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Post by ptrfootball on Sept 10, 2014 16:01:46 GMT 8
I promise you football will become very popular here in the Philippines. The way it's going... just fine. Once the Gilas start to not winning again... let see. And once coach Dooley perfects that game plane that he want the team to play. And the Azkals start winning again you'll see. And then we have the UFL come in and making known to other Filipinos that we have a football semi pro league. Then! you'll see.... I promise you that you'll regret what you said.
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Post by kuo24 on Sept 10, 2014 20:01:59 GMT 8
It doesn't have to be a competition between football and basketball. We can excel in both. Pitting the Azkals against Gilas is short-sightedly counterproductive.
Going back to the topic of the Peace Cup, the level of competition isn't as high as pundits drummed it up to be. The Palestine team missed a lot of its players. Myanmar fielded a hybrid squad composed mostly of youngsters while Chinese-Taipei had a borderline U-23 squad. That just highlights how troubling that finals loss was, considering we fileded a squad that will be identical to the Suzuki Cup line-up.
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Post by ptrfootball on Sept 10, 2014 20:33:05 GMT 8
It doesn't have to be a competition between football and basketball. We can excel in both. Pitting the Azkals against Gilas is short-sightedly counterproductive. Going back to the topic of the Peace Cup, the level of competition isn't as high as pundits drummed it up to be. The Palestine team missed a lot of its players. Myanmar fielded a hybrid squad composed mostly of youngsters while Chinese-Taipei had a borderline U-23 squad. That just highlights how troubling that finals loss was, considering we fileded a squad that will be identical to the Suzuki Cup line-up. I know it doesn't have to be a competition between football and basketball. Basketball is already up there when it comes to popularity. In the period of time we have to understand between basketball and considering football just became popular again it's actually no match. Basketball deserve where it is right now and it is because of hard work and time. While football is still young and only now being organize again. Yes no match and people who compare this because of who's more popular is just out right nonsense and wast of time. We all should be helping out each other instant of comparing. I mean who or what are we bringing honor to? Philippines. That's why I said what I said that some day football will be up there too.
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Post by mrpmosh on Sept 11, 2014 13:31:21 GMT 8
Even if football gets to be as popular as basketball, fans need to know they can coexist and you can be fan of both, or one or the other, without having to HATE the other sport.
In Mexico basketball fans are usually football fans too, but Baseball fans in the northwest usually snob football and always talk down of its fans, but the worse ones are usually gridiron fans here... that attitude just make the casual fan to get away from the sport so they don't have to deal with that kind of fanbase so it's working against their own sport.
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Post by ptrfootball on Sept 11, 2014 15:06:44 GMT 8
Let's just be a fan of both sports. Or better still let's be fans of sport that brings honor to the Philippines.
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Post by thekerouac82 on Sept 12, 2014 16:29:16 GMT 8
not only that, you can also notice that the newspapers have "smaller" report on their sports pages for the Azkals compared to the Gilas' games. I disagree with you. You'll see... One day football will become number one sport here in the Philippines. I'll make sure to that! Nothing against basketball. I love the game too. But you see.. Basketball is not for everyone. You need to be tall. Whereas in football height doesn't matter. As long as your good and skillful at the game your in. Same thing. You conveniently forgot that it was not just Blatche and Fajardo who contributed for Gilas, but smaller guys like Alapag and Tenorio. If it wasn't for Alapag's shooting, we would've been blown out of the water by Argentina. And Argentina, save for a few players, are just an inch or two taller than Gilas across the board, but are ranked very highly by FIBA. Senegal was way taller. I think they had at least two or three seven-footers in the roster. In the end, though, it was Alapag (and sige na nga, Fajardo) who did them in. The point of this post is that yes, Filipinos would always be undersized (despite the proliferation of tall, rangy wingmen and combo forwards like Kobe Paras, Ray Parks, and Japeth Aguilar), but the talent pool is so wide and deep that we are capable of putting together a competitive national basketball team any given year. This "football is THE sport for Filipinos" crap is part of what's keeping Filipino football in the doldrums -- there is a sort of grim and determined nature in promoting the sport that it almost seems like no fun to a Filipino sporting community that applauds speed and power. About the Peace Cup -- too bad the international match windows just happened to take place during the biggest basketball tournament that the Philippines has participated in in recent memory. And on weekdays too! If we do win the Suzuki Cup, the crowds will come back. But it will be gradual compared to 2010-11. Filipino crowds want the bigger opponents and they want a winning team to cheer for. Gilas has faced the #3 and #5 teams in the world and have fought them tooth and nail. When will the Azkals ever see a friendly against the likes of Iran or Japan, both FIFA World Cup qualifiers? On the plus side, though, the youth movement is starting. I would've liked Schrock and Neil in there, but there some things that are out of control.
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Post by mike fil montz on Sept 13, 2014 11:20:39 GMT 8
If I have the chance to see both fajardo and reichelt in a mall in cebu. I'll shake both their hands, have the kraken sign my cap, and patrick sign my shirt. Its always good to have a mix of both worlds. just sayin'
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Post by paulino19 on Sept 14, 2014 3:34:29 GMT 8
I have not been on this board for a few years and have decided to chime in on this basketball v football debate, which will always surface, no matter what. I do agree that promoting football as THE sport for Filipinos is the wrong way to go ... at least for now. Simply because the Azkals have been overhyped to the point where people expect them to win matches and tournaments that they should just be learning from the experience, considering the limited pool of talent they have. Philippine football still has a long way to go. The bandwagon jumpers have now made their exit, and the true supporters are the ones left standing. Empty Rizal is a testament to that. These are all part of the growing pains of resurrecting football in a country where 5-foot-5 males believe they can actually play a sport made for someone a full foot taller. This ridiculous mentality of "basketball being a religion" in the Philippines is ingrained. It's quite laughable because when you ask Westerners what sport they believe is most popular in the Philippines, some have said badminton. So, I guess our belief that we are tops in basketball kind of goes out the window? The only people who care that Filipinos play basketball ... are sadly Filipinos. We are all convinced that we have some kind of reputation to uphold in the basketball community. When the reality is that no one cares. Worse, the rest of the world doesn't even know. I laugh whenever I read this garbage that we are a traditional powerhouse in basketball in Asia. Well, yes ... because no one else takes it seriously and funnels all their resources to sports like football. Of course, we're the kings of the Asian basketball. It's easy to say you're number one ... when you're the ONLY one. I like this: filipinosaretooshortforbasketball.wordpress.com
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Post by ptrfootball on Sept 14, 2014 16:27:38 GMT 8
Yes, well said paulino19 whoever you are. I too saw the FIBA World Cup games on TV. I notice Not all the seats were fill or taken during the games. Even when USA was playing there were a lot of empty seats around. It's obvious the sport is not really as popular as of that of football in the world.
Here in the US, AmericanFootball is more popular that basketball. The stadiums are always full and bigger. I like volleyball and I like what I saw during the league in the PI and the croweds are getting bigger. We need that kind of sport too.
Kasi we focused or concentrate so much on one game and we forget about the others. Take for example baseball, what about it? We use to be better then Taiwan or as good as them. Now we are even loosing to Thailand.
What's my point. It's this... We should encourage all sport and support them. I forgot we're also doing good in rugby. A lot of Filipinos don't know that. Some even never heard of the game. We can excel in that sport to.
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Post by johnmarki on Sept 14, 2014 19:58:37 GMT 8
Yes, well said paulino19 whoever you are. I too saw the FIBA World Cup games on TV. I notice Not all the seats were fill or taken during the games. Even when USA was playing there were a lot of empty seats around. It's obvious the sport is not really as popular as of that of football in the world. Here in the US, AmericanFootball is more popular that basketball. The stadiums are always full and bigger. I like volleyball and I like what I saw during the league in the PI and the croweds are getting bigger. We need that kind of sport too. Kasi we focused or concentrate so much on one game and we forget about the others. Take for example baseball, what about it? We use to be better then Taiwan or as good as them. Now we are even loosing to Thailand. What's my point. It's this... We should encourage all sport and support them. I forgot we're also doing good in rugby. A lot of Filipinos don't know that. Some even never heard of the game. We can excel in that sport to. I think the problem is..we as a pinoy have always been "stereotype" minded. For example the other day, we played 5 a side football with a "makeshift" goal post in my province. We invite some guys over but they said "pang mayaman lang yan, mga puti lang naglalaro nyan...mag-basketball nalang kami". I think if we have a "manny pacquiao" equivalent for football, who came from poverty and have success. I think more kids or people will be encourage to take a chance on trying football.
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Post by Jeki on Sept 15, 2014 2:08:30 GMT 8
^ when I was in province, we played football with some guys out there,though the grass isn't that good..
Let's just respect them if they don't want the sport, then so be it... just like what you said, a lot of filipino's are stereotype.. It's hard to please them, let's just hope that azkals win a tournament coz a lot of pinoys are just a typical bandwagoner,they salute you when you win, but they trash you when you lose
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Post by thekerouac82 on Sept 16, 2014 12:01:43 GMT 8
Yes, well said paulino19 whoever you are. I too saw the FIBA World Cup games on TV. I notice Not all the seats were fill or taken during the games. Even when USA was playing there were a lot of empty seats around. It's obvious the sport is not really as popular as of that of football in the world. Here in the US, AmericanFootball is more popular that basketball. The stadiums are always full and bigger. I like volleyball and I like what I saw during the league in the PI and the croweds are getting bigger. We need that kind of sport too. Kasi we focused or concentrate so much on one game and we forget about the others. Take for example baseball, what about it? We use to be better then Taiwan or as good as them. Now we are even loosing to Thailand. What's my point. It's this... We should encourage all sport and support them. I forgot we're also doing good in rugby. A lot of Filipinos don't know that. Some even never heard of the game. We can excel in that sport to. My point here is that Pinoys are inherently good at basketball, to the point where we can make up for the lack of size with a bit of luck and fast, entertaining style of play. So what if football is still #1 in terms of popularity elsewhere? One can't force football on everyone. The PFF and its stakeholders have to be cariñoso about promoting the game, not pit the game head-on with basketball. In the U.S., American football and basketball do not share the same seasons. Sure, they overlap, but once bowl season is done, March Madness and the NBA playoffs take over. For the longest time, the PBA and collegiate leagues were not really the biggest shows in town; they were the only shows in town. It's unfair to blame basketball for the struggles of a sport that has only begun its ascent yet now wants to topple the rulers from the perch. It's one thing to say, "Hey guys, you can play football in the street", another to shout "HOY MGA G*G* WALANG KUWENTA ANG BASKETBOL NINYO". In all fairness to other sports, they have long been in the national consciousness but have just recently begun their renaissance. Volleyball was a sport exclusively for girls and bekis -- then Heartstrong (and the unisex fandom that came with it) happened. People knew about Luisito Espinosa -- then some baker's aide from Gensan took the world by storm. It just so happened that the Lady Eagles and Lady Spikers enjoyed a rivalry transcending the court and that Pacquiao had boatloads of charisma. One couldn't say the same for badminton (who here remembers the Asuncion siblings? Me neither) and rugby (far too removed from the public eye, very few local clubs). To be blunt about it, our standing in baseball hasn't gone up or down in recent years. Chinese Taipei has pretty much dominated us lately, but we are still kings of Southeast Asia. And it isn't a dying sport. One can walk around Marikina and Pasig and see ballfields in use. Smart(!) sponsored the DLSU men's baseball team that finished second to Ateneo last season. I am not sure how Matt Laurel will attract the crowds like the Younghusbands do, but that sport has a lot of potential. And the good part is they are not promoting it as an anti-basketball the way a lot of people do for football. It simply is baseball. Sports does not need to be a zero-sum exercise in the Philippines. One can promote one's chosen sport without having to denigrate others, including those where we have actually shown results. And this paulino19 character here comes and says that it doesn't matter if the only people that care about Philippine basketball are Pinoys. Of course it matters! That's why we play the game! And it's not true that Pinoys are the only Asians who take their basketball seriously -- tell that to Yao Ming and a billion other people in China! To be fair to him, though, basketball is nowhere near #1 in terms of popularity in most of Asia. But you know where else football can't be number one because of other sports? Japan (baseball). South Korea (baseball). Chinese Taipei (baseball). Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh (cricket). Yet you don't see anyone bashing basketball, or football for that matter, in those countries. They just play what they want -- period.
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Post by paulino19 on Sept 17, 2014 5:19:33 GMT 8
thekerouac82 ... Your long-winded diatribe proves my point ... LOL
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Post by narko on Sept 17, 2014 8:40:49 GMT 8
thekerouac82 ... Your long-winded diatribe proves my point ... LOL Exactly.
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Post by thekerouac82 on Sept 17, 2014 11:04:18 GMT 8
thekerouac82 ... Your long-winded diatribe proves my point ... LOL Do you really want to degenerate this into a basketball vs. football thread? Because this is EXACTLY the type of behavior that turns off so many Filipinos from the game. You and your kind fail to realize that people have the right to choose whatever they want without having someone shove their choices down other people's throats. Which is what you want to do. Seriously, ending an argument with LOL. How sophomoric.
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