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Post by cjeagle on Oct 20, 2016 2:09:10 GMT 8
Amazing for a moderator to attack the messenger and not the message. The message is worth a discussion not a ridicule. "Football is football. In most other countries football fans flock to stadiums to watch good teams play regardless of their origin. The better the quality of teams playing the more fans watch the games. This is especially true here in the US where visiting European professional clubs attract more fans than MLS teams." What is your point here? Typical catch22, are you going to watch NBA Sacramento vs Philadephia, or Lebron vs Curry? In the earlier part of the 20th century, we are still influenced by our Spanish heritage, i.e. football. The Americans changed it to basketball, even baseball. As usual the Filipinos simply adapted to the American culture, speak english instead of spanish, etc. Again what is your point? The point is you should stop looking at our players beyond the color of their skin. Like it or not, most Filipinos are of mixed heritage(Spanish, Chinese, American, etc.) and most of our players are no different. If we can idolize mestizo basketball players like Loyzaga and Jaworski, why not our present crop of football players? BTW, I am not ridiculing you. We moderators express our opinions here as well especially since you directly asked for it a few posts earlier. As long as the language is civil and polite everyone will be allowed to express their opinions no matter how opposed those views are. Free speech is encouraged in this forum. I only step in usually if insults and slanders are directed not only to other posters but also to our players, managers and officials. Racism is one of those issues that is not encouraged here. As for youth players, I agree with you that more attention should be directed to adopting a system of play(similar to the South Americans and Spaniards) that best fits our physical stature which most of our youth should adopt. Those take a long time to learn and must be started at a very young age and will take awhile to implement as a result. My suggestion is that you should encourage most coaches there, those who would have direct influence on how young players develop to adopt this style. As much as possible, I would also encourage those that have passion and knowledge of the sport, to volunteer to train, scout and develop the youngest players. This is one aspect that is prevalent in many countries in Europe like Spain, the Netherlands and especially Germany. It is the volunteers that scout, develop and train their very young players and it is them that direct the best players to the clubs who can train them further to become future professional players. This was pointed out by some of the German consultants that FIFA sent to the Philippines, a feature which is severely lacking in the Philippines and can especially benefit those of our young players who cannot afford to get proper training due to financial reasons. And again if you really are a football supporter, please attend and support our professional leagues(both the UFL and the future national professional league). Don't just play. If you are a coach or manager, bring your youth teams on field trips and invite your non football playing friends to join you. Heck the UFL couldn't even attract enough fans even to free games. I know there a are lot of football players(especially those that are school based) in the Metro Manila area, but it seems none of them could be bothered to attend. Remember it is the professional league that will develop our future locally trained national team players. If you don't support our own league, then how do you expect our local players to become good enough to play internationally.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 3:44:31 GMT 8
In support of my non football friends, for them there is a difference between foreigners with a Philippine passport and Filipinos born and raised here. Caloy Loyzaga and Robert Jaworski were both born here, mestizos or not. My friends are not concern about the color of their skin, but more on their ability to relate to this players. Caloy (Manila) went to San Beda and Jaworski (Baguio) went to UE. Filipinos who went to the same school could relate to them, maybe even be their friends and classmates.
My aim in this discussion thread is to establish a constructive, healthy discussion on how, as Filipinos, can we motivate our youth in playing and enjoying the game of football. Also put emphasis on those talented players from poor families so that they can be given a chance and be included in the training system. Not just the kids of rich families, with financial resources to influence the PFF. It is amazing that when somebody mention about foreign players with Philippine passport, it raises a red flag in this discussion forum.
If you read my previous post I have justified and supported PFF in importing players from abroad, because the infrastructures of training players do not exist and will take time and money to create. It is better for PFF to get players from abroad who went to well funded soccer development academies from a very young age, as long as it is legal according to FIFA rules, and all the Azkals players are following the rules.
Adding to your comment on style of play, The Americans likes set plays using their big, strong players, and the players is not really good in accurate passing (check the passing accuracy of USMNT players). While the Spaniards and the Dutch like short accurate passes through the midfield, with players running diagonally towards the goal (tiki-taka). USMNT does not have a good creative midfielder, while it is in abundance with Spain and Holland. Small stature players are better developed being a good midfielder. We cannot out run and out power the Americans and the Africans. The Japanese knew this and concentrating on the discipline of play always maintaining the correct shape. The British and Germans, like the American are mostly setup for the same emphasis on set plays and the long balls (no need to have good midfielders, just pass over their heads) USMNT have a lot of German trained players. Dooley, I believe is in this mold. Check the Azkals games, count the number of long balls. It is amazing that they said the Azkals have great midfielders, so why kick above their heads.
Again, what I'm saying here could be all wrong in 5 yrs. from now. The NBA 10 yrs ago, big strong centers and forwards dominated the game, now it is the shorter, quicker perimeter 3pt. shooters in great demand. Stephen Curry had changed the game, the same will apply to football with the next generation Ronaldo and Messi.
What I would like to suggest to PFF is: When PFF creates this new Philippine league, I hope that they limit the number of foreign players, so that the team will be mostly Filipinos (This will help the morale and save money). Also parity must be established by limiting the payroll cap so that wealthy teams just don't dominate, making the games less competitive. UFL games averaging scores of 7-11 against 0 is not healthy. They should probably rank all players and distribute them equally among the teams, maybe hard and impractical to do, sort of a players draft day. All the players are put in a pool and let the teams select players on a round robin basis after a lottery.
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Post by cheeze on Oct 20, 2016 18:31:01 GMT 8
I have been a solid evangelist of Filipino football, but all of my non football friends keep saying "I cannot be interested in Azkal's football since the team is primary composed of foreign players with a Philippine passport, and an American coach. Even the UFL teams have foreign players and coaches. We have nobody to relate to, and they are not us. It is like watching a friendly between two visiting foreign teams in a Philippine stadium." They also say that all the TV glorifications, newspaper articles, etc. are about these mestizos. What can I say? At the end of the day, at least the PFF is not looking to naturalize foreign players like how Gilas has been doing it for years with Douhit and Blatche. Tehre are even talks of getting a Bltache replacement soon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 23:41:02 GMT 8
It will be interesting to see how many Filipinos will pay to see a friendly between Barcelona vs Real Madrid at the Rizal Stadium. Also interesting is how much are they willing to pay just to get in. If they fill it up at above regular price, then PFF will know the money potential of football if they have the right product. 3 centuries under Spanish rule, we should be able to convince King Felipe VI to help us out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 21:26:52 GMT 8
This summarizes all my posts in this discussion thread.
The Azkals is currently being built using "duct tape". The PFF is taking the easy way out in putting together a team, since they do not have a professionally organized soccer academy system. It will be like this for years to come unless they put in the investments on home grown, locally trained youth program.
Also amazing, the Azkals have home grown players from local colleges available, but they are not given the chance on the belief that foreign trained players are much better. USMNT in the U.S.A, with all its soccer development academies, soccer colleges at D1, D2, D3 also believes that German trained players are much better, check the USMNT roster with a German coach.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 12:08:44 GMT 8
Above is my post dated Oct. 17, 2016. Costa Rica just dominated the USA during the Concacaf WC qualifier 4-0 with almost 70% possession. As I mentioned, Costa Rica is much better than the USA, hands down, with all the imported German players and a German coach. Local home grown players is always better in the long run, since they all grow up and know each other. The Pinoys could also do the same thing if we are determined and focused to achieve this goal.
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Post by kuo24 on Nov 23, 2016 11:54:36 GMT 8
Of the 23 players included sa Suzuki Cup, 14 of them are 25 years old and below. So agree that we are being built on youth naman. Other guys like Sato, Bugas and Woodland are also quite young.
But we really need to dig deep and invest on young defenders.
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Post by FromSulu on Nov 23, 2016 12:18:50 GMT 8
Mike Ott,Amani,Gadia, Daniels - They're still young at 21. Porteria can still be considered young at 22. Casambre is the youngest at 18yrs old. The oldest in the Azkals line-up are Schrocky and James Younghusband at 29.
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Post by materkush on Nov 27, 2016 18:52:07 GMT 8
MANILA, Philippines - At first glance Julian Matthews and Gerald Tan look just like any of the other young trialists at Loyola Meralco Sparks training on a muggy Friday afternoon at Emperador Stadium. But both are Filipinos hailing from Australia, which could soon play a bigger role in our country's footballing aspirations. Matthews is 21 years old, a son of a caregiver from Leyte and a barrister. He is from Australia's Gold Coast and plays for Palm Beach, which is in the National Premier Leagues system, below the top-tier A-League. The kid has lived in Hong Kong, Macau and England and even stayed in the Philippines for a year and a half 7 years ago, when he was coached at the Makati Football School. www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/football/114465-next-azkal-from-australia-azkalroosseeing bright future for our NT aguinaldo 21 casambre 17 and these 2 new lads
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Post by FromSulu on Feb 27, 2017 22:39:02 GMT 8
MANILA, Philippines – Neymar Jr.'s unique football tournament, "Five," returned to Sparta Philippines for another round of exciting matches last Saturday, with over a dozen teams squaring off in the Qualifier B event. Just four squads advanced to the Finals, scheduled for next week: Manila Tala, Strafford FC, Baggie FC, and Naxional. Leading the way for Baggie FC was former Philippine Azkals skipper Chieffy Caligdong, who said he enjoyed the experience. "It's challenging, and I really enjoyed the game," said Caligdong. "It was my first time playing street soccer." Caligdong will get the chance to face off against one of his former teammates, Anton del Rosario, in the Finals. Del Rosario's squad qualified last week. Neymar Jr.'s "Five" is the Brazilian forward's signature football tournament, which pits five-a-side teams in head-to-head 10-minute matches – with a twist. Every time one team scores, the opposing team loses a player, making games fast, technical, and tactical. news.abs-cbn.com/sports/02/27/17/ex-azkals-captain-caligdong-tows-team-to-finals-of-neymar-jrs-fiveIf the PFF can do a short tournament like this in key Cities all over the Philippines it will be a good way to promote/introduce Football to kids and their parents and to those who haven't had experience playing the actual football. it's a good start. this can be done by turning basketball court into a Futsal court.
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Post by novicewinger on Feb 28, 2017 0:00:03 GMT 8
MANILA, Philippines – Neymar Jr.'s unique football tournament, "Five," returned to Sparta Philippines for another round of exciting matches last Saturday, with over a dozen teams squaring off in the Qualifier B event. Just four squads advanced to the Finals, scheduled for next week: Manila Tala, Strafford FC, Baggie FC, and Naxional. Leading the way for Baggie FC was former Philippine Azkals skipper Chieffy Caligdong, who said he enjoyed the experience. "It's challenging, and I really enjoyed the game," said Caligdong. "It was my first time playing street soccer." Caligdong will get the chance to face off against one of his former teammates, Anton del Rosario, in the Finals. Del Rosario's squad qualified last week. Neymar Jr.'s "Five" is the Brazilian forward's signature football tournament, which pits five-a-side teams in head-to-head 10-minute matches – with a twist. Every time one team scores, the opposing team loses a player, making games fast, technical, and tactical. news.abs-cbn.com/sports/02/27/17/ex-azkals-captain-caligdong-tows-team-to-finals-of-neymar-jrs-fiveIf the PFF can do a short tournament like this in key Cities all over the Philippines it will be a good way to promote/introduce Football to kids and their parents and to those who haven't had experience playing the actual football. it's a good start. this can be done by turning basketball court into a Futsal court. agree. and Filipinos love fast-paced sports. Futsal can be a key driver to catch the attention of the Filipino masses into football. (maybe someone discussed this idea already)
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Post by FromSulu on Mar 4, 2017 19:28:42 GMT 8
Futsal for Filipino youth development Developing among the youth the skills to play futsal (five against five) well will obviously redound to the upgrading of our football skills as the children grow into adults. As other foundations emulate what Liga Eskwela is doing, especially in cities like Iloilo, Cebu, Davao, Cagayan de Oro, Zamboanga, Laoag, Vigan, and Batangas, with some football tradition that can be traced to the Spanish and American colonial eras, we will increase the number of Filipinos who can play for the various city clubs that will compete in the Philippines Football League which is scheduled to take off sometime in April, 2017, under the auspices of the Philippine Football Federation. The bigger mass base of football players will also encourage the establishment of other football leagues in the various regions and sectors of Philippine society. As Mr. Danny Moran, CEO of the Henry V. Moran Foundation, remarked in an interview: “It is clear to me more than ever, that a grassroots approach to football development must somehow include futsal in its development plan if we are to mobilize interest and engage a mass base who will have sustained interest in football. The schools we work with have realized how easy, convenient, and inexpensive it is to play and organize activities in futsal. More kids playing the sport will only help further to pursue our common goal of seeing Philippine football grow, building on the great gains and hard work that the Philippine Football Federation has already made in grassroots and youth development.” news.mb.com.ph/2017/03/02/futsal-for-filipino-youth-development/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 21:41:32 GMT 8
AFF U15 Youth Championship and the Philippines U15 Team.
Malaysia 2–0 Philippines Philippines 0–4 Cambodia Vietnam 7–0 Philippines Philippines 2–0 Timor-Leste Brunei 0–0 Philippines
U15 is a good indicator of how well the PFF is coaching our kids. Kids become serious with soccer at age U12-U13. So it will need only 2-3 yrs. to train them properly. The PFF coaching staff should have an "eye for talent" in selecting the pool of players, NOT cronyism, families with money or political positions.
At a young age we could group potential soccer players into the following: 1. Those with "alpha dog" attitude. Aggressive, ball-hoggers, too much dribbling. 2. Those who are athletes, run fast or kick ball farthest. More likely to do "stupid running, stupid kicking and stupid passing"
As you could see this is not the way you play competitive soccer. The "alpha dogs" must know when to pass and when to shoot the ball. While the athletes must know how to handle the ball and pass it accurately, short or long. All these virtues are coached, taught and practiced day in and day out.
A good team is the proper combinations of these types of players. Defenders and forwards are normally the "alpha dogs", while the athletes are the wingers and mid-fielders.
With our youth population, I am assuming the Philippines have a lot of young players to chose from. more than Timor-Leste, Brunei, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, etc, etc. In other words the PFF is NOT doing the job, and have NO CLUE on how to teach and train for soccer.
Our U15 is still out-performed in soccer, by teams we should easily beat. DO NOT tell me that the Vietnamese, Thailanders were born to be soccer players. At U12 and U13 these are all just kids, equal in skills and potentials.
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Post by xyz1000 on Jul 19, 2017 7:43:19 GMT 8
AFF U15 Youth Championship and the Philippines U15 Team. Malaysia 2–0 Philippines Philippines 0–4 Cambodia Vietnam 7–0 Philippines Philippines 2–0 Timor-Leste Brunei 0–0 Philippines U15 is a good indicator of how well the PFF is coaching our kids. Kids become serious with soccer at age U12-U13. So it will need only 2-3 yrs. to train them properly. The PFF coaching staff should have an "eye for talent" in selecting the pool of players, NOT cronyism, families with money or political positions. At a young age we could group potential soccer players into the following: 1. Those with "alpha dog" attitude. Aggressive, ball-hoggers, too much dribbling. 2. Those who are athletes, run fast or kick ball farthest. More likely to do "stupid running, stupid kicking and stupid passing" As you could see this is not the way you play competitive soccer. The "alpha dogs" must know when to pass and when to shoot the ball. While the athletes must know how to handle the ball and pass it accurately, short or long. All these virtues are coached, taught and practiced day in and day out. A good team is the proper combinations of these types of players. Defenders and forwards are normally the "alpha dogs", while the athletes are the wingers and mid-fielders. With our youth population, I am assuming the Philippines have a lot of young players to chose from. more than Timor-Leste, Brunei, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, etc, etc. In other words the PFF is NOT doing the job, and have NO CLUE on how to teach and train for soccer. Our U15 is still out-performed in soccer, by teams we should easily beat. DO NOT tell me that the Vietnamese, Thailanders were born to be soccer players. At U12 and U13 these are all just kids, equal in skills and potentials. There are so many wrong statements in your post that it's difficult where to start. It's obvious you don't know the footballing world culture from your naive allegations. With so many wrong things, let's focus on just one to keep things simple -- your last sentence. At U12 and U13 these are all just kids, equal in skills and potentials.If you are going to collect kids at age 12 or 13 who have never played football but may otherwise be good athletes and then put them through intense training for two years, they will be good. Very good even. But if you're going to pit them against kids the same age but have been playing intensely since they were 6 or 7, nine out of ten times the more experienced kids will win. Maybe ninety-nine out of one hundred times. Barcelona starts taking in kids for elite training starting at age six. I am sure that most of the kids the Philippine U15 team faced started playing around that time. They are not all just kids who are equal in skills and potentials. Far, far from it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 10:21:11 GMT 8
There are so many wrong statements in your post that it's difficult where to start. It's obvious you don't know the footballing world culture from your naive allegations. With so many wrong things, let's focus on just one to keep things simple -- your last sentence. At U12 and U13 these are all just kids, equal in skills and potentials.If you are going to collect kids at age 12 or 13 who have never played football but may otherwise be good athletes and then put them through intense training for two years, they will be good. Very good even. But if you're going to pit them against kids the same age but have been playing intensely since they were 6 or 7, nine out of ten times the more experienced kids will win. Maybe ninety-nine out of one hundred times. Barcelona starts taking in kids for elite training starting at age six. I am sure that most of the kids the Philippine U15 team faced started playing around that time. They are not all just kids who are equal in skills and potentials. Far, far from it. Excuse me, before you accuse me of not knowing what I am talking about. I spent 20 years working with Surf FC Academy in San Diego, CA. the sponsor of the famous Surf Cup San Diego. I'm 76 and have watched soccer for more than 52 years, 20 yrs in Spain. First I said: "U15 is a good indicator of how well the PFF is coaching our kids. Kids become serious with soccer at age U12-U13. " I DID NOT say that you pick a kid off the street at age U12-U13. In our academy, a lot of the young kids starts at 5-6-7 yrs. When I said serious about soccer, I mean the kids and parents wants soccer to be a career. About 40% of kids joining the academy is because of the their parents is forcing them to do so. Also, the more successful soccer player has a father, uncle, grand father who also plays soccer and have been exposed to soccer games since they were 4 yrs. old. This is the advantage of countries like UK, Spain, Portugal, Germany, and Italy. This is when I sometimes agree that the DNA of such kids have been modified to carry that soccer skills because of decades of soccer history through association. At Surf FC we were fortunate to have a trainer from Sporting do Lisboa (famous for training Cristiano Ronaldo, Figo, Nani and Moutinho) to spent time with us understanding the psychology of "who will turn out to be a super star soccer player" from kids starting at U5-U12. The answer is that you will never know, until the kids turns U12, U10 for kids from Africa, because of their physical stature. So what else is wrong with my post. How old are you, xyz1000.
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