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Post by xyz1000 on Jun 17, 2011 21:28:50 GMT 8
lakzaIf qualifying for the Challenge Cup for you is "exceeding expectations," then you sadly think that the Azkals are a bunch of underachievers; then you think that making it to the 2nd round of the Challenge Cup qualifiers and not advancing is "meeting expectations." I expect more out of the team than you. The last time the team made it to the Challenge Cup? That's ancient history -- we're at a new era of PHL football now so the expectations are higher. The players are definitely better. YES, THEIR TOUCHES ARE BETTER NOW compared to the Suzuki Cup team. They can string more and longer passes. That's not my major complaint. What I do not like about Coach W is that the style of football he demands does not fit the skill level of the players. I cringe when I see Del Rosario run up the wings, do a cross, and not hit anybody. I cringe when an attack is forming and possession is lost easily. I cringe when I see James Y. is move up ever so slowly. We're not at the skill level for free-flowing, attack-minded football with reckless abandon. Not yet. Coaching is about getting the best performance out of the given (limited) resources. I still believe Coach W is not getting the best performance out of the players. Coach Mc, however, got the most out from what he had. This is not about personality, this is about performance. And yes, results. Results? I'd rather have an ugly game and win than a beautiful game and lose. Yes, guilty as charged. I like good results.
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Post by sorin on Jun 17, 2011 23:22:33 GMT 8
xyz1000Totally agree with you on that one: "Results? I'd rather have an ugly game and win than a beautiful game and lose. Yes, guilty as charged. I like good results." All of a sudden we have guys here that have the Brazil supporter syndrome... LOL Beggars can't be choosers guys and if playing uggly gets you better results than so be it.. Naturally the more the team plays together the better they will gel and would get more self belief and understand each other culminating with an improved team performance with Weiss or without him also the squad roster is stronger now diba? samhain13 and backers .....the topic is definitely: Bracamonte, Cabalida, Pinero v.s. Coach Weiss The correct argument but still somewhat inaccurate is: Des Bulpin v. s. Coach Weiss as assistant coaches and trainers don't count in my opinion...as we are comparing appointed coaches here.... lakza"we lost to Mongolia in Ulaabator without even putting into consideration that we actually qualified into the group stages given the conditions we were up against" What about the poor Mongolians playing in that heat and humidity in Phils undoubtedly affected their performance and they can argue that they could have only lost 1 - 0 or even could have got a draw.... etc etc etc There is too much bias and shortsigtedness in this thread in my opinion and to XYZ1000 advantage Weiss most likely will hit the wall against Kuwait and also may pay the ultimate price if he gets to adventurous and leave the double decker bus out of the stadium and xyz may have the last lough
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Post by xyz1000 on Jun 17, 2011 23:58:02 GMT 8
sorinI won't be laughing. I'll be crying. I want to Azkals to win so bad; that if they lose, to know that they made the most out of their opportunities.
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Post by mikeh on Jun 18, 2011 5:23:05 GMT 8
Wow, are there still McM fanboys around? LOL
His favourite tactics was "pass the ball to Phil"
And that was his only tactic! Hahaha
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Post by samhain13 on Jun 18, 2011 5:52:44 GMT 8
samhain13 and backers .....the topic is definitely: Bracamonte, Cabalida, Pinero v.s. Coach Weiss The correct argument but still somewhat inaccurate is: Des Bulpin v. s. Coach Weiss as assistant coaches and trainers don't count in my opinion...as we are comparing appointed coaches here.... Except that Bulpin only stayed for a few months and unfortunately, left the assistants to hold the team together. Anyway, sure. We can compare only appointed coaches: Bulpin vs McMenemy vs Weiss's respective records. But when the comparison calls for game analyses and people start attributing the good and the bad to only these three, it will be unfair for everyone involved (and also those uninvolved). Simply put: if guys have something bad to say about how the Azkals played last December, it will be unfair for McMenemy to take flack for that; if guys have something good to say about how the Azkals played last December, it will be unfair to the three "unheralded heroes" if McMenemy (or even Bulpin) received credit for that.
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Post by sorin on Jun 18, 2011 13:20:45 GMT 8
@xyz100 I don’t expect you to laugh is just a say. What I meant was that it may vindicate and reinforce what you have been saying all along. I would be crying 2 not laugh.... mikehIf you implying that I am a Macca Fanboy I wonder how did you come up that? Is it because I gave merit to xyz’s argument in relation to a ugly defensive cautious style of play vs a more risky attacking one eg. That was recently exposed in the match played by “The incomplete roster ”Azcals vs UFL? I did not mention the guys name once in my post LOL. For me he is a nobody in football terms and will always be… despite the fame he acquired by coaching the Azkals Fanboy?? He is 34 and I 49….work that one out boy samhain13I feel for you and you are 100% correct that there are a lot of "unheralded heroes" and guys that deserve more credit and are very important cogs to a teams success but in sport The buck stops with the Head coach usually he gets all the credit and also gets the stick if the team does not perform whilst a lot of the background staff usually keep their jobs and live to see another day….
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Post by samhain13 on Jun 18, 2011 13:45:29 GMT 8
The buck stops with the Head coach usually he gets all the credit and also gets the stick if the team does not perform whilst a lot of the background staff usually keep their jobs and live to see another day…. Not necessarily. Background staff like physio's, nutritionists; yeah, they get to survive. But it is not unheard of for assistant coaches to be sacked. It's just that, when head coaches are sacked, it makes a much louder noise. Of course, what happens to the team manager makes an even louder noise— but that's another story. So, no. We can't oversimplify things if we are to have a deeper discussion about how the Azkals are doing; especially when we know that the background staff had and still have a lot to in their development. Otherwise, let's just go back to the numbers.
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Post by Ka Roger on Jun 19, 2011 22:34:58 GMT 8
well, daming casualties sa mga managers ngayon, sa napanood ko sa DW-TV, ang mga psychologist think of football managers, lalo na iyong nasa mga football clubs in distress, tinuturing nilang parang scapegoat ang mga managers pagka pumapalpak.
Look at Jose Mourinho after bringing home the bacon, tignan ninyo after a season of two ano ginawa sa kanya ni Abramovich? And look at his new casualty Carlo Ancelotti. Those two chaps are great managers, winners of both European cups and of the Premiership. Minsan talaga nasa management narin ang pakana kung bakit parang tissue paper lang ang mga managers.
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Post by vimjonk on Jun 25, 2011 9:47:49 GMT 8
self admitted Macca fanboy here, chirping once again 4 days into Sri Lanka away fixture and still seeing no defence. I missed this disciplined defensive structure during Macca's time and have never seen on Weiss tenure also, have not seen Neil's defensive tenacity anymore shown in the video above.
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Post by curtlanceunited on Jun 25, 2011 10:55:14 GMT 8
self admitted Macca fanboy here, chirping once again 4 days into Sri Lanka away fixture and still seeing no defence. I missed this disciplined defensive structure during Macca's time and have never seen on Weiss tenure also, have not seen Neil's defensive tenacity anymore shown in the video above. In football, you can't win a game without shooting the ball!! It's not just about defense.
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Post by o8t8s8o on Jun 26, 2011 22:29:38 GMT 8
sorin, i agree, get the players to gel together play together more, they will get better.
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Post by vimjonk on Jun 26, 2011 23:38:03 GMT 8
... In football, you can't win a game without shooting the ball!! It's not just about defense. But scoring a thousand goals would be also be useless if your opponent can score a thousand and ONE goals ;D
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Post by cjeagle on Jun 30, 2011 8:21:38 GMT 8
Coach Simon McMenemy Fired from his Vleague side Dong Tam Long An. english.vietnamnet.vn/en/sports/9801/long-an-appoint-coach-number-four.htmlLong An appoint coach number four VietNamNet Bridge – Croatian Buketa Ranko has been appointed chief coach of V-League side Dong Tam Long An. Short stay: British coach Simon McMenemy was sacked by V-League side Dong Tam Long An after a poor performance. (Photo: VNS) Ranko will replace sacked British coach Simon McMenemy. During his tenure, Long An gained 13 points from 12 matches. This is the fourth time Long An has changed its manager this season. The 54-year-old Croatian coach was assistant to the Yemen coach Srecko Juricic last year. However, McMenemy, 34, who helped the Philippines national football team reach the semi-finals of the AFF Cup for the first time last year, will remain Long An's technique director. At present, DTLA are bottom of the V-League with 18 points from 19 games. They will meet the national team in a friendly at Thong Nhat Stadium tomorrow, June 24. _______________________ I hope this post doesn't inspire calls for him to join the national team from some of our posters here who are self confessed Macca fanboys. ;D This just adds to the spate of firings of British coaches in SE Asia recently. We already have experienced German coach Erich Rutemoller advising the U-23 team and personally I would like try him in the same capacity or even more on the senior team.
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Post by vimjonk on Jun 30, 2011 15:22:52 GMT 8
So even with the poor performance of the team and the "revelations" here that Macca doesn't know sh1t about running a football program, DTLA still retain him as technical director.
Football technical directors are basically manager level materials but "without the man-management capability".
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Post by curtlanceunited on Jul 3, 2011 20:50:09 GMT 8
+5 to Coach Weiss...
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