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Post by beho on Mar 19, 2011 17:32:46 GMT 8
Maybe this is the initial sign of Macca > Weiss Cutillas did not touch the playing philosophy of Macca when he was interviewed pre Leg 1 against Indonesia. After the match on Monday, we could really verify which is which ;D ;Dwho is juan cutillas anyway? ;D
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Post by curtlanceunited on Mar 19, 2011 18:42:22 GMT 8
beho, I am no expert but here is what long time Philippine coach Juan Cutillas has to say: "I think the team lost some credibility,” he said. “No excuses for the loss. We should’ve beaten Mongolia. We had little passing. We couldn’t change the pace of the game. We weren’t helping each other out. We needed to play a more compact game. Instead, we played to the pace of Mongolia with long balls. Mongolia played physical. We didn’t play our game.” He is really directing his criticism at Coach Weiss with this comments. >:(did you know how long juan cutillas coached the rp team for how long & for nothing, i don't know if he's just jealous or what , the records speak for itself' , what i,m trying to drive at is give weiss a chance until after the game vs. burma before you give your comments, bec. the 2nd leg game vs, mongolia was played in an unlevel playing field, so please wait till mar.21 that's all i'm asking thank you! I totally agree with you Buddy. It's still too early to be judging Coach W and to think it was still his 2nd game for the Azkals and in a very unforgiving atmosphere in Ulan Bator. IMO its fun to watch how the Azkals play now and how they are trying to incorporate a passing game and a better brand of Football. Not just like in the Suzuki Cup wherein the Midfield are only doing tackles and no proper link up with our Forwards.
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Post by badleftfoot on Mar 19, 2011 19:02:06 GMT 8
Mga kabayan ... playing away is hard ... even the world's top teams like ManU, RealM, Chelsea are always cautious ... Barcelona got paired with Shakstar from the Ukraine and the first thing that comes out from them is it is very diffIcult to play in cold Ukraine. How does Ukraine compare to Mongolia? ... Now, having scored in Mongolia, was double the reward. It meant that the Mongolians had to beat us with a 4-1 score, which is a pretty high number of goals to make, unless you are Barcelona. So, please get off the Azkal and Coach W Bashing Bus for now. And Cutillas? He is just trying to get his 1 cent in to sound relevant for the Azkals. He is not an insider anymore, so what he knows and sees, are the same thing we know and see, from the TV, that is. I am really looking forward to the Myanmar games and see how they do. That is the test.
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Post by beho on Mar 19, 2011 19:27:45 GMT 8
Mga kabayan ... playing away is hard ... even the world's top teams like ManU, RealM, Chelsea are always cautious ... Barcelona got paired with Shakstar from the Ukraine and the first thing that comes out from them is it is very diffIcult to play in cold Ukraine. How does Ukraine compare to Mongolia? ... Now, having scored in Mongolia, was double the reward. It meant that the Mongolians had to beat us with a 4-1 score, which is a pretty high number of goals to make, unless you are Barcelona. So, please get off the Azkal and Coach W Bashing Bus for now. And Cutillas? He is just trying to get his 1 cent in to sound relevant for the Azkals. He is not an insider anymore, so what he knows and sees, are the same thing we know and see, from the TV, that is. I am really looking forward to the Myanmar games and see how they do. That is the test. ;Dcan't agree more with you man! ;D
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Post by vimjonk on Mar 19, 2011 19:58:01 GMT 8
that's what me and cj is pointing out ;D
we can clearly see who is better on Monday since Macca have already drawn with Myanmar with a much less quality team.
we should win against Myanmar and a 0-0 against them is no longer acceptable.
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Post by beho on Mar 19, 2011 21:13:04 GMT 8
that's what me and cj is pointing out ;D we can clearly see who is better on Monday since Macca have already drawn with Myanmar with a much less quality team. we should win against Myanmar and a 0-0 against them is no longer acceptable. ;Dok man let's wait til monday ;D
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Post by cjeagle on Mar 20, 2011 0:06:34 GMT 8
Beho, As I have said before I hope we do well next week. Juan Cutillas was a a little too harsh, wasn't he? Unfortunately I agree with most of the things he said although I wouldn't put it so harshly. I know all about his record with the Philippine team which wasn't really very different with the other coaches at that time period. In my opinion his experiences with the team has made him too much of a pessimist. He did have a fine record in Australia though, where he had better personnel to deal with and is well respected there. I am really excited to see how the addition of Lucena and Angel Guirado will improve the offence. Too bad Phil Y can't join that offence as he wouldn't be marked so tightly. If the defence holds up(and thats the key), I don't see any reason why we can't win this game.
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Post by beho on Mar 20, 2011 0:54:16 GMT 8
Beho, As I have said before I hope we do well next week. Juan Cutillas was a real harsh, wasn't he? Unfortunately I agree with most of the things he said although I wouldn't put it so harshly. I know all about his record with the Philippine team which wasn't really very different with the other coaches at that time period. In my opinion his experiences with the team has made him too much of a pessimist. He did have a fine record in Australia though, where he had better personnel to deal with and is well respected there. I am really excited to see how the addition of Lucena and Angel Guirado will improve the offence. Too bad Phil Y can't join that offence as he wouldn't be marked so tightly. If the defence holds up(and thats the key), I don't see any reason why we can't win this game. ;Dthe element of surprise is also on our side, the burmese knows nothing about angel & william, let's just hope for the best, that they can perform true to their potentials, after the game vs. burma i hope all of us would have a wide grin on our faces, peace bro! ;D
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Post by vimjonk on Mar 20, 2011 9:39:19 GMT 8
www.inquirer.net/sports/articles/Azkals-brace-for-dogfight-in-Rangoon.htmlDisclaimer: (Everyone here knows I'm a Macca fan ;D ) but I read the above article as Coach Weiss preparing for a final handwashing? compared to Macca on going to Hanoi, McMenemy was very upbeat in saying that his team would have a respectable finish in the Suzuki Cup. In fact, everyone was laughing his ass off when they lost 8-0 to a 2nd Div. team in Thailand Nakhom Pathom prior to the games in Vietnam. Sorry, the Malaya article link is dead. Malaya news archiving s*cks.
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Post by slayermoonlight on Mar 20, 2011 12:13:42 GMT 8
... - the Azkal should really develop an innate attacking doctrine and should be instilled within the team. no need for shouting instruction from the sidelines. it should be automatic, instinct. isang tiningnan at sensyasan lang alam na win. (*noticed when they played against Indonesia during the Suzuki Cup semis?). Shouting instructions from the sidelines is not really a bad thing. Great football managers is doing it all the time. Mourinho, Fergie, Rafa, Pep, etc. Sometimes, the team captain would be too immersed in the game and forget the correct run of play I didn't say its a bad thing. Giving instruction in the sideline is deemed necessary if your team is in disarray. What I'm trying to point out is the whole football team (players, coach, manager) should implement an "offensive indoctrination" which will, I hope, becomes an instinct of the team especially during breaks and counterattacks. An automatic mindset when opportunity arises without any shouting instructions. i.e. Notice the Suzuki Cup video match vs Myanmar when they have to shout: "Ian!!!". That should have been a clear goal for us. Now going back to Mr. Weiss, although some of us here still "holding on to McMenemy's magic experience". Whether we like it or not, AFC regulations on coach credentials makes Mr. McMenemy, unfit to coach the Azkals for the AFC.
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Post by vimjonk on Mar 20, 2011 13:19:03 GMT 8
... Now going back to Mr. Weiss, although some of us here still "holding on to McMenemy's magic experience". Whether we like it or not, AFC regulations on coach credentials makes Mr. McMenemy, unfit to coach the Azkals for the AFC. It's not holding on to the magic experience but rather keeping what we already have. You don't just throw old clothes when you acquire a new one and it's the very sturdy defense that we have already. Modern football is not about scoring goals anymore but limiting how many your opponents could have. Many consider this as a negative attitude but this is how modern football has evolved. Only one relatively successful National Team(Bielsa's Chile) has espoused a pure attacking mentality. Current popular team philosophy is that an attack should start from a strong defense. It is one of the reasons that holding midfielders are the norm today to smoothen the transition from defense to offense. Spain and Barca uses two holding midfielders (4-2-3-1) and uses possession football to its extreme limits (above 80%). The main philosophy is that if the opponent don't have the ball, then they have no chance of scoring ;D As for the credential thing, please let us forget this thing. AFC has already said so and it is not required. It is plain BS from the Phil. football powers-that-be. The coaching level requirement is only for club football and never for national teams. As I have read somewhere, Pacquiao and Vice Ganda could coach the AzKals and the AFC would not give a ****.
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Post by cjeagle on Mar 20, 2011 14:28:51 GMT 8
Well this is probably the wrong thread for this but just in case anybody is interested McMenemy is still following and rooting for the Azkals. Here is his latest tweet:
"Will be a big test for the Azkals without Phil, will be praying for good results. Time to shine Ian Araneta." about 18 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone
Apparently his first game with his Vietnam team is this Sunday. He has also been communicating with Chris Greatwich. I get the impression he would rather be with the Azkals than his current job. Must be the language barrier. Many Filipino fans still tweet him once and a while.
Simon is in the past though. He needs to get over it and so do we. I still hope the new era of Coach Weiss is a successful one despite my reservations.
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Post by fadzki on Mar 20, 2011 20:10:42 GMT 8
During Coach Mcmenemy's time in building up the team for suzuki cup 2010 was the team intact from the suzuki cup qualifier to the suzuki cup itself... or is it the same as now were they will come a few days before a tournament...
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Post by vimjonk on Mar 20, 2011 21:21:05 GMT 8
Nope, there are changes. Like Manny Ott and Mark Drinkuth. They are present in the qualifier but not in the Group Stages or the semi-final.
As for the team composition, other Fil-Fors fly direct to Hanoi just like now that some Fil-Fors fly direct Yangoon.
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Post by cjeagle on Mar 21, 2011 0:01:44 GMT 8
Acc. to this article in Malaya, Weiss is adopting a more defensive counterattacking approach:
WITH new faces yet to be fully integrated into his squad, Philippine Team coach Hans Michael Weiss will aim for a more conservative approach against host Myanmar today as the country kicks off its campaign in the Asian Challenge Cup.
"Since we will play on Myanmar’s home ground, we will be have a much more defensive game, much more counterattacking," said Weiss, whose charges tangle with the Burmese at the Myanmar Football Federation Youth Center at 3:30 p.m. (5 p.m. Manila time).
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