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Post by takernz on Jul 8, 2011 21:25:41 GMT 8
one problem is that the philippine youth is also that maybe many like to play football, but just cant because there are so less pitches, compared to people. in germany even the smallest towns got a football club and many pitches or at least big grass fields with goals. thats what the pff should do first...develop many football pitches all over the philippines. so that the youth can discover their passion for football and become better and even more better. Germany is 50X more land mass area compared to PH, so, building pitches is out of the question but we, as Filipinos, can improvise like futkal, or make existing basketball court into pitches and not necessarily with grass and the goal is very easy to make than a 10-foot hoop
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Post by 6studs on Jul 8, 2011 21:37:50 GMT 8
it would be also ok just to start with a "Bolzplatz" (in UK they will call it "Kickabout area") wooden goals on a sand pitch would be cheap and enough for the first experience. the youth need a place, where they can play together. a organized club will be the next step with real grass pitches. here in england, you can see a lot of football pitches on your local area,,,even if theres none, local parks has a big space where you can just use your bags or coat as the goal post even on play parks most of the open basketball court has a goal underneath the ring even the filipinos who migrated here that i know of cant play...they can watch the game and try to understand how everything works. but ask everyone that theres a basketball sunday game...and everyone shows up i still play during sundays for fun game...but most of the time i play along with arab locals...and if the pitch is forbiden to be used, i play basketball with my kababayans compared in the philippines, its quite different...basketball courts can be found everywhere...and it used to be the king of the road as well and also the culture there is different...local barangays can initiate tournaments among nearby barangays as well some barangays has a covered basketball court in their area theres no shortages of players...people,relatives ,neighbors can watch the game and doesnt have to travel that far. and above all, people in the philippines do understand basketball better [as an example, would it be easy for everyone new to football to understand when frank lampards strike against germany was nullified during the last world cup?]no i dont either....but everyone sees its a goal...but in basketball, we support video technology....so as not to confuse everyone and in the fairness of sport also people in the philippines has got used to the culture of high scoring game... my mom was a bit gutted watching me play during the rifa days when the score ended up 0-0. she asked...you played 90minutes just for eggs? but one difference between this two is that....basketball has a professional league in which the one of the owners also supports the national basketball team. they have a lot of proper venues to play the game...even some provinces has their own "coliseum" if only there are lots of public grounds where anyone can play...then it sounds promising and to add: most schools either primary, secondary or collegiate has one way or another has a basketball court[and this includes far away rural areas]...but football pitch is limited or ask first if theres a pitch if you want to enroll in that school [ thats what i did in those times]
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Post by marie on Jul 8, 2011 22:26:48 GMT 8
well? in football it does not matter whether your tall or short .. you can play football and thats one advantage but in basketball? you got to have the height and everybody knows that, 1 advantage is height so all i can say is? it will surpass basketball.
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Post by tombucho on Jul 8, 2011 22:37:57 GMT 8
btw, short comment on ronnie nathanielsz post....its unfair to compare rp vs. sri lanka to pba games.. the azkals is the national team. of course filipinos will support it. he should compare smart gilas vs azkals or ufl games vs. pba games... if you want a fair comparison i agree that the two being compared are on the same level. pba vs ufl is not a fair comparison because one is already well establishe while the other still isn't. galis vs azkals now this is fair because both are of the same level as both are big stars. so let's start the comparison: how many watched galis on tv or live on their fiba asia championships games held here in the philippines last june? di napuno ang venue. the cheapest ticket was 10pesos but still wasn't sold out na pinamigay na nga lang eh. now how many watched home game of azkals vs sri on tv or live? puno ang venue. the cheapest ticket were sold out. now please this isn't basketball vs football. you totally missed the point. when you compare popularity of basketball vs football in the phils, you dont compare 2 pba games vs 2 national football games. 2 years,3 years down the road, you have to ask yourself, would people still be supporting the azkals the way they do now? before you can say that RP football is really really that popular, wait after we get hammered by japan, south korea, iraq, australia and all those asian powers if we even get that far. Heck we havent even shown yet we can beat indonesia or malaysia...Its good that the azkals have been winning but lets see when the loosing starts...Too much expectations leads to a great deal of frustration...
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Post by bluefeather80 on Jul 8, 2011 22:51:05 GMT 8
nagbabasa ka ba o hindi? i agreed with you na mali nga ang comparison ni ronnie of the azkals games vs pba games. hence i compared gilas games against azkals games. now both of those are national teams. i said gilas games in fiba asia championships held nung june lang vs azkals game against srilanka. so di mo na masasabing pba game lang yan vs national football game kasi that is a national basketball game vs national football game comparison. wala naman dito in denial na marami pang kakaining bigas ang pinas pagdating sa futbol eh. if people kept supporting basketball even if they've been hammered by the asian powers all through these years, there's no reason the pinoys won't do the same for football. what's important is that people have been made aware of the beauty of this sport.
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Post by narko on Jul 8, 2011 23:00:54 GMT 8
if you want a fair comparison i agree that the two being compared are on the same level. pba vs ufl is not a fair comparison because one is already well establishe while the other still isn't. galis vs azkals now this is fair because both are of the same level as both are big stars. so let's start the comparison: how many watched galis on tv or live on their fiba asia championships games held here in the philippines last june? di napuno ang venue. the cheapest ticket was 10pesos but still wasn't sold out na pinamigay na nga lang eh. now how many watched home game of azkals vs sri on tv or live? puno ang venue. the cheapest ticket were sold out. now please this isn't basketball vs football. you totally missed the point. when you compare popularity of basketball vs football in the phils, you dont compare 2 pba games vs 2 national football games. 2 years,3 years down the road, you have to ask yourself, would people still be supporting the azkals the way they do now? before you can say that RP football is really really that popular, wait after we get hammered by japan, south korea, iraq, australia and all those asian powers if we even get that far. Heck we havent even shown yet we can beat indonesia or malaysia...Its good that the azkals have been winning but lets see when the loosing starts...Too much expectations leads to a great deal of frustration... And that's the problem with a lot of people out there. They don't know how to handle losing and the frustration that comes with it. It says a lot of a person that once the team is losing they lose interest and bail. What does it say of a country and its people if the prevailing attitude is "united in victory, each to his own in defeat?" By learning and adopting an attitude that allows us to be united in victory as well as in defeat, we build a foundation for progress. When we start facing the Asian powerhouses and being put in our place, I will take those lumps, wallow in misery and pain with my friends over drinks and then get back out there again at the next opportunity because one day we'll get there. We just have to believe, because without belief and hope, what do you have? Nothing.
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Post by narko on Jul 8, 2011 23:01:55 GMT 8
nagbabasa ka ba o hindi? i agreed with you na mali nga ang comparison ni ronnie of the azkals games vs pba games. hence i compared gilas games against azkals games. now both of those are national teams. i said gilas games in fiba asia championships held nung june lang vs azkals game against srilanka. so di mo na masasabing pba game lang yan vs national football game kasi that is a national basketball game vs national football game comparison. wala naman dito in denial na marami pang kakaining bigas ang pinas pagdating sa futbol eh. if people kept supporting basketball even if they've been hammered by the asian powers all through these years, there's no reason the pinoys won't do the same for football. what's important is that people have been made aware of the beauty of this sport. Good point you make there bluefeather.
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Post by samhain13 on Jul 8, 2011 23:30:28 GMT 8
2 years,3 years down the road, you have to ask yourself, would people still be supporting the azkals the way they do now? This total BS. 6 years, 10 years ago— when a 1-0 loss to Vietnam would have been an achievement— football already had a following. Where do you think the moniker, Azkals, came from? The past 6 months of good showing just intensified how the football fan base felt about the national team and the game in general. But that fan base had already been there. But that's just it. People who have intense feelings for football accept the fact that we will be hammered by countries like Japan and South Korea should the Azkals face them now. Heck, even a win against Kuwait is going to be treated like a miracle. LOL, we're not delusional. I have to admit though. If we do not do well in next year's Challenge Cup, I will be extremely disappointed. Does that mean I'm going to turn my back on the Azkals? Hell, no. And then there are the fan girls who are just after the pretty faces. Win or lose, as long as the faces remain pretty, I'd bet they'll still be here to stay. ;D
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Post by cjeagle on Jul 8, 2011 23:52:48 GMT 8
you guys talk about pitches in every town. we don't have those. in south america they play football or futsal on the street. have two cans on each side and a ball and they are ready to go. play on the street or on a basketball court. play futsal and learn to control the ball. you develop technique and dribbling skills that way. later on of course you need to play on a field and have organized games but for children even playing on your garage and kicking the ball on the wall and then controlling it helps develop your first touch and technique. Futsal should be encouraged for those towns without fields.
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Post by Ka Roger on Jul 8, 2011 23:55:10 GMT 8
This is typical to those critics, they want to wait till someone makes a wrong move, and they will bash it then move on, then try to find another thing to bash again.
Let's hope that this team won't end up like Smart Gilas.
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Post by bluefeather80 on Jul 9, 2011 0:25:59 GMT 8
since we're already in the business of mentioning veteran media people like nathanielsz, i'd like to introduce this article by another veteran.
sports.inquirer.net/4640/maintenance-medication-to-cure-ph-basketball Maintenance medication to cure PH basketball? By Recah Trinidad "But what visibly took Toroman’s goat was the poor, spiritless stand by the team in the battle for the bronze against the Qatari team."
matagal nang ganyan ang attitude ng lahat ng basketball nt natin. they always wanted the gold or at least silver.pag battle for bronze na, they won't give their all and fight as if they're battling for gold. kasi pakiramdam nila BRONZE LANG. they feel as if bronze isn't glory enough. they don't realize na what's really important is not the kind of medal you got but to show our country the fighting spirit.
one thing that football and other sports got them going is this, gone are the days that people will say "matalo ang lahat wag lang ang basketball." for people now are awake and intelligent enough to know pinas sports is not only about basketball and people now realize the sacrifice all the other neglected lessfunded sports and athletes have sacrificed that they'd know it would be utterly stupid to say again matalo ang lahat wag lang ang basketball.
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Post by Ka Roger on Jul 9, 2011 0:41:27 GMT 8
since we're already in the business of mentioning veteran media people like nathanielsz, i'd like to introduce this article by another veteran. sports.inquirer.net/4640/maintenance-medication-to-cure-ph-basketball Maintenance medication to cure PH basketball? By Recah Trinidad "But what visibly took Toroman’s goat was the poor, spiritless stand by the team in the battle for the bronze against the Qatari team." matagal nang ganyan ang attitude ng lahat ng basketball nt natin. they always wanted the gold or at least silver.pag battle for bronze na, they won't give their all and fight as if they're battling for gold. kasi pakiramdam nila BRONZE LANG. they feel as if bronze isn't glory enough. they don't realize na what's really important is not the kind of medal you got but to show our country the fighting spirit. one thing that football and other sports got them going is this, gone are the days that people will say "matalo ang lahat wag lang ang basketball." for people now are awake and intelligent enough to know pinas sports is not only about basketball and people now realize the sacrifice all the other neglected lessfunded sports and athletes have sacrificed that they'd know it would be utterly stupid to say again matalo ang lahat wag lang ang basketball. at first medyo di ko maintindihan ng buo ung part na ito but realized it's true. a very very good point. +1 there. Really summed up the issue for me. It's the problem of having to adopt many kinds of Testosterone-filled sports. Obvious naman ang mga sports na gusto ng pinoy. Let's take an example sa mga ama natin. My dad opt to watch UFC, boxing and PBA or a bit of NBA. Lahat testosterone games eh, ego ata ang isa sa mga aspeto sa mga laro na ito. My dad's not alone, there are alot of people who watches more of those beat-em-up/shoot-and-scoot games rather than of team sports. Masaklap pa, more people supported NBA here rather than of PBA. I don't know kung traydor sila or hindi sa Inang bayan. Well the basketball sector has its own share of problems, but heck, since basketball is a major sport here in our country, why didn't PBA strike the iron whilst it's hot diba? Napakaraming panahon noon na ma improve ang team ng basketball, pero hanggang 2011 we still need a developmental team like Smart Gilas to play.
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Post by o8t8s8o on Jul 9, 2011 1:19:54 GMT 8
And that's the problem with a lot of people out there. They don't know how to handle losing and the frustration that comes with it. It says a lot of a person that once the team is losing they lose interest and bail. What does it say of a country and its people if the prevailing attitude is "united in victory, each to his own in defeat?" By learning and adopting an attitude that allows us to be united in victory as well as in defeat, we build a foundation for progress. When we start facing the Asian powerhouses and being put in our place, I will take those lumps, wallow in misery and pain with my friends over drinks and then get back out there again at the next opportunity because one day we'll get there. We just have to believe, because without belief and hope, what do you have? Nothing. nice and that's how ill take our defeat too. basta walang iwanan...
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Post by cowscrubber on Jul 9, 2011 1:58:06 GMT 8
one problem is that the philippine youth is also that maybe many like to play football, but just cant because there are so less pitches, compared to people. in germany even the smallest towns got a football club and many pitches or at least big grass fields with goals. thats what the pff should do first...develop many football pitches all over the philippines. so that the youth can discover their passion for football and become better and even more better. Germany is 50X more land mass area compared to PH, so, building pitches is out of the question but we, as Filipinos, can improvise like futkal, or make existing basketball court into pitches and not necessarily with grass and the goal is very easy to make than a 10-foot hoop No it's not 50x larger. Philippines - 299,764 km2 Germany - 357,021 km2 Germany is not that much larger... But anyway, I think more green spaces in public parks is good. It's healthier for an urban areas, anyway. Or better yet, promote futkal! Won't it be a good sight to see goalposts at local baranggays than basketball courts?
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Post by jhelmmy on Jul 9, 2011 2:22:05 GMT 8
you guys talk about pitches in every town. we don't have those. in south america they play football or futsal on the street. have two cans on each side and a ball and they are ready to go. play on the street or on a basketball court. play futsal and learn to control the ball. you develop technique and dribbling skills that way. later on of course you need to play on a field and have organized games but for children even playing on your garage and kicking the ball on the wall and then controlling it helps develop your first touch and technique. Futsal should be encouraged for those towns without fields. Alam ko meron na tayong Futsal dito, tawag nila is Futkal or Futbol sa Kalye. yung mga players, tawag nila e Futkaleros
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