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Post by dingodile5 on Jun 13, 2012 8:08:02 GMT 8
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Post by wenden96 on Jun 13, 2012 9:41:47 GMT 8
you know whats funny guys....comparing the indonesia vs phl games, some of the comments here are hesitant to comment if it is our foreign base players got a mistake......but in the other page where theres a local playing...katatakot-takot na insulto ang sinusulat...ballhog, bopols, indi na bagay maglaro...etc.....really for me it is funny..........bakit walang may magcomment na ganun anu.......
on the other hand quite disappointing on the result.......as the commentator says they play like the guam instead of playing what they are ask to do......off na naman si idol wolf....tsk3.......well a win is a win.......congrats to azkals and to the matao for standing there ground on the second half....
I thought Weiss will use some of the bench (especially loacals) for another set of experimental line-up...well it didnt happen.....and it is up to coach decision....
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Post by wenden96 on Jun 13, 2012 9:46:16 GMT 8
by the way, yeah Guirado's night last night...and congrats to de murga for his first international goal for the phl.......
off din si Phil....makes me wonder nasa bacolod ba si AL...ahirhirhir....
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Post by feindouno on Jun 13, 2012 9:53:55 GMT 8
You know what's not funny? It's that you seem to keep on insinuating that people here unfairly pick on our local-based players. For the most part, we are level-headed posters here. As I've explained earlier, the local players are now in the minority within the team, and as such they are bound to be put under the microscope, whether knowingly or unknowingly. Please do not assume that most of us here worship the foreign based lads blindly.
That being said, I watched the game and observed that Phil had a tendency to whine instead of helping back on defence when we lost the ball.
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Post by jpesarza on Jun 13, 2012 9:59:41 GMT 8
Azkals tend to be less organized when they are against a weaker team, especially when they're comfortably winning the match. You may have noticed how disappointing our midfield in the late part of the 1st half and almost the whole 2nd half last night. Too much "Gigil Moves" and "Fancy Acts", resulting to disorganized offense and aggressiveness -- seemed everyone wanted to land a goal. It's not bad to be aggressive and try some shots as long as it's from good build up and unselfish plays. We must stick to the game plan and we must learn how to not lose focus even if we're leading the game. We are not used to be a dominant so maybe that's the reason of the sudden drop of the midfield. Good experience for the team though, i hope they can control their excitement next time.
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Post by benzgm on Jun 13, 2012 10:38:30 GMT 8
Some things I noticed.
- I don't understand that yellow on Gier, could somebody clarfy? -that Matao Borja is good! - sloppy play by the Philippines, poor positioning by some players, there were instances when 3 or more players are on the ball or at the same area at once. - Wolf has to improve on his finishing, Angel has to improve on his "sharing" - Lucena was great last night, playing smart football. - Angeles, given more exposure, was able to show more of his stuff. - I prefer Christiaens taking the corners over our other players. - Cagara seems not to be 100% match fit, or maybe it's just me?
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Post by Wiking on Jun 13, 2012 11:27:50 GMT 8
Some things I noticed. - I don't understand that yellow on Gier, could somebody clarfy? It wasn't clearly seen on TV but apparently Gier came back into the pitch (after getting his head bandaged) when a referee hasn't allowed him in yet. BUT Bob and Coach del Ro mentioned that Gier raised his arms and acknowledged the ref letting him back in. I guess it was a failure of communications between the two.
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Post by cebujames on Jun 13, 2012 11:34:06 GMT 8
Some things I noticed. - I don't understand that yellow on Gier, could somebody clarfy? It wasn't clearly seen on TV but apparently Gier came back into the pitch (after getting his head bandaged) when a referee hasn't allowed him in yet. BUT Bob and Coach del Ro mentioned that Gier raised his arms and acknowledged the ref letting him back in. I guess it was a failure of communications between the two. It was shown on the replays afterwards that Rob Gier and Coach Weiss called the ref and they both raised hands asking for the ref's permission to get back in. Unfortunately, few minutes later, the ref booked Rob Gier for a yellow card. That I don't understand!
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Post by Caz on Jun 13, 2012 11:34:11 GMT 8
If I had to pick one bright spot from our dim field last night I'd say it was Cagara. The subs did a world of a difference with their fresh legs though their lack of experience showed a bit. They do need more playing time in the senior level or even as an U23 team (give them a friendly against the senior teams of Brunei, Bhutan, or even Cambodia!) When our team was sticking to the game plan in the first segment of the match we showed pure class. It was a beauty to watch the Azkals play such a mature game. The result? Two instant goals. Then everything went downhill. A lot of credit to Guam's midfield. The Matao did really well there. Had Schrock, Ott, and Mulders been there it might have been a different story. But all the same, Guam stepped up their game while the Azkals watched them play their game. I feel bad for Wolf. He was the harder working of our two forwards and he even had his chances at goal. He just didn't have the touch, I'm afraid. We may be seeing his finishing drought in Germany being brought to the National Team. But you can't deny his work ethic which far surpasses Phil's, in my opinion. Phil has improved a lot since his play for Loyola began. But last night we saw shades of good old pre-UFL frustrating Phil. James seemed to be a non-factor as well. I guess they were well-scouted. Angeles is growing on me more and more and it appears to be the same on Weiss. He definitely surpasses De Jong, in my opinion. I hardly noticed Lucena which may have meant that he was doing his job well or doing nothing at all. I'd like to see Guam play more friendlies with other SEA nations. Perhaps as another Long Teng Cup entry too?
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Post by narko on Jun 13, 2012 11:36:40 GMT 8
Azkals tend to be less organized when they are against a weaker team, especially when they're comfortably winning the match. You may have noticed how disappointing our midfield in the late part of the 1st half and almost the whole 2nd half last night. Too much "Gigil Moves" and "Fancy Acts", resulting to disorganized offense and aggressiveness -- seemed everyone wanted to land a goal. It's not bad to be aggressive and try some shots as long as it's from good build up and unselfish plays. We must stick to the game plan and we must learn how to not lose focus even if we're leading the game. We are not used to be a dominant so maybe that's the reason of the sudden drop of the midfield. Good experience for the team though, i hope they can control their excitement next time. Very good points jpesarza, my thoughts exactly. That's why I had no issue when they decided to face off against a team ranked 40 places lower than them. This match (and to some extent, so did the one against Indonesia) showed that the team has still lots to learn and improve on, especially in situations where they are the more dominant and stronger team. Hopefully, when they face the Virgin Islands in their U.S. tour in August, they can handle the situation much better than they did against Guam. Just some random thoughts: The defense. As we've discussed before, we're shallow here and the matches against Indonesia and Guam showed that if we are playing a high defensive line our defense is too slow to deal with rapid counter-attacks. Our current set of defenders will be fine if we're playing deep defensively, but if we're adopting an attacking style as we did against Indonesia and Guam which necessitates a high defensively line otherwise there would be a huge gap for the midfielders to cover, the team needs to address this issue. On offense, our strikers need to put away their chances. In the 3 friendlies, Wolf and PYH had several good chances at goal but didn't make them or got saved by the opposing keeper. There were 5 goals in these 3 friendlies - 3 from midfielders (JYH, Angel and Carli) and 2 from set pieces, both free kicks. PYH is an enigma though, I recall we got pretty frustrated with his performances in the run up of mathces to the Challenge Cup but come the tournament he ends up with the Golden Boot. The midfield should also start controlling the tempo of the match and be more patient with the build-up, especially if our team has the upper hand in terms of quality and ability. It seems like our offense is stuck on one speed, and plays very direct and vertical. They have to know when to slow it down and switch the side of play. I notice they tend to force the issue on one flank until they get through or lose possession. At times, whenever they pass back the ball to recycle the play the defender will send a long ball and usually toward the same flank instead of trying to switch it to the other flank through the midfielders or through a long diagonal. I don't mind the long ball from time to time, as it is best to have a variety of options available. Besides, against strong opponents it still remains a viable option. Also, we clearly have a height advantage when it comes to opponents in Southeast Asian region so our team needs to be able to take advantage of this too. That said, we should also improve on our set pieces, make the most of that height advantage.
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Post by Wiking on Jun 13, 2012 12:05:45 GMT 8
The defense. As we've discussed before, we're shallow here and the matches against Indonesia and Guam showed that if we are playing a high defensive line our defense is too slow to deal with rapid counter-attacks. Our current set of defenders will be fine if we're playing deep defensively, but if we're adopting an attacking style as we did against Indonesia and Guam which necessitates a high defensively line otherwise there would be a huge gap for the midfielders to cover, the team needs to address this issue. There is a solution to our defensive weaknesses and that is to have a game plan that is tailored to the personnel at hand. "Mature" and winning coaches use this as a cornerstone for their coaching philosophy. Unfortunately Coach Weiss was thrust into the limelight as a senior level coach and as we have seen, have struggled mightily(or rather his team has) when his gameplan is structured beyond his players skill level. I would like to point out his tendecy(and he even said this after getting appointed as Azkals coach) of attack and attack some more; few substitution(after the Kuwait home game he said something like "I wanted to give the team a chance to win it on their own" or something ridiculous like that); Treating defenders as extra disposables(5 defenders in a major tourney and in friendlies) and plugging in midfielders when the need arises; Mix and match positions(SEAG); His "jetlag" excuses for his team even BEFORE a match, etc. He is not without his merits(AFC CC 3rd place finish) and he is learning but some here hit it on the head when they say that if we had a better coach, the same roster of Azkals we have now can probably play better and as a result our rankings would be better too.
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Post by wenden96 on Jun 13, 2012 12:15:56 GMT 8
You know what's not funny? It's that you seem to keep on insinuating that people here unfairly pick on our local-based players. For the most part, we are level-headed posters here. As I've explained earlier, the local players are now in the minority within the team, and as such they are bound to be put under the microscope, whether knowingly or unknowingly. Please do not assume that most of us here worship the foreign based lads blindly. That being said, I watched the game and observed that Phil had a tendency to whine instead of helping back on defence when we lost the ball. That is why I use the word "SOME" of the commentators, that means not all.....but base on what I read here and other blogs, I can say YES, there are "SOME" people worship the foreigns...even you dont admit it....filipinos tends to love people especially those who are with foreign bloods...lets accept this reality....... and besides you are not the one im referring to....but to "SOME" people.... okey lets get back to the post-game analysis.........I agree with your analysis with Phil....especially if he didnt score a goal....his frustrated last night...also with wolf.....I dont know what happen to them....sisiw sana 6-0....cge lang ganyan ang laro....
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Post by narko on Jun 13, 2012 12:57:05 GMT 8
There is a solution to our defensive weaknesses and that is to have a game plan that is tailored to the personnel at hand. "Mature" and winning coaches use this as a cornerstone for their coaching philosophy. Unfortunately Coach Weiss was thrust into the limelight as a senior level coach and as we have seen, have struggled mightily(or rather his team has) when his gameplan is structured beyond his players skill level. I would like to point out his tendecy(and he even said this after getting appointed as Azkals coach) of attack and attack some more; few substitution(after the Kuwait home game he said something like "I wanted to give the team a chance to win it on their own" or something ridiculous like that); Treating defenders as extra disposables(5 defenders in a major tourney and in friendlies) and plugging in midfielders when the need arises; Mix and match positions(SEAG); His "jetlag" excuses for his team even BEFORE a match, etc. He is not without his merits(AFC CC 3rd place finish) and he is learning but some here hit it on the head when they say that if we had a better coach, the same roster of Azkals we have now can probably play better and as a result our rankings would be better too. I won't argue with the points you raise wiking, we could do with a better and more experienced coach. However, if that is not an option at the moment for some reason or another, I am fine with the current coach. He hasn't been a total disaster so far and at least the team has not regressed. What I would like to see though is a more coherent and integrated approach from the PFF. What happened to the U23 and what's currently going on with the U22 are not good signs for the long term. More than a coach for the senior team, what the PFF needs is a highly experienced and effective technical director who will oversee the national football program, from grassroots through the various age group levels all the way to the senior team. This person must be able to work with everyone in the Philippine football community, the provincial FAs, clubs, schools, LGUs, business sector, etc and get them working towards a unified objective. You said it, the game plan must be tailored to the personnel at hand. I think I commented on this before, for me the coach works with what he has got on hand, the technical director is the one who will be responsible for "creating" and/or developing the talents that coaches can work with.
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Post by cjeagle on Jun 13, 2012 14:25:29 GMT 8
I received an email from one of our members stating that there was an argument between Patrick Reichelt and Coach Weiss after the game, apparently bec. Patrick was upset that he wasn't used in the game. He apparently did not join the team bus afterward because of this. Can anybody from Bacolod confirm this?
Anyways, considering that Wolf rarely scores either even with his club or with the Azkals and missed some pretty open chances in last night's game, I was hoping to see if Patrick can do better. We definitely need another finisher on this team, and I am still hoping to see if Patrick or Freddy Gonzales can help in that department.
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Post by stellarboy on Jun 13, 2012 15:30:38 GMT 8
Philippines-Guam Postgame ThoughtsBy Bob Guerrero | The Passionate Fan – 5 hours ago It was a win but... The Azkals got the W but it wasn't the rout many expected. The first half wrote a check that the second half couldn't cash. We were clearly the better team, with more chances and goals, but we should bully a team ranked 45 slots below us at home. That just wasn't the case on Tuesday. The 3-0 scoreline flatters Guam. It really should have been something like 5-0. Angel is The Man. I used to wonder if Angel Guirado was a wee bit slow for international football. Those concerns have long since been put to rest. The big striker scored his sixth and seventh International goals in style last night. His first score was a long strike that found the top corner past Guam keeper Dallas Jaye. Through his cousin/interpreter Rafa Garcia he told us afterwards that he adjusted his kick from a cross to a shot at goal at the last instant when he saw Jaye's position. Wow. His second was a delectable glancing header off a Dennis Cagara cross. Rather than take the simple option of banging it to his left, he took the cultured route, steering it to his right, where Jaye never had a chance. These performances just might make the Global man a target of other Asian clubs. Marwin Angeles had a terrific night. The Fil-Italian set up Carli De Murga's maiden Azkal strike with a simple, well-weighted pass. He also cooked up two more dangerous chances with passes. In previous games he has struggled to make an impact, but not tonight. Greatness will have to wait for another day for Denis Wolf. Give him an "A" for effort but less for execution. The long-maned striker shot wide in the 58th minute, wide in the 61st, and straight at Jaye six minutes later. He'll have to be more clinical if he is to help the Azkals grab a Suzuki Cup crown. To be fair, Phil Younghusband also fired blanks last night. Guam are not a bunch of stiffs. The visitors gave a good account of themselves. Props to coach Gary White. While they lacked the overall technical quality of many of the Azkals, they were obviously well-prepared. They made up for a ragged first half with a courageous second. A well-organized defense thwarted numerous Azkals attacks, while they managed a few chances of their own. Defender Josh Borja gets my Guam Man Of The Match Award. He made play after play on defense and even pitched in on attack. They certainly played with more enterprise than the Mongolians did last year. The Azkals have finally dusted off Anto Gonzales and given him another cap. Once a regular Azkals starter, Anto Gonzales finally gets a well-deserved appearance in the new Azkals era. He served up a decent shift but didn't have time to put his stamp on the match. The U.P. Maroons mentor is a workhorse on defense and a fountain of ideas on offense. I hope he gets more playing time, but with a surfeit of quality midfielders, it might be tough. The organizers dropped the ball on the ticket pricing, depriving us all of a better home game atmosphere. Really? P200 for the CHEAPEST TICKET? More than the cheapest ticket in the last Manila game? For a friendly against the 194th best team in the world? In a provincial city? A reality check was desperately needed. The end bleachers did eventually sort of fill up, but the center bleachers never did. At P600 a pop, the sides of the grandstands were mostly populated by invisible Bacolodnons. This in contrast to the rowdy, packed-to-the-rafters feel of last year's Mongolia game. Last Tuesday's vibe was nowhere near that. Plus, the energy of the crowd petered out even more as the second half wore on. Every effort should be made to make each home game a sell-out. The cheapest ticket should have been P100 or less, and P200-300 sounds about right for a side grandstand seat. Where were the Ilonggos and Negrenses? Not a single one got a minute of action tonight. Say what you will, but it just didn't sit well with me in a game held in Bacolod. Plus the homegrown players who were on the roster were all familiar faces. While our neighbors are giving their rising stars valuable international experience, we are going with thirtysomethings. Just sayin'. Coach Weiss has a dozen or so new white hairs thanks to Neil Etheridge's terrifying impression of a field player in the first half. He showed off some nifty dribbling moves under pressure off a back pass. Might he have been too adventurous? Gotta love the Guamanian 'staches. Some members of the Matao made a splash in the facial hair front. Josh Borja sported a neatly manicured box, while Ian Adamos' well-groomed lip-topper might be his lucky charm for corner kicks. But captain Jason Cunliffe led the way with a handlebar that would make a Fu Manchu impersonator proud. ph.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/thepassionatefan/philippines-guam-postgame-thoughts-010740161.html
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