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Post by royg on Mar 29, 2012 15:52:12 GMT 8
Very nice analysis bro but i have to diasgree, 4-4-2 it is not really outdated. Most South American countires still uses 4-4-2 diamond with the likes of Uruguay and Brazil. And not because AC Milan was successful with 4-4-2 diamond it is not a distinct Italian football, in fact Roma uses 4-5-1 (a variation of 4-2-3-1) and maybe some other itallian clubs.
Actually 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 diamond are almost the same depends on the players you have. Best example was the 2010 World Cup formation of Brazil. Brazilians describes their system as a 4-4-2 diamond. Gilberto as the base, Melo on the left and Ramires on the right who forms the diamond edges, Kaka as the Playmaker and Robinho as the second striker. But the Europeans viewed Brazil’s formation as a 4-2-3-1 with Melo and Gilberto as the pivots, Ramires, Kaka and Robinho supporting the lone forward Luis Fabiano.
Playing 4-2-3-1 is is crucial with specific players. Most experts calls it more as defensive formation so attacking really relies on 1 specific position, a false 9. A false 9 is a striker who drops deep to create space for other players to exploit. PYH is not a false 9. The other 2 players are pivots (CM), not neccesarily defensive but to be a deep-lying playmakers, Lucena rightfully deserves the psotion because of his versatility (he could play RB and CM for AGF and occasional as CB) and also Juani but that leaves as who to play CB with Aly? Dejong might be a good defender but he is definitely not good as a pivot player.
I agree with you that 4-2-3-1 is our future formation because of it its technical base. But with our current line-up, i feel a 4-4-2 / 4-1-3-2 is more suitable. Not neccesarily narrow but with our players versatility we could always play wide with our wingbacks (de Murga and Cagara) and Schrock and Mulders as shutters/attackers on the edges of the diamond. my 2 cents.
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Post by benzgm on Mar 29, 2012 18:36:47 GMT 8
Playing 4-2-3-1 is is crucial with specific players. Most experts calls it more as defensive formation so attacking really relies on 1 specific position, a false 9. A false 9 is a striker who drops deep to create space for other players to exploit. PYH is not a false 9. The other 2 players are pivots (CM), not neccesarily defensive but to be a deep-lying playmakers, Lucena rightfully deserves the psotion because of his versatility (he could play RB and CM for AGF and occasional as CB) and also Juani but that leaves as who to play CB with Aly? Dejong might be a good defender but he is definitely not good as a pivot player. I was just thinking about the 4-2-3-1 and wondering about the possibility of de jong improving on his attacking (the last time he was in, he had attempts at goal). I'm interested seeing a team composed of 27 y.o. and below players, as these are the ones that we could expect to don our colors, barring injury, for the next 5 years at the least, while our grassroots program is picking up.
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Post by tophercap on Mar 30, 2012 6:22:44 GMT 8
Playing 4-2-3-1 is is crucial with specific players. Most experts calls it more as defensive formation so attacking really relies on 1 specific position, a false 9. A false 9 is a striker who drops deep to create space for other players to exploit. PYH is not a false 9. The other 2 players are pivots (CM), not neccesarily defensive but to be a deep-lying playmakers, Lucena rightfully deserves the psotion because of his versatility (he could play RB and CM for AGF and occasional as CB) and also Juani but that leaves as who to play CB with Aly? Dejong might be a good defender but he is definitely not good as a pivot player. You don't have to have a false 9 on a team to play 4231 successfully. Benitez's Liverpool used this formation with Torres as a traditional striker playing off the shoulder of the last defender. Enforcers like De Jong also work well in this formation. They just need to be paired with a creative player. Like again with Benitez's Liverpool, Mascherano played as the enforcer and he was paired with Xabi Alonso as the deep lying play maker in a 4231. In our team, Schrock or Mulders would suit that DLP role.
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Post by royg on Mar 30, 2012 13:56:51 GMT 8
Playing 4-2-3-1 is is crucial with specific players. Most experts calls it more as defensive formation so attacking really relies on 1 specific position, a false 9. A false 9 is a striker who drops deep to create space for other players to exploit. PYH is not a false 9. The other 2 players are pivots (CM), not neccesarily defensive but to be a deep-lying playmakers, Lucena rightfully deserves the psotion because of his versatility (he could play RB and CM for AGF and occasional as CB) and also Juani but that leaves as who to play CB with Aly? Dejong might be a good defender but he is definitely not good as a pivot player. You don't have to have a false 9 on a team to play 4231 successfully. Benitez's Liverpool used this formation with Torres as a traditional striker playing off the shoulder of the last defender. Enforcers like De Jong also work well in this formation. They just need to be paired with a creative player. Like again with Benitez's Liverpool, Mascherano played as the enforcer and he was paired with Xabi Alonso as the deep lying play maker in a 4231. In our team, Schrock or Mulders would suit that DLP role. Thanks for pointing that out! in the case of liverpool, i believe it was the case of a lone striker surrounded with suppliers and pouchers thats why Torres was very successful during his time in liverpool. I believe Benitez was quoted beofre "In order for us to win the league we need Torres to score 30+ goals." Unless we provide PYH creative players around him 4-2-3-1 will definitely work. IMO
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Post by dingodile5 on Apr 2, 2012 0:10:59 GMT 8
Like this line up? Note: Includes players that hasn't capped.posted by an Azkal Fan on Azkals FB
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Post by faridoon on Apr 2, 2012 9:29:26 GMT 8
Like this line up? Note: Includes players that hasn't capped.posted by an Azkal Fan on Azkals FB My thought: GK- I agree Defenders- I choose Sabio instead of Omphroy.. Midfielders- A. Guirado is a natural midfielder not a forward so put him in the Midfield position, slim chance for de Guzman and Ramsay to play for the Philippines, and de Jong is not that good. So de Guzman, Ramsay, de Jong is out and replace them with young guns Luke Woodland and Mike Ott.. Forwards- Younghusband, Wolf, Ignacio and Reichelt or Beloya..
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Post by stellarboy on May 11, 2012 10:45:21 GMT 8
...what I foresee how we should play in the future: technical, Barcelona football. I'd agree with veryfatchocobo's formation for a Dream Team. I do agree Schrocki is at his best at wingback rather than as a winger (midfield), although he was just as effective in that position during that famous WCQ home game against Kuwait. Angel Guirado and James YH have already developed good chemistry to Phil YH recently so I'd have them in the lineup as a right winger, although I would mostly prefer James as Angel is quite slow and prone to panic dribbling. I know Chieffy is good in his natural left winger position but I do feel if he plays for the June friendlies he is still not 100%. Same goes for Aly at center back. We could utilize Jason Sabio at center back following his recent performances for monster throw-ins, or Rob Gier, may be not of his speed or overall strength but of his vision and command on the pitch. As for the left winger, I do hope Jeffrey Christiaens gets called up for the seniors just for this time around as he has excellent dribbling skills and he does not fumble on free kicks. I would also consider Patrick Reichelt because of his good first touches although he is much preferred to replace Denis Wolf as a second striker beside Phil. I don't care if it would be Muller at goal against Malaysia, as I am more concerned as who will be at the substitute lineup for defense and on the front line. I am starting to loathe Roel Gener and Nestor Magarse (no offense to them, though) at defense as I feel their age creeping in during their recent performances for the nationals, including that heartbreak against Turkmenistan. As for Ian Araneta, I'm still good for him although I demand that he should not waste chances. I would give my last straw if he blows it up again this time. Let's hope for a good run this time.
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Post by strikerbon on May 11, 2012 15:47:54 GMT 8
^i agree of having Christiaens back to the senior squad again. he could be our corner kick taker, i think he is more better than Chieffy
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Post by veryfatchocobo on May 14, 2012 9:55:00 GMT 8
You got it, jp. I was thinking both de Guzman bros. Jonathan de Guzman - Phil YHB Alaba - Julian de Guzman - Mulders - James YHB Cagara - Borro - Lucena - Schrock Etheridge That would be ideal if chemistry is right lol David Alaba is sooooooooo immense for Bayern. It tells you a lot when he was at fault for Real Madrid's first goal in their 2nd leg CL match with a really unlucky handball and still gets calls for MotM. He did play badly against Borussia Dortmund though... but that's kinda a one-off game.
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Post by jvictor on Jun 5, 2012 21:18:27 GMT 8
If I were to field a young dream team it would be Neil or Muller Carli--Sabio-Omphroy--Potschke James YH--Marwin--De Jong---Misagh Phil YH---Reichelt They are all between the age of 22-25. Potscke is a midfielder naturally but he is good at defense so I can atleast try him as LB/wingback? Although Omproy is still a BIG if he will play for PH.
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Post by fadzki on Jun 7, 2012 3:03:24 GMT 8
I really hope we could have this Starting 11 for the AFF Suzuki cup in December...
Etheridge or Muller
Lucena---Sabio---Boromeo--Cagara -------J. Guirado----Mulders JYH---------A.Guirado--------Schrock ---------------- PYH
Subs: Jonnson, De Murga, Gier, Ott, Chiefy, Wolf, Angeles...
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Post by kelvinreambonanza on Jun 7, 2012 16:04:16 GMT 8
I would like to see this first XI in the future. Key Subs: Muller Uy Angheles Dejong Porteria Verheye Clarino Barbaso El Habib
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Post by xclentoy on Sept 27, 2012 12:15:34 GMT 8
Dream Exhibition Match Azkals A vs Azkals B teams vs
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Post by kluverbucy on Sept 27, 2012 12:28:45 GMT 8
Nice One.. Bakit nga kaya hindi sila bumuo ng Team A at Team B noh.. Tapos basta i mixed yung mga seniors at youngsters sa bawat roster.. Kaso this means a lot of money if ever, pero for the sake lang na pipili ng players para ilaban sa Major competitions diba.. I Am not dreaming pero palagay ko ganito ang mangyayari once makaka abot tayo ng ASIAN CUP.
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Post by turnmyswagon10 on Sept 27, 2012 14:34:12 GMT 8
Good suggestion by xclentoy. For me i'd like to switch Mulders to the Team B and put Marwin Angeles instead of De Jong in Team A. And switch Cagara for Johnsson, cause the back line of Team B is a lil bit old.
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