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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 21:16:35 GMT 8
Over the weekend, I just watched he International Champions Cup U14 Futures (finals) from Florida. Chelsea FC vs Bayern Munich FC. Again U14, they were Good! even Alessandro Del Piero was so impressed, he hoped his sons could play as good. The announcer said that the US Soccer Youth Program is 100 years behind.
And the best we could do is get the half bred rejects from Europe, not good enough to play in their own national team. Do we really believe that Alphonse Areola may play for the Azkals? We could barely compete with Vietnam, 13 points ahead of us.
My personal opinion, the PFF National Team is a total joke, and the PFF Youth Program is non-existent, period.
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Post by cypher210 on Jul 23, 2018 23:18:52 GMT 8
Over the weekend, I just watched he International Champions Cup U14 Futures (finals) from Florida. Chelsea FC vs Bayern Munich FC. Again U14, they were Good! even Alessandro Del Piero was so impressed, he hoped his sons could play as good. The announcer said that the US Soccer Youth Program is 100 years behind. And the best we could do is get the half bred rejects from Europe, not good enough to play in their own national team. Do we really believe that Alphonse Areola may play for the Azkals? We could barely compete with Vietnam, 13 points ahead of us. My personal opinion, the PFF National Team is a total joke, and the PFF Youth Program is non-existent, period. I don’t understand why you keep emphasizing that they’re only half breed. You make them sound like a dog or something. That’s racist. I’m married to a Chinese American and I’m going to have a “half breed” kid in the future. I find it very offensive that you treat them like that. Whether they’re half or a quarter Filipino, they’re still Filipino by law. You have no respect for the OFWs and the Filipino diaspora around the world. The foreign-based Azkals have represented and played for the Philippines. @tondoboy Have you done anything for your country?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 1:10:56 GMT 8
As usual some Pinoys are upset that I called most Azkals players as "half breed". Let's just use an objective and logical analysis of the issue: 1. Most of the Azkals players have foreign, i.e. European last names. Which means that their father is a foreigner. 2. Most of these players where born and raised in the foreign country, where they have received the soccer training. This is the only place to get the training since the PFF youth program does not exist. A person born in a foreign country with a foreign father is by birth a foreigner. 3.A foreigner with a Filipino mother or grandmother could apply for a Philippine passport. the Philippines allows for dual citizenship. even triple citizenship. 4. FIFA, ONLY requires a valid passport to a country and you could play for that country's national team. This is the reason why, if a soccer foreign player is good enough for the Azkals they first thing Palami will ask is "Do you have a Philippine passport or could you get one?. If the answer is yes, fly down to the Philippines and we will check you out."
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Post by cypher210 on Jul 24, 2018 1:46:43 GMT 8
I dont think having a different last name makes you less filipino. even though they're born overseas, and they grew up with some filipino values and acknowledges it. whether they weren't good enough to play for germany, or france, or england. it doesn't matter. they represent the philippines. i believe that them representing the country is more patriotic than some racist keyboard warriors here. im pretty sure the PFF takes the best players available for the senior team, whether they're from overseas or not. i understand not all players from overseas are up to par with their standards. Gilmar is an example of it.
if you look at the developed football nations, they were all diverse, last names from all over the place, they represent one country and thats what matters. the US has a diverse team as well but just has the ty "pay for play" culture.
in the end, Filipinos are becoming more and more global. Its only a matter of time that the color of the skin or last name wouldn't make you less filipino.
P.S. you really lack respect. you can't even apologize. you should open your mind about cultural diversity, and maybe you'll understand what I am talking about.
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Post by jpmanahan on Jul 24, 2018 3:47:16 GMT 8
Over the weekend, I just watched he International Champions Cup U14 Futures (finals) from Florida. Chelsea FC vs Bayern Munich FC. Again U14, they were Good! even Alessandro Del Piero was so impressed, he hoped his sons could play as good. The announcer said that the US Soccer Youth Program is 100 years behind. And the best we could do is get the half bred rejects from Europe, not good enough to play in their own national team. Do we really believe that Alphonse Areola may play for the Azkals? We could barely compete with Vietnam, 13 points ahead of us. My personal opinion, the PFF National Team is a total joke, and the PFF Youth Program is non-existent, period.
The ICC U14 Futures is being styled as potentially their answer to the LLWS. You are comparing our state of football to arguably two of the best clubs in the world.
It's absurd. Of course they are miles and miles ahead of us.
You can say that "the PFF National Team is a total joke," but it is in the Asian Cup. We'll see about how they perform when they are there.
As for the PFF Youth Program being what you say "non-existent," YOU try and fix it.
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Post by jpmanahan on Jul 24, 2018 3:55:57 GMT 8
As usual some Pinoys are upset that I called most Azkals players as "half breed". Let's just use an objective and logical analysis of the issue: 1. Most of the Azkals players have foreign, i.e. European last names. Which means that their father is a foreigner. 2. Most of these players where born and raised in the foreign country, where they have received the soccer training. This is the only place to get the training since the PFF youth program does not exist. A person born in a foreign country with a foreign father is by birth a foreigner. 3.A foreigner with a Filipino mother or grandmother could apply for a Philippine passport. the Philippines allows for dual citizenship. even triple citizenship. 4. FIFA, ONLY requires a valid passport to a country and you could play for that country's national team. This is the reason why, if a soccer foreign player is good enough for the Azkals they first thing Palami will ask is "Do you have a Philippine passport or could you get one?. If the answer is yes, fly down to the Philippines and we will check you out."
1. The Philippines, by itself being colonized by Spain, has mostly European last names.
2. The avenue is open for those of Filipino descent to play for the Philippines. We should take advantage of it, instead of being close-minded.
3. I watched the World Cup. There were a lot French guys who weren't looking French, or German guys who weren't looking German.
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Post by pilferpatchy on Jul 24, 2018 4:12:39 GMT 8
I really thought we've gone past this kind of thing after Rob Gier made a statement about what it is to mean playing for the country. I am reminded again of those Indonesians chanting "Hindi kayo Pilipino!" in an Azkals match years ago.
Bayern Munich youth squads have 7 to 14 foreign players and yes, in a matter of years these foreign kids who learned from the German system will go back home to suit up for their own national teams. And this has been going on eversince. For example, Canadian-born Owen Hargreaves who is a product of Bayern Munich academy but opted to play for England. Rakitic (Basel youth system). Aubameyang (Nice and Milan Primavera). Heck, even Thomas Dooley.
I get where you're coming from but you have got to wait. We cannot compete and win with such idealistic/purist pride. Not defending PFF but they cannot transform Philippine football overnight. Of course as long as the quality of foreign-based players is better than the homegrown ones, we will still rely on the former to represent us. We can blame PFF, PFL, or anyone but as fans we have to do our part--support each player who lends a helping hand. After all, the "half-breeds" (*spits*) you're referring to helped and have been helping in the resurgence and the popularizing of the sport (remember we're a basketball country). We need to do better than to hide behind the keyboard and just criticize.
Come on, you're educated enough to stop describing such people as "half-breeds".
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Post by cjeagle on Jul 25, 2018 0:56:34 GMT 8
Tondoboy. Here you go again. You claim to live in the US, but you don't even understand how offensive that term 'half breed' can be. Half breed is a term thrown around a lot by bigots in the US.
Even in the US or Canada, the term "half breed" is considered offensive, especially since the North American population itself is a melting pot with a large segment of the population mixed to some degree or another. It is a term used in a disparaging/derogatory manner by whites in the US as early as the colonial days when referring to Indians/white/black mixed individuals. It is not a term used in polite conversation today.
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Post by miron on Jul 25, 2018 22:47:06 GMT 8
Tondoboy. Here you go again. You claim to live in the US, but you don't even understand how offensive that term 'half breed' can be. Half breed is a term thrown around a lot by bigots in the US. Wow...so he has a chance to produce a "half breed" too!
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Post by cjeagle on Jul 27, 2018 2:29:16 GMT 8
pinoyfootball.com/2018/07/21/former-barca-recruit-to-boost-rp-u16-team-to-aseam-tilt/
Former FC Barcelona Academy player Sandro Reyes, Fil French Antoine Boutain and FilAm Thomas McDermott will be playing for the Philippines in the upcoming U16 AFF Championship.
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Post by boybato on Jul 27, 2018 11:01:06 GMT 8
Tondoboy. Here you go again. You claim to live in the US, but you don't even understand how offensive that term 'half breed' can be. Half breed is a term thrown around a lot by bigots in the US. Wow...so he has a chance to produce a "half breed" too! LoL! Wait till he realize that the current world champion is a bunch of Half Breed too from Africa and Philipines.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 21:41:17 GMT 8
Okay Guys, I chose the wrong word. It used to be an OK word, just like the word "gay", but now in this liberal world, it is tabooed. FYI, those French players were all born in France (or a French colony), including your favorite Areola. As I mentioned, those half-Filipinos players were not born in the Philippines, as I have indicated, a foreigner by birth.
My "beef" is not with the players, but with the PFF for not investing in a solid soccer program for the sake of the local Pinoys looking for soccer as a career to improve their lives. If Iceland can do it, why not the PFF. Also, I am not too excited to admired those players who have decided to be a Philippine citizen just for the privilege of playing for a national team. I would rather give my admiration to the local Pinoys working their butt off for the sake of the Philippines and to improve their lives.
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Post by jpmanahan on Jul 28, 2018 1:36:32 GMT 8
FYI, those French players were all born in France (or a French colony), including your favorite Areola. As I mentioned, those half-Filipinos players were not born in the Philippines, as I have indicated, a foreigner by birth. My "beef" is not with the players, but with the PFF for not investing in a solid soccer program for the sake of the local Pinoys looking for soccer as a career to improve their lives. If Iceland can do it, why not the PFF. Also, I am not too excited to admired those players who have decided to be a Philippine citizen just for the privilege of playing for a national team. I would rather give my admiration to the local Pinoys working their butt off for the sake of the Philippines and to improve their lives. The Philippine Constitution specifically says about who is a Filipino:
The following are citizens of the Philippines: - Those who are citizens of the Philippines at the time of the adoption of this Constitution;
- Those whose fathers or mothers are citizens of the Philippines;
- Those born before January 17, 1973, of Filipino mothers, who elect Philippine citizenship upon reaching the age of majority; and
- Those who are naturalized in accordance of law
Pretty sure regardless of where they came from, they are Filipino.
Again, Iceland is a beacon of how to effectively run a program, but the Philippines is a totally different case altogether. You would understand if you are actually in the trenches seeing how they actually do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 20:50:43 GMT 8
AFF U16 Sunday - Indonesia 8-0 Philippines. Here we go again! Same-mo, same-mo.
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Post by cjeagle on Jul 31, 2018 2:18:37 GMT 8
www.foxsports.ph/football/asian-football/philippine-football/890299/indonesia-wallops-ph-youth-eight-nil-but-did-we-really-expect-much/Indonesia wallops PH youth eight nil, but did we really expect much? The Philippine U16 youth team suffered a humiliating 8-0 loss to hosts Indonesia in their most recent game in the AFF U16 Championships, but should we really be surprised by this? Let’s get straight to the point, the gap between the senior Azkals and the youth teams is immense, and results like this should not be a surprise given the current circumstances. It was coach Reiji Hirata’s first outing with the youth team and it could have gone much better. Expectations were always low, but that doesn’t mean it should stay that way. What can the PFF do to address the ever pressing problems present with our youth setup? Here’s a couple of areas where I think the PFF can do better. Cast the net wider by creating a nationwide youth scouting system. Let’s face it, most PFF coaches tend to lean towards the familiar with the makeups of the youth national teams. We’ve been witness to past teams composed of players majority of which came from one school. Without proper professional youth academies in place in the country, schools and universities will continue to be the main source of talent for the youth teams. When coaches from certain universities are tasked to handle the youth teams, you can be pretty sure that majority of the makeup of the team will be pulled from the said coaches’ school. This is a very flawed system but we can’t totally blame the coaches for this. Philippine football is still in its infancy compared to our ASEAN neighbours even if the federation has been in existence for over a hundred years. Hence our system for identifying top talent still has ways to go. One remedy would be to create a comprehensive nationwide scouting system. This is easier said than done but what they can do to start would be to keep tabs on all existing players of the countless youth teams in the country. They can do this by holding a year long annual youth competition for all the member local FA’s. The local FA’s can then identify the top talents in said competitions. That information can then be relayed to the head office of the PFF which the youth head coach can then utilize to consider who to call up for the national teams. This system is far from perfect, but it can be a good solution in the short term. A long term solution would be a mix of this system and having professional youth academies running nationwide, preferably affiliated with existing PFL teams. Preparation is KEY. By FAILING TO PREPARE, you are PREPARING TO FAIL. This quote couldn’t be used at a much better time than now. This youth team was given TWO WEEKS to prepare for this tournament. That could work if they were joining a competition where they are the overwhelming favourites, but sadly this isn’t one of those contests. We were going in as perennial underdogs as usual, and two weeks of preparation was pouring salt into the wounds so to speak. This team was hastily assembled and it showed on the field. The players were everywhere, and in a bad way. Attackers didn’t know whether to stay in their positions, or make the run. Defenders didn’t know if they should commit to their opponent or drop back. They were confused. Clearly these kids weren’t familiar with each other’s tendencies. Having highly touted recruits from abroad did not do much because of the lack of familiarity between the players. The lack of attention to prepare for these tournaments, no matter how talented we think the players we are sending will only have negative results. In age group tournaments, especially international competitions, preparation is always the most important factor. These kids rarely, if ever, play with or against each other. The only way these players can perform as a unit is if they were given time to train and learn together. This has been a difficult result to stomach for Philippine football fans. One can only hope that the players of our youth team pick up valuable experience from these events. Let this serve as a wake up call for all the shareholders of Philippine football that we still have a lot of catching up to do. These kids are the future of our national team, and they deserve better. ___________ Most every team in the current 2018 U16 AFF championship has trained for at least a month or more before competing in the AFF championship. Even a small country like Timor Leste spent 2 months training their kids with the last few weeks training abroad in Indonesia to prepare for the competition. The PFF only sent a team trained for 2 weeks and then expects them to be able to compete against kids many of which were trained in professional academies. Where is the sense in that? I thought that since they have now their own national team training center established to house and train their players better, that they would follow other countries and prepare their youth teams better and longer, but it is more of the same. I also have been calling for a national scouting system to be developed for years, but this simple solution seems to elude the powers that be at the PFF as well. Lack of organization, foresight and preparation continue to bedevil the leadership to this day and yet they expect their teams to get results. They shouldn't expect any different if they don't put in the work to make their teams competitive.
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