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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 21:42:45 GMT 8
The article mentioned above put emphasis on coaching as why the Iceland soccer program have been a success recently in spite of the small pool of players. Since 2002, they built a number of indoor pitches to increase practice/playing time because of the extreme weather. But in summary, the success was due to focused coaching, and well planned, organized method of training youth regardless of skills, i.e. no kid is left behind because of the limited pool size.
So no need to blame basketball and waiting for our kids to play soccer in elementary schools, get good coaches, good program planners and stop wasting the money allocation from FIFA and other sponsors. The total population of Iceland is 331,000 (2015), .... probably more lived in Pasig.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 23:11:07 GMT 8
There is an argument that in Europe, most soccer players put more emphasis in soccer than getting an education. Most of them go through soccer academies with provisions to still get an education on the side. In the Philippines it is the other way around, our youth go to colleges and play soccer as a college sport. I found this anonymous comment in filipinofootball.blogspot.com/
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Post by johnmarki on Aug 28, 2017 1:29:25 GMT 8
There is an argument that in Europe, most soccer players put more emphasis in soccer than getting an education. Most of them go through soccer academies with provisions to still get an education on the side. In the Philippines it is the other way around, our youth go to colleges and play soccer as a college sport. I found this anonymous comment in filipinofootball.blogspot.com/I think this is the main reason why the level of competition in Europe is very high in terms of Football. Because players don't have an education to fall back on. They don't have other choice other than to play great or starve to death(loose contract). It's kinda sad since those players took a 'suicidal' route. I'm glad majority of our players specially those coming from "collegiate" teams choose education first. Because it's a security for them. Like what if they suffer a career ending injury right? they just can't keep playing.
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Post by jpmanahan on Aug 31, 2017 2:21:52 GMT 8
I see the idealism, but practicality is a wholly different matter.
I do like the increased emphasis on getting younger. It has been almost 7 years since the Miracle of Hanoi, and hopefully that group has inspired a new generation of players to take the mantle.
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Post by iniestafan on Sept 2, 2017 17:02:02 GMT 8
My hypothetical question for everyone: why are filipinos great singers? Compare to other asians we have world class singers. So How do we do it??
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Post by johnmarki on Sept 3, 2017 15:53:07 GMT 8
Why don't do what PBA does?. Wherein players will go from barangay to barangay. Introduce/ promote the sport and initiate training camps. In this case since we don't have so many pitches. Introduce 'futsal' to every barangay and from their the 'interest' would spark.
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Post by iniestafan on Sept 3, 2017 19:20:35 GMT 8
Probably because everyone thinks that only Boxing, Basketball or being "artista"'will make them rich. But again, its always been a case of chicken and egg for Philippine football.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 7:09:51 GMT 8
I have to post this summary again in this section, I posted it before in another section. I wanted to emphasize how disheartening for us football enthusiast, proud of our country and not ready to take bottom position here in Southeast Asia against our neighbors, Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, Myanmar, Cambodia, Singapore and Malaysia.
"The Philippine Azkals’ future is being built on youth" is a lie, and PFF knows it, and does not care. Here's the stats: PFF Youth Program's performance for 2017.
. U15 AFF Championship Philippines U15 was 10th. in a field of 12 countries with -11 GD . U23 2019 Qualifier Philippines U23 was at the bottom lost all games at -11 GD . Sea 2017 Games Philippines U22 was 7th. in a field of 12 SEA countries at -6 GD . U18 AFF Championship Philippines U18 just get trashed by Indonesia 9-0, and even a lost to weakest Brunei 3-2, and will probably lose to both Vietnam and Myanmar (Sep. 9,11)
Palami and his crew of scouts is only interested in looking for that foreign trained, half Filipino abroad. No effort if being made to strengthened the youth program with excellent coaching and well managed youth program to help our youth achieve their goal.
Their reasoning: the local grassroots talent is not good enough compared to our Southeast Asian neighbors. It is unfortunate that we have glorified the half Filipinos in the roster, those with foreign last names, those with "movie star" looks as the true Filipino representative in this most significant world sport. They said that if we wanted true Filipinos, we should put the "aetas and igorots" in the lineup. All we wanted are Filipinos born here, and went to school here. Probably they wanted the Philippines to have the best looking team roster in Asia, we should create a calendar with the team roster, in Speedos.
And we are supposed to accept this status quo! and they hire mediocre coaches to train and coach the youth team. Every time we lose a game, the coaches just say "It's good for them to gain international experience", a total BS. They think we are all stupid, knowing nothing about football.
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Post by cypher210 on Sept 8, 2017 9:10:24 GMT 8
to be honest, i don't think the team would even make it far without them half-filipinos. i don't think there is nothing wrong with looking for players overseas since they are legit filipinos as well. why stop looking half filipinos like schrock and patino who are up to that level and want to play for the azkals? why limit the team from acquiring players like that when they will actually help bring up the level. I understand your point on grassroots and i believe that its really important. it seems like people expected superstar coming out of the "azkal mania"era. the grassroots is so far behind even with these newly formed youth leagues and programs. i think the PFF should just disband the senior team and start from scratch since people think the senior players are just good looking lol jk. but seriously, i think its low key racist if these half filipinos aren't welcomed. if you look at the MNTs from US, France, Germany etc. all of those players are from different parts of the world. both foreign-trained and locals can coexist. not one or the other. as of right now foreign trained players are superior than the local in terms of level of play and the PFF is set on sustaining that level. I do agree with Tondoboy on certain issues like the grassroots and youth team coaches but i feel like he is a little biased towards locals only. Maybe tondoboy can help the azkals in someway.. like scouting the surf acadamy for filipinos in SD
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 10:06:44 GMT 8
cypher210, there is no disagreement with me that the half Filipino strategy is an excellent short term solution, but we must see improvement in the grassroot youth program year after year. The team coached by Maro and Aberasturi have not shown improvement from last year or the year before last. Now they put Chiefy to coach the U15. The PFF is NOT showing a plan and strategy to succeed. The only explanation they will give us is "the team needs international exposure and experience". 2010 was the start of good years for the PMNT. If they put more emphasis on the youth program at that time, the U15 then would have been U22 now and be competitive against our Southeast Asian neighbors.
It is now obvious that they thought the half Filipino strategy is "the best thing since slice bread", and they could sustain this strategy for a very long time. Sooner or later the well is going to get dry and now some of these 2010 players are starting to retire.
Also you need players who played together from U15 to U22 to get that chemistry and brotherly trust on each other, which is very important in a 11v11 football game. This is what makes the teams from even small countries great. They know each other since U14, and they play like brothers. The article about Iceland's soccer program mentioned this.
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Post by cjeagle on Sept 8, 2017 15:01:26 GMT 8
Palami is the men's team manager and is only responsible for the men's team, not for the youth teams.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 21:26:46 GMT 8
Palami is the men's team manager and is only responsible for the men's team, not for the youth teams. Palami has never been my "target" in this web site. I'm critical of Nonong Araneta and Company, ever since the Suzuki Cup fiasco and how he single-handedly destroy any potential to host a major AFC event. Mismanagement, total lack of marketing, causing the total disgrace to the Philippines. If I have "a beef" about Palami, my argument is that his strategy of scouting for foreign trained half Filipinos is not helpful to the future development of grassroots soccer in the Philippines. This also alienated the Manileños, causing their lack of support in soccer attendance. My point is, because of Palami's success with the 2010 players, Araneta became lazy, and as usual mismanaged his main job of developing the infrastructure for creating a sustainable soccer program for the future. He just rested on laurels created for him by Palami. Now he's bailing out to a better job with the AFC, giving the PFF to Atty. Edwin Gastanes, who of course knows nothing about football.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 21:37:46 GMT 8
Palami is the men's team manager and is only responsible for the men's team, not for the youth teams. AFF U18 Championship: Vietnam 5 Philippines 0. so far: 3 loses, -15GDs As a proud Filipino, I refuse to let Araneta and the PFF make our youngsters the "Piñatas" in Southeast Asian football. We are better than that. I respectfully nominate Dan Palami to manage the Philippine Youth teams. Maybe he can bring the magic of 2010 into the grassroots youth program and get us out of this mess.
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Post by cjeagle on Sept 9, 2017 23:56:47 GMT 8
I don't think Palami can afford more than what he has on his plate right now.
I think the Philippine national youth teams should rely mostly on local talents with maybe a few reinforcements. They just need better coaching and a consistent, rational development program with one style(that fits the Filipino physique) that is adopted by all the youth teams from a very young age.
The Azkal model of recruiting mostly Filipinos trained abroad is fine at the men's level in the short term though because their success at high profile tournaments motivates everyone at the lower levels to keep on improving, and attracts badly needed sponsors and media coverage, which would be hard to get otherwise.
The U-22 team at the SEA games were competitive and showed improvement under team manager Jeffrey Cheng with mostly local players in its roster. Many of their players had professional exposure in the PFL with the Davao PFL club, but most of their players come from the universities. With the addition of a few more professional players from the men's team which were age eligible, they probably could have done better, but their competitiveness in the SEA games is a step in the right direction.
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Post by cjeagle on Sept 11, 2017 22:22:11 GMT 8
I like Rob Gier's approach to youth development:
Gier also highlighted the importance of exposing the youth to a higher levels of football, which will ultimately raise the country's competitiveness in the international football scene in the long run.
“It is also important that we continue to expose players to national tournaments at youth levels and build a pathway that ends in representing the country as an Azkal.”
This is what I have been suggesting for awhile now. We need to bring back the Coke Go for Goal national youth team tournaments that the PFF used to have. It is not only a great tournament to develop players but also a better way to scout for players for the national youth teams than the short term tryouts per region that they have right now. We also need a national club championship like the one sponsored by SMART a couple of years ago. The PFF seems to have abandoned both programs.
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