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Post by jpmanahan on Jul 31, 2018 3:01:40 GMT 8
Most every team in the current 2018 U16 AFF championship has trained for at least a month or more before competing in the AFF championship. Even a small country like Timor Leste spent 2 months training their kids with the last few weeks training abroad in Indonesia to prepare for the competition. The PFF only sent a team trained for 2 weeks and then expects them to be able to compete against kids many of which were trained in professional academies. Where is the sense in that? I thought that since they have now their own national team training center established to house and train their players better, that they would follow other countries and prepare their youth teams better and longer, but it is more of the same. I also have been calling for a national scouting system to be developed for years, but this simple solution seems to elude the powers that be at the PFF as well. Lack of organization, foresight and preparation continue to bedevil the leadership to this day and yet they expect their teams to get results. They shouldn't expect any different if they don't put in the work to make their teams competitive. Considering our geographical makeup, that is not an easy task, compared to, say, Timor Leste.
Yes, we have the NTTC, but that is in Carmona, Cavite. We need more sub-NTTCs in order to better harness things.
National Scouting System? Don't we have the PFF ID'ng a football database that they launched. Are the coaches using it? Even the one from Soca Loca could work. Are you using it?
The question is, is the federation expecting this team to put out a result? This isn't the Senior national team we're talking about here. I didn't see anybody saying we are advancing, weren't we?
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Post by cjeagle on Jul 31, 2018 3:25:15 GMT 8
Most every team in the current 2018 U16 AFF championship has trained for at least a month or more before competing in the AFF championship. Even a small country like Timor Leste spent 2 months training their kids with the last few weeks training abroad in Indonesia to prepare for the competition. The PFF only sent a team trained for 2 weeks and then expects them to be able to compete against kids many of which were trained in professional academies. Where is the sense in that? I thought that since they have now their own national team training center established to house and train their players better, that they would follow other countries and prepare their youth teams better and longer, but it is more of the same. I also have been calling for a national scouting system to be developed for years, but this simple solution seems to elude the powers that be at the PFF as well. Lack of organization, foresight and preparation continue to bedevil the leadership to this day and yet they expect their teams to get results. They shouldn't expect any different if they don't put in the work to make their teams competitive. Considering our geographical makeup, that is not an easy task, compared to, say, Timor Leste. Yes, we have the NTTC, but that is in Carmona, Cavite. We need more sub-NTTCs in order to better harness things. National Scouting System? Don't we have the PFF ID'ng a football database that they launched. Are the coaches using it? Even the one from Soca Loca could work. Are you using it? The question is, is the federation expecting this team to put out a result? This isn't the Senior national team we're talking about here. I didn't see anybody saying we are advancing, weren't we?
We are not the only country that is an archipelago or have widespread regions that are not easy to get to. It is true that it would be nice if we have regional training setups as well but for the moment the NTTC should serve its purpose in training our national teams (especially at the youth and women's level that don' t have the benefit of professional leagues to help nurture and develop them). Pretty much most of the successful nations including World Cup Champion France and Asian cup Champions Australia use their NTCC's to prepare their teams for a longer period of time, even several times a year. Even Areola was trained there. A national database is not enough. You need to have a national system of scouts that follow players as they develop at regional leagues and competitions, pointing out their strengths and weaknesses, advising local coaches on how to help them improve. In most cases in other countries at the local level you need to depend upon mostly volunteers(from the coaching fraternity) to keep tabs on players with regional and national scouts following the ones that hold the most promise based on those recommendations. I don't think we expect all our national youth teams to be suddenly making the semis in each AFF championship, but at least we should expect them to be competitive. If we expect this young players to be candidates for the national team someday, they need to be trained properly as well as being exposed to international competition at a very young age. You don't want them or other young players to get discouraged and lose interest in the sport by regularly getting shellacked at this kind of competitions. I think many of our young players individually are more talented than those from smaller countries like Timor Leste, but we still lose to them because we don't prepare our kids properly. For this competition alone, they trained their kids for at least 2 months compared to the 2 weeks the PFF allotted to the U16 national team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 21:07:44 GMT 8
Come on man, we can always rationalize and explain why Philippine youth soccer is the "Piñata" of our Asean neighbors. The PFF officials are all "grown up"s and should be smart enough to realize that things should be done to improve the prospects, just like what you guys have suggested.
As they say, "Doing the same thing all over again and expect a different result is pure stupidity". My thinking is that, the PFF has to send a team to this tournaments to justify the FIFA funding money they are receiving.
To send our young kids to a major tournament and be humiliated among their peers, in such a young stage will damage self confidence and self esteem which is needed later in life. The coaches are not affected, they got a free, all-expenses-paid trip. Forget about getting international playing experiences, this is pure BS. The kids wants a sense of accomplishment and success, a little bit of "bragging rights".
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Post by jpmanahan on Aug 1, 2018 1:39:54 GMT 8
We are not the only country that is an archipelago or have widespread regions that are not easy to get to. It is true that it would be nice if we have regional training setups as well but for the moment the NTTC should serve its purpose in training our national teams (especially at the youth and women's level that don' t have the benefit of professional leagues to help nurture and develop them). Pretty much most of the successful nations including World Cup Champion France and Asian cup Champions Australia use their NTCC's to prepare their teams for a longer period of time, even several times a year. Even Areola was trained there. A national database is not enough. You need to have a national system of scouts that follow players as they develop at regional leagues and competitions, pointing out their strengths and weaknesses, advising local coaches on how to help them improve. In most cases in other countries at the local level you need to depend upon mostly volunteers(from the coaching fraternity) to keep tabs on players with regional and national scouts following the ones that hold the most promise based on those recommendations. I don't think we expect all our national youth teams to be suddenly making the semis in each AFF championship, but at least we should expect them to be competitive. If we expect this young players to be candidates for the national team someday, they need to be trained properly as well as being exposed to international competition at a very young age. You don't want them or other young players to get discouraged and lose interest in the sport by regularly getting shellacked at this kind of competitions. I think many of our young players individually are more talented than those from smaller countries like Timor Leste, but we still lose to them because we don't prepare our kids properly. For this competition alone, they trained their kids for at least 2 months compared to the 2 weeks the PFF allotted to the U16 national team.
Then the question is, how many scouts / coaches do we have out there that can help identify players.
Anyhow, we have a long way to go to address how we go out with this sport on this aspect.
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Post by goalie88 on Aug 2, 2018 17:07:28 GMT 8
To send our young kids to a major tournament and be humiliated among their peers, in such a young stage will damage self confidence and self esteem which is needed later in life. The coaches are not affected, they got a free, all-expenses-paid trip. Forget about getting international playing experiences, this is pure BS. The kids wants a sense of accomplishment and success, a little bit of "bragging rights". I talked to one of the kids parent participating in the u16 tournmnt. He has the same sentiment, he said we are doomed from the start as there is no real development here. The kids actually had to try out 2x bec of coaching change. I asked him if after the tournmnt will the boys be still part of the u16, will they continue to train? Or will they be disbanded. He said he does not know. If they will be disbanded then we go back to zero, i just hope that they continue with the program.
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Post by cjeagle on Aug 4, 2018 3:02:16 GMT 8
I don't know about the PFF, but from my communication with fans from other countries on bigsoccer, we are starting to get a bad reputation for the way we field our youth teams. It is probably one of the reasons Coach Butcher declined to accept being coach of our national team.
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Post by allenusa on Mar 2, 2019 11:45:27 GMT 8
The current performance of our U22 and U16 teams is showing that our grassroots training program is an embarrassment. Even this comment is just a waste of my time.
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Post by FromSulu on Jul 23, 2020 21:17:18 GMT 8
The current performance of our U22 and U16 teams is showing that our grassroots training program is an embarrassment. Even this comment is just a waste of my time. One of the problems that I see every time we put up a National Youth team is that we start from scratch again and again,the coaches would always say we need to have try-out to identify players despite having previous aged group national teams. Do they have the profile, stats of previous youth team? Given that we lack a systematic youth set-up here, they can rely on school based team to supplement the squad. At the same time they could just continue with those players that were identified with potential or who did great in the previous tournaments. With that, The chemistry is already there,the experience that the players got is essential for their development hence there's a need of continuity for some of the players. They can also just add a few players to compliment the players that were already selected, reinforce them with talented foreign-based players (this is specially important for U18 and above aged group national team). The Indonesia Men's Under-19 and Malaysia Men's Under-19 that will play in the AFC U-19 tournament late this year have recruited foreign-based players to add strength to their youth national team. Indonesia have called-up a 17 yr old 6'4" Ipswich town U-19 player, a Sweden based Right-back Ari Nyoman, and 2 players that are also playing in Europe. while Malaysia have called up St. Louis U19 player in Wan Kuzri.
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