudes and assist the Malditas they can take their men's coach back. There are some former Malditas with Australian and US certification. They might be a logical choice. And yes. Since the coach will not get paid, and will be expected to cover their own and some team expenses, having independent wealth is a prerequisite. I would love to have an experienced full time professional North American or European trained coach. I have no interest in bringing in a local coach. Since there is no funding for a coach and no local coach is qualified, I guess that means that Ernie stays on. At least he can sponsor the team and pay a few bills . Sexist?!? Oh save it! An association such as the German FA assisting us is not their obligation! Surely that's a given?! So any form of assistance especially a NT coach for FREE is a bonus! If the PFF wanted to get a similar package for the women, it's up to them to look elsewhere, if none, then it's again up to them to raise the funds to get that! There's nothing sexist or degrading for women about this!!
As for Nierras, a coach having substantial wealth to cover a team's expenses should never be a prerequisite (if it is for the PWNT then things are really messed up to say the least). However, if Nierras (and maybe even Alquiros?) is still more than willing to use his own money to finance the team then that's fine and it's all on him. It shouldn't be used as a means to justify his position as head coach when he's failed miserably since taking over!
In 2011, ahead of the AFF Women's C'ship he said that the WNT needed a foreign coach to really improve. He was also supposedly on his way to finding his replacement (a foreign coach). Yet few years later Nierras is still at the helm!! So again, if he wants to financially support the WNT, that's all good, just do it from the sideline and not as the head coach!
I agree. It's the way it is with the current funds that the PFF has. It does have to depend on aid from external sources like the DFB, Palami, or Nierras for any progress to continue. Whether that should be the case is arguable but right now the national teams are financially managed near-autonomously from the PFF. Had that not been the case we'd probably still be languishing in perpetual mediocrity. But coaching is a different matter. Considering the strong ties we have with the US, which many consider to be the most powerful country in women's football, it's strange to me that the PFF hasn't capitalized more on that or at least more opportunities hasn't risen.
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Post by nogoal on Jan 2, 2014 16:44:59 GMT 8
Who the hell said anything about firing Nierras because of the airline ticket fiasco? He should fired because he underachieved as the head coach..plain and simple. Senior National Team level football is "results-oriented". It's about getting the results and he failed to meet those expectations at the AFC, AFF, and SEAG. Worse yet, he lost the players' respect. Because Nierras has all this coaching experience and knowledge, right? Give me a break. Quit acting like Nierras is some sort of coaching guru. He's nothing short of an AYSO coach. The SEAG campaign was living proof of that. It seems you have major discord with Nierras, did he not select your daughter or something? Just seems like your venom runs deep for wanting to terminate a coach who doesn't get paid. Also, your delusional if you think local players can defeat US trained Fil-Am women D1 players.
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