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Post by Wiking on Feb 12, 2012 11:37:33 GMT 8
i'm not really a pundit/player or even a coach here,I say the management should change the system..just sayin' By and large, you hit it over the head d-glove. Its the system aka tactics that are at fault here. We understand about not having enough practice, lesser skilled players and such, but the "system" is really not the best for what we have(player wise). BUT, the "system" is not put in by PFF or Dan Palami, its installed by the coach whatever his philosophy is. No self respecting coach would install a tactics that he doesn't believe in or is dictated to him. So the path to that "system" we have now clearly leads to...
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Post by polarismtr on Feb 12, 2012 11:40:14 GMT 8
I watched the game in tv, just my observations. Too much dribbling is the problem, unlike the Uzbeks U-23 with their 1-2 touch passes. Angel Guirado's level of play decreases I think and he is like Jayjay Helterbrand in basketball with his too much dribbling. Long passing is also an eyesore, why not just settle for a short passes "pass and move" and also Phil Younghusband's negative body language is evident in this match and also in his UFL games whenever his teammates will not pass the ball to him. I don't think Azkals 'opted' to go with long balls. It was rather that we had no other choice. Short passing game basically requires you much skill and teamwork, and it's never easy when the opponent is more skilled, faster, tougher, and more organized. Uzbek's tough and organized pressing in the midfield, which is just a part of usual aspect of modern football, seemed like just too much for the Azkals on the pitch. Our players just couldn't handle it. Uzbeks hardly allowed us enough space and time and it forced us to rely only on long balls just not to lose the ball. The same goes with excessive dribbling too. All you can do is just dribbling when you're isolated, and this also happens when you're not quick enough to find the passing route before the opponent's pressing gets you. So, this is how the game is usually going on when a team meets much stronger opponent, and in short, the Uzbeks were obviously on several notches higher level, both individually and as a team. I think they could have easily scored another 3 goals only if their up front play were a bit more precise and sharper.
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Post by jvictor on Feb 12, 2012 12:10:12 GMT 8
So what was the lineup?
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Post by jvictor on Feb 12, 2012 12:14:58 GMT 8
*offside trap? our back 4 ain't that much pacy. *angel guirado winger? with his physique, not the type of a winger, i can't blame the coach because we lack depth squad.. *our midfield didn't even put pressure to uzbek-under 23. i'm not really a pundit/player or even a coach here,I say the management should change the system..just sayin' I think Wolf was a winger back in the day, maybe he can take Chieffy's place. Nd can Angel be a Def. Mid he's got the height, physique and passing?
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Post by feindouno on Feb 12, 2012 12:19:45 GMT 8
I don't think Angel Guirado has enough of an engine to be def mid.
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Post by kulaspero15 on Feb 12, 2012 12:35:00 GMT 8
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Post by o8t8s8o on Feb 12, 2012 14:02:44 GMT 8
i believe more than the lack of cohesion, lack of good conditioning also hurt us, and again what do you call that? ... awful 1st touch... ball control... we need to do a lot... train, train, train... a lot of work needs to be done..
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Post by jpesarza on Feb 12, 2012 17:44:33 GMT 8
#NoMoreJetlag
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Post by polarismtr on Feb 12, 2012 18:37:11 GMT 8
I didn't mean playing long ball couldn't be a tactical option. Of course 'kick and rush' or 'put the ball in the box' can be an option. Though it's not much popular these days, when your fws and wingers are physically great, skilled and fast enough to surpass the opponent's defense, plus when you got good long passers, it still can be the easiest and most effective attacking solution. My point here, however, no matter whether it was tactical output or just plain chaos, was that we couldn't do anything other than long balls against Uzbeks last night. Their midfielders massively outclassed ours in everything and their aggressive pressing was probably the most intense we have ever experienced. Actually we did attempt short passes to move forward not a few times only to get easily cut and contribute to numerous counter chances of theirs. So what to do? "Kick the damn ball hard and someone up front take it if lucky." And no one is there. *We only change our tactics when key players from Euro are available* This would mean Weiss believes that, without those key players from Europe, we are not capable of successfully performing various tactics other than long balls. Well i personally can't say he's wrong at this, especially when the opponent is much better in everything. So what i hate about last night's game wasn't the fact that we played long ball, but that we were forced to play aimless, hopeless, unorganized long balls which looked nothing near tactical output. I have no idea what Weiss actually wanted to do last night but regardless, you can't do anything anyway when you can't keep the ball in the midfield. Well but i'm not only negative about the game. At least our players experienced some quality pressing and hope it was a good lesson.
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Post by kulaspero15 on Feb 12, 2012 19:32:04 GMT 8
I'm just fortunate to be able to watch all teams from Division I in UFL and most teams employ this type of strategy (long balls). It's currently the style of play for Filipinos and I'm not a big fan of this brand of football. Another thing that's widespread in our local league is over dribbling. Both aspects were evident from last night's game.
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Post by jonny on Feb 12, 2012 21:37:39 GMT 8
Attendance was 1202 . I dont think the organizers are too happy about that....
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Post by fadzki on Feb 12, 2012 22:18:19 GMT 8
azkals u23 players who played against Uzbeks u23 Muller(GK), M. Angeles, De Jong and De murga...
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Post by dingodile5 on Feb 12, 2012 23:32:03 GMT 8
Your guess is right NICE ONE hehehe ;D
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Post by jonny on Feb 13, 2012 1:01:12 GMT 8
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Post by polarismtr on Feb 13, 2012 4:41:26 GMT 8
I'm just fortunate to be able to watch all teams from Division I in UFL and most teams employ this type of strategy (long balls). It's currently the style of play for Filipinos and I'm not a big fan of this brand of football. Another thing that's widespread in our local league is over dribbling. Both aspects were evident from last night's game. Good point there. That's what you call "level". I can't watch UFL games so i didn't know but what you said explains everything. Long balls plus "Let the best player dribble" is the simplest strategy in football. If most teams in a league play like that, i believe it's not just a "style" but probably the only effective strategy to put on the pitch using UFL players. It can be seen as a sign how UFL is playing outdated football. I basically hate it too not only because it's boring but it doesn't really work in modern world football, and of course we need to be able to fight in the midfield with compact short passes to catch up with Asian powerhouses let alone the world, but what i keep trying to say is that most of the Azkals besides some Euro-based quality players are not fundamentally skilled enough to pull it off. With messy first touch, slow response, unstable ball keeping, physical weakness, imprecise passing and all, you just can't play such football even if you want to, especially when the opponent's pressing is intense as it was vs Uzbeks. Such fundamentals are not easy to be improved for senior players, and this is why grassroots program is said to be so important.
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