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Post by cjeagle on Jun 8, 2011 6:12:19 GMT 8
SEAG team gets football advisor By FRANCIS SANTIAGO June 8, 2011, 12:12am MANILA, Philippines — Veteran German coach Erich Rutemoller has been named advisor for the soon-to-be formed Under-23 squad national football team to the Southeast Asian Games. He will assist Azkals coach Michael Weiss in preparing the team to a competition where the Philippines has established a reputation as the tournament’s whipping boy. Since competing in the regional meet for over two decades, the country has never contended for a SEAG football medal. The Philippine Football Association hopes to change all that with Wiess at the helm and Rutemoller backing him up. “He’s coming over because I want to make sure the team (U-23) will be given the same appreciation and attention like the Azkals,” Weiss said of his mentor. The SEA Games will be held in Indonesia from Nov. 11 to 25 in Palembang and the capital city of Jakarta. The assistant coach for the German national team from 1994-2004, Rutemoller, 66, will fly in the country on June 27, Weiss said. Dan Palami, who acts both as team manager of the Azkals and the U-23 squad, said they decided to hire Rutemoller to oversee the formation of the team in lieu of Weiss, who may not be around all the time since he is also preparing the Azkals for the qualifying tournament for the 2014 World Cup. The Azkals are set to face Sri Lanka in the World Cup qualifier on June 29. Rutemoller brings in him an impressive resume and experience that could help the country end its medal hunt in SEAG football since 1977. Aside from being head coach for Germany’s U-21 and U-17 squads, he also mentored the Iran national football team in 2009 and handled German club teams like FC Koln, Hansa Rostock and Bonner SC. ______________________________ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_RutemöllerCoach Rutemoller was just hired to coach the U-23 team. He seems to have better credentials than Coach Weiss. If Weiss falters, and Rutemoller does well with the U-23, we could install him as head coach of the Azkals without insulting the DFB. Hopefully he could also help Coach Weiss on the senior team. He has experience coaching German national teams which is very impressive as well as being a coach with the Iranian national team which means he has experience with Asian teams. Maybe Dan has been reading our posts. ;D
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Post by vimjonk on Jun 8, 2011 7:16:26 GMT 8
i see it as handling over the torch. so that when Weiss would have his disastrous results (against Sri Lanka or Kuwait) he would have a graceful exit I'm glad that Palami is already preparing for such eventualities.
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 8, 2011 7:22:07 GMT 8
This thread makes me laugh. Obviously, Weiss looks bad on paper. And it is very unfair to judge him by just the results of tune-up games. If you guys were in contact with Azkals insiders during the McMenemy time, you would know that they had a LOT of complaints about McMenemy. Some of which you may already know: incompetence, laid-back attitude, irresponsibility. Characteristics which are not that of a national football team coach. Now that this issue has been opened up again, I would like to spill the beans. (all that is narrated below is based on my conversations with members of the coaching staff and several Azkals)Do you guys remember Des Bulpin? The highly-rated English coach we had before Macca? Yes, that guy was really good. In fact, he could be the greatest coach we ever had. And don't say he's not because he lost to a University team and drew with Taiwan. He managed Premier League side Tottenham and was instrumental in developing talents like Jermaine Defoe and Peter Crouch, the two gentlemen regard him, even today, as a top-quality coach. Des was in charge of the national team from December 2009 to August 2010, a total of eight months in charge. In his stint he only had two games in charge which were against Taipei P.E. College and the Taiwan national team in the Interport Cup. This was only in January 2010, barely a month since he was in charge. In the entire eight months he was in charge he supervised the training of the Azkals wholeheartedly, even though his pay was suspended at times. Yes, the administration of Mari Martinez failed to give him his wages several times. But regardless of this, he still fulfilled his job and trained the Azkals, as well as educated the local coaches, to become world-class athletes. Sadly, in August of 2010 Des Bulpin got fed-up with Mari Martinez and left his job. In fact, he even sued the PFF for all the wages they owed him. After eight months of being mentored by Coach Des, the PFF found a new coach in Simon McMenemy. Another British coach, but this time, not anywhere near as experienced as Coach Des. No. In fact, his previous job was assistant coach of a non-league English side. In case you guys don't know what a non-league side is, it's the lowest tier in the English football system. Yes, despite a lot of criticism (from the few fans we had then) Simon McMenemy was at the helm of the Azkals coaching staff. And his timing could not have been more perfect, as later that year, in October, the Azkals stepped up in the Long Teng Cup. We lost one, drew one and won our last game against Macau. Even if we came third out of fourth, the Azkals team was praised for brandishing a style of football that caused their opponents some difficulties. Even at this time, the Azkals coaching staff already has a lot of complaint against Macca. Some of which was that he would actually go with the foreign-based Azkals in bars to party. Another issue was that his coaching style seemed incompetent: he had no clear tactics and couldn't explain himself too well. At that time as well, Dan Palami's camp were in contact with the DFB, the German Football Association. The DFB is renowned for giving assistant packages to struggling national teams, beneficiaries in the past included Tanzania and Rwanda. Talks were ongoing regarding a new football coach, facilities and a training camp in Germany. I was told that Macca knew about this deal, which is why it was surprising when he said that he was 'shocked' that he was replaced without him knowing. The Azkals had more games towards the end of 2010, including the Suzuki Cup. However, in training, Macca would always desert the team, I was told that he went to go shopping and buy groceries. YES, he left training to go shopping. Whenever this would happen, the local coaches would step in, and using the knowledge they got from Coach Bulpin, would train the Azkals themselves. This method of training the Azkals went on until Coach Simon was finally replaced by the coach that came with the aid package from the DFB. Coach Weiss stepped in. What I was told by some Azkals coaches and players was that Coach Weiss is definitely stricter, but he knows what he's doing, way more than Coach Simon. His style is different, this probably explains why the Azkals are struggling to perform. Let us remember, that if we were to decide who has more experience on paper, Coach Weiss is the sure winner. However, results-wise, Coach Macca has the upper hand, particularly because he benefited from the strategies already instilled to the team by Coach Des. So before we judge, let us think of the facts first: Bulpin sowed the seeds, McMenemy reaped the harvest, now all of a sudden he is the hero.
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Post by vimjonk on Jun 8, 2011 7:56:10 GMT 8
^^^
i have already heard this story before, in fact Mari Martinez also used this line against Macca. Remember that press conference about him replacing him and hire a Brazilian coach? But as it was, is only an insider rumor at PFF and was widely believed as the invention pro-Martinez anti-Palami camp. If this rumor had a semblance of truth, Palami could have easily fired Macca just like a houseboy if he wanted to since Palami is the one directly paying McMenemy's salary.
But Palami did not bother to issue a statement to confirm or deny this. In fact, when his ass is fried when Weiss replaced Macca, he could have only confirmed the rumor and Macca would be discredited in a huff. Instead, he issued a veiled apology that Twitter beat him to it in breaking the news of Macca replacement.
So, as it is, is only an unfounded and baseless rumor. As common fans of football, my friends and I would only see the results. Macca could be the worst coach the AzKals ever had and reaped the fruits of Bulpin's labor but results/performance speaks louder than all paper credentials and rumor mills combined.
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 8, 2011 8:26:44 GMT 8
^^^ i have already heard this story before, in fact Mari Martinez also used this line against Macca. Remember that press conference about him replacing him and hire a Brazilian coach? But as it was, is only an insider rumor at PFF and was widely believed as the invention pro-Martinez anti-Palami camp. If this rumor had a semblance of truth, Palami could have easily fired Macca just like a houseboy if he wanted to since Palami is the one directly paying McMenemy's salary. But Palami did not bother to issue a statement to confirm or deny this. In fact, when his ass is fried when Weiss replaced Macca, he could have only confirmed the rumor and Macca would be discredited in a huff. Instead, he issued a veiled apology that Twitter beat him to it in breaking the news of Macca replacement. So, as it is, is only an unfounded and baseless rumor. As common fans of football, my friends and I would only see the results. Macca could be the worst coach the AzKals ever had and reaped the fruits of Bulpin's labor but results/performance speaks louder than all paper credentials and rumor mills combined. I beg to disagree. This is more than just a rumour. Why would Palami fire Macca? That would be bad for PR. Macca was very popular among the fans. It would be way easier, and less of a risk, for him to just wait for his contract to expire and then give the explanation that Macca does not have the required UEFA B license. And to prove my point, here is an FB note by an Azkals coordinator that I was tagged to on FB: To see for yourself: www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=185363238159350And you're saying results/performances speak louder? Well, take a look at McMenemy's new team, Đồng Tâm Long An F.C. They were former V-League champions and are one of the most renowned team in Vietnam. They had troubles last season, finishing 5th out of 14, which came as a surprise so they sacked their coach and hired McMenemy to SUPPOSEDLY improve their results. Where are they now? Last place! The team lies at the bottom of the 14-team league! Why? Because McMenemy doesn't have his assistant coaches to rely on anymore. I bet he's going to clubs in Vietnam and skipping training for shopping. See for yourself: www.vleague.vn/component/listdoi/12.html?cid=18
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Post by Katipunero on Jun 8, 2011 9:31:32 GMT 8
I would have to attest to the claims about the shortcomings of Macca. One bad habit I've heard is he would be to lenient when it came to meeting times whether it was for training or team meetings. Such as at a mere suggestion of a later meeting time by the players he would easily give in. We should expect more discipline and command out of a NT head coach as little things like this could translate to results on the field in the long run.
We can't merely rely on results alone! We have to see how those results are achieved. Although Macca may deserve some credit it is evident that Bulpin's system and methods that created the road to success. It's too early to judge whether Weiss' tenure is a success, but I do know that his ways as well as as the help we received from the German Federation is the better direction for us at the moment.
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Post by xyz1000 on Jun 8, 2011 10:14:45 GMT 8
The Coach Bulpin supporters just can't get over the fact that when Coach Mc was at the helm, the Azkals were fantastic. You have to give credit where it is due.
If the Azkals failed miserably at the Suzuki Cup, would it have been Coach Bulpin's or Coach Mc's undoing? So let it go with the Bulpin over-influence. I'm willing to concede that Coach Bulpin prepared the Azkals, but in the end, you have to give more credit to the coach who was on the field, who picked the starting players, who picked the substitutes, who decided the strategy, who motivated the players during game time. Did Coach Bulpin do that?
Where was Coach Bulpin when the Azkals were playing Singapore?
Where was Coach Bulpin when the Azkals won against Vietnam?
Leave it alone.
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 8, 2011 10:36:24 GMT 8
The Coach Bulpin supporters just can't get over the fact that when Coach Mc was at the helm, the Azkals were fantastic. You have to give credit where it is due. If the Azkals failed miserably at the Suzuki Cup, would it have been Coach Bulpin's or Coach Mc's undoing? So let it go with the Bulpin over-influence. I'm willing to concede that Coach Bulpin prepared the Azkals, but in the end, you have to give more credit to the coach who was on the field, who picked the starting players, who picked the substitutes, who decided the strategy, who motivated the players during game time. Did Coach Bulpin do that? Where was Coach Bulpin when the Azkals were playing Singapore? Where was Coach Bulpin when the Azkals won against Vietnam? Leave it alone. He did not need to be there, the local coaches trio of Cabalida, Pinero and Brackamonte handled the situation from the knowledge they got from Des Bulpin. Whenever Macca would go on a shopping spree, these coaches would be the ones training the players. And McMenemy, of course because he is at the helm and known as the head coach, gets all the credit for the work that they do. It's not that big of a deal choosing players, just select your best first XI and expect results. Haven't you noticed that during the time of Macca he barely used substitutes? That's because he relied on his starting XI to deliver. His squad had no depth. McMenemy supporters, GET OVER IT. You were living in the illusion that McMenemy was some kind of a Messiah. The truth is, he's only useful when he has his assistant coaches to rely on. This guy has no prior experience and barely knew how to do his job.
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Post by xyz1000 on Jun 8, 2011 11:20:11 GMT 8
... It's not that big of a deal choosing players, just select your best first XI and expect results. Haven't you noticed that during the time of Macca he barely used substitutes? That's because he relied on his starting XI to deliver. His squad had no depth. ... I expected more from the admin of these boards than to espouse such nonsense. Clearly you don't know what coaching is about and perhaps this is why you're not willing to give credit where it is due. Coach Mc deserves credit, no matter how you see it. There's no way around it. Give credit to the coach who was with the team when they were playing. Where was Coach Bulpin when the Azkals played two good games, even though they lost, against Indonesia? Who was motivating the players during those games?
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 8, 2011 11:26:37 GMT 8
... It's not that big of a deal choosing players, just select your best first XI and expect results. Haven't you noticed that during the time of Macca he barely used substitutes? That's because he relied on his starting XI to deliver. His squad had no depth. ... I expected more from the admin of these boards than to espouse such nonsense. Clearly you don't know what coaching is about and perhaps this is why you're not willing to give credit where it is due. Coach Mc deserves credit, no matter how you see it. There's no way around it. Give credit to the coach who was with the team when they were playing. Where was Coach Bulpin when the Azkals played two good games, even though they lost, against Indonesia? Who was motivating the players during those games? The flag and the Filipino people are enough motivation for the Azkals. What can McMenemy possibly say to motivate them? And sure, keep insisting that McMenemy does deserve credit. But nothing will change that decision of the management not to renew his contract. It will not void the statement from the Azkals coordinator Ace Bright. It will not make the testimonials of several Azkals invalid. Oh, and nonsense? Seriously? You can't help but see some sense to that. If you had a team composing of the Barcelona and Man United starting XIs, would you need to be a good coach to get results? Just choose the best XI and let their skills take over.
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Post by vimjonk on Jun 8, 2011 11:41:11 GMT 8
I beg to disagree. This is more than just a rumour. Why would Palami fire Macca? That would be bad for PR. Macca was very popular among the fans. It would be way easier, and less of a risk, for him to just wait for his contract to expire and then give the explanation that Macca does not have the required UEFA B license. That would be moot since he got a bad PR anyway. And flat out lying about UEFA B licensing would made me more reluctant to believe those Macca detractors. I know some AFC coaches and they agreed that there is no AFC licensing requirements for national team matches. It is only required for inter club matches but not UEFA B but AFC issued coaching licenses. Maybe you can give me a line or two from official AFC documents that states so we might miss those lines. PS: UEFA even didn't have that requirement for club competition until recently, it was only on a club level basis to assess that you have an inkling of what you are applying for. UEFA instituted it as part of their "Fair Play" initiative to help curve financial book dressing to better assess club financial status rather than for individual coaches proficiency Sorry, i don't have a face book account. It's beyond me Have you tried teaching someone who does not have a common language as you? Believe me I tried and it is for a much more mundane stuff. Also, there lots of football managers who won't fit on a country's footballing culture just as much as there are lots players who won't fit a foreign country's culture. Bottom line is that Macca's current club is no indication that he really suck at his job. DTLA anyway is in a lot of trouble even before Macca came in and hiring a different manager won't fix it. Even Pep, Mourinho, Wenger or SAF can't solve DTLA's problem.
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 8, 2011 12:25:12 GMT 8
Have you tried teaching someone who does not have a common language as you? Believe me I tried and it is for a much more mundane stuff. Also, there lots of football managers who won't fit on a country's footballing culture just as much as there are lots players who won't fit a foreign country's culture. Hmmm...Ancelotti needed Ray Wilkins to coach Chelsea, yet he won the Double in his first year. Alberto Zaccharoni, head coach of Japan, you think he speaks Japanese? He won the Asian Cup. You do not need to learn the language to coach. There is a translator available for foreign coaches. You trying to tell me they hired Coach Simon thinking he could speak Vietnamese? Wow, what a dumb club. And being cash-strapped does not translate to a doomed fate. Remember Fulham in 2008? Roy Hodgson stepped in and saved them from relegation. Bankrupt Portsmouth may have been relegated, but that was because towards the end of the campaign they made the FA Cup their priority. And guess what? They reached the finals!
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Post by vimjonk on Jun 8, 2011 12:39:10 GMT 8
^^^
Yup I agree. But there are also lots of counter examples. Best example is Thailand's current NT coach. But that is not the point.
The point is DTLA's current position is not a determinant of Macca's coaching proficiency. DTLA have a more serious problem that could not be solved by replacing the manager.
BTW, my Vietnamese friend did told me that DTLA is a dumb club ;D but take it with a grain of salt since he is a supporter of Hanoi T&T
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 8, 2011 14:19:20 GMT 8
Well, this is getting out of hand. Apologies to anyone I offended. I merely just wanted to get my point across, but apparently I have anger issues and find it hard to stay calm when writing my opinions. ;D Anyways, Macca has his particular strengths as well but I do not rate him highly. I still prefer we stick to Coach Weiss, I am impressed with his CV. The new German coach is a much-needed help as well.
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Post by vimjonk on Jun 8, 2011 15:25:46 GMT 8
^^^ No probs, no offense ;D Anyway, I did not call for Weiss replacement or anything. Though I accept that I am a Macca die-hard (i like defensive coaches), I am more of concerned/disappointed with their recent performances. As I have said previously, January 2010, I will reserve my judgment until they meet an opponent at a level with Indonesia. I really hate bad GD numbers and fighting fire with fire. Let us just wait and see until they met SEA football powerhouses if the AzKals firepower could withstand their opponents firepower or get immolated trying
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