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Post by vimjonk on Oct 8, 2011 8:05:00 GMT 8
^^^
im looking for the news article but I can't seem to find it. it's an earlier interview with Weiss.
in it he states his disdain for naturalized players and we don't have other naturalized players except for the El-Habib brothers.
K, if you don't want such a strong word, fell free to replace it with a neutral one. i am just interpreting his previous statement.
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Post by tombucho on Oct 8, 2011 8:18:32 GMT 8
hahaha..ang daming maling dito na analyst..ni hindi naman marunong maglaro...wala sa coach yun. my take on the game last night? we had our chances..in the same manner that singapore did..nagkataon lang, singapore scored and we did not...the azkals team in singapore could have easily won the long teng cup cause i can see the huge difference in technical capability between these two teams...so im still very very positive with the azkals...
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Post by sheajane80 on Oct 8, 2011 8:32:36 GMT 8
i really don't like having naturalized players in our team kasi no matter how we look at it hindi siya pinoy. the only time a foreigner endears himself to us pinoys is when he can speak almost perfect tagalog already and has adopted to our culture. if we think about it, we haven't seen naturalized players from the biggest sport in our country seemingly meeting that expectation.
another reason is that, ang dami na ngang kontra sa fil-foreigners na may dugong pinoy how much more sa naturalized.
now for the first time, i am now open to having a naturalized player in our national football team for two reasons: One, if basketball wherein it is played from babuyan islands to tawi-tawi thus it has a nationwide pool of talents still resorts to having a naturalized player in their team, the more it is needed in football wherein the talent pool isn't nationwide. Two, because the azkals clearly lack finishers. sayang lang efforts ng magandang defense sa likod at magandang pasa ng mga mf. the el-habibs clearly show they can finish well and for their size are very fast and good ball handlers kaya hindi naagawan when papunta na sa scoring chance.
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Post by kangaroo on Oct 8, 2011 10:09:35 GMT 8
i really don't like having naturalized players in our team kasi no matter how we look at it hindi siya pinoy. the only time a foreigner endears himself to us pinoys is when he can speak almost perfect tagalog already and has adopted to our culture. if we think about it, we haven't seen naturalized players from the biggest sport in our country seemingly meeting that expectation. another reason is that, ang dami na ngang kontra sa fil-foreigners na may dugong pinoy how much more sa naturalized. now for the first time, i am now open to having a naturalized player in our national football team for two reasons: One, if basketball wherein it is played from babuyan islands to tawi-tawi thus it has a nationwide pool of talents still resorts to having a naturalized player in their team, the more it is needed in football wherein the talent pool isn't nationwide. Two, because the azkals clearly lack finishers. sayang lang efforts ng magandang defense sa likod at magandang pasa ng mga mf. the el-habibs clearly show they can finish well and for their size are very fast and good ball handlers kaya hindi naagawan when papunta na sa scoring chance. Exactly my sentiment. Phil needs help someone who is as deadly if not better than him. We need options upfront that can pose threats to our opponents. That way they wont be zeroing on just one player. Singapore and Indonesia who are thought to be more advance in the game football naturalize players. What more to us who are in our infancy. I do think that if the El-Habbibs have already acquired citizenship will be included in the Azkals team. Question is have they really applied for such? Whats the current status then? They have been staying in the country for some time now and in fact studied in the country. No expert here but trying to learn from the guys here as I'm starting to love football. Regarding the game, I thought our defense held its own against a good team. Say whatever we want but with these guys playing together more often (usually during international break) fluidity and cohesion will be evident in our game in the field. I agree with the guys that our finishing is wanting and cohesion as well is familiarity is not where we wanted. Atleast not yet. Mark Hartmann is a better pairing with Phil for now (with Angel subbed out or moved in the midfield) I believe and well even get better as they play together in the domestic league. Lets not be too critical with his youthful twit. It seems we have a hard time scoring really esp. with teams who are perceived to be stronger than us. Perhaps tactics have something to do with it? Schroeck would have made a difference in the game I believe. The Nepal game will be a better gauge of this team I guess. No matter what we will improve in football and GO AZKALS!
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Post by kangaroo on Oct 8, 2011 10:11:22 GMT 8
Sorry for the long post. Sinagad ko na... ;D ;D
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Post by jpesarza on Oct 8, 2011 10:25:49 GMT 8
We hoped for a different result, it was very frustrating. Questions are being raised to coaches, management, to players and even to opponents well what can i say-- mentality as we know it.
We are a developing team, a developing country (football perspective) and Yes we had a stellar lineup last night but that doesn't mean we can win all the games internationally (even though it's possible).
It could be the coach/manager's fault or it could be the player's or perhaps it could be our EXPECTATIONS fault, bottom line is should not stop supporting our team out there coz they want to win every game more than us. We dropped games but that does not mean we are not improving. We are on the right track but just maybe not our time yet.
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Post by vimjonk on Oct 8, 2011 10:39:21 GMT 8
it seems that there are still questions about the El-Habib brothers naturalization: based on internet forums, tweets and friends who are actually around the vicinity of El-Habib's acquaintances, they already have acquired Filipino citizenship at the latest, around 1st quarter of this year. maybe even earlier. curtlanceunited, a long time member of this forum also posted that they are already naturalized. IIRC, the brothers tried-out for the team. why would they try-out if they don't have the necessary papers? PS: for those posters who are spouting the following: *cohesion *chemistry *familiarity *teamwork *team is improving can you please play first Football Manager, the PC game. try to see if you can win trophies using Barcelona or Manchester United. if you are the All-Star type, use Manchester City or Real Madrid which has an almost unlimited transfer budget. hint: it's not about the players
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Post by royg on Oct 8, 2011 12:10:21 GMT 8
Pundits here really have good points.
1. style is questionable 2. Cohesion, Chemistry, familiarity and teamwork 3. Manager's system, strategy, gameplan and adaptability 4. Players positions (fielding players out of their natural position) But i really have to agree that it was all about the Manager. maybe if Weiss could have a consistent availability of players he could have managed and developed with his system. Of course factors like players lack of team practice to have cohesion and familiarity to each other will greatly affect the team but you need to be adaptable as the game progress.
I have mixed emotion with Weiss, he surely had helped PHIL NT but is he the right manager for us?
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Post by slayermoonlight on Oct 8, 2011 12:40:08 GMT 8
I have mixed emotion with Weiss, he surely had helped PHIL NT but is he the right manager for us? The answer is both YES and NO. YES because we don't have any choice. Weiss is donated to us by German Bundesliga as part of their package to aid Philippine football programs. NO because our players really deserve a better coach. We have had better coach in the past, then it is possible to get one too if we want to. That is if the Philippine Football Federation is willing to invest on a more credible and experienced coach (with club and national team coaching experience) using it's own resources. Hindi puro asa lang sa donations ng ibang bansa.
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Post by Caz on Oct 8, 2011 13:02:01 GMT 8
Please DO NOT personally attack other members of this forum, no matter how mild you may think your comments are.
Please remember the forum rules when posting.
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Post by orwat on Oct 8, 2011 13:09:19 GMT 8
Royg :
It will take some time for players to adopt to new system. A good coach is able to adopt the system to the capability of the players and this is the coach that we need as we are pressed to show results soon to sustain the renewed popularity of the sports. So I guess Weiss is not the right guy for the job.
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Post by takernz on Oct 8, 2011 14:04:55 GMT 8
Bring back Bulpin please!!!! yeah he's now vacant. from Wiki: Since Autumn 2010, Bulpin is Head Coach of Indian Arrows, a national U-21 team in India. The team also plays in the I-League. The average age of the team is 19 years.[7] Six players of this team are currently in the national men’s squad, coached and managed by Bob Houghton.[8] On 23 April 2011, Bob Houghton handed in his immediate resignation as the Indian national team coach, which the AIFF accepted which brought up rumors about Bulpins position in the AIFF but those rumors where put to bed by the AIFF who said that they would continue with Bulpin. On August 13, 2011 it was announced that Bulpin has been relived of his duties with Indian Arrows and India U-23. I know lots of people here are pissed off at Weiss but please give him a chance, let's see that at RMC this Monday, he'll might pull off a win, don't forget that 9 months pa lang kasi sya as azkals' coach.
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Post by azkalvolcanogilas on Oct 8, 2011 15:37:23 GMT 8
since we all now agree that Weiss is such a s****y manager, how about we go to the technical aspects of his inadequacy. racist: he hates black players. the El-Habib brothers are applying for naturalization even before all the AzKals hoopla. why did he not call them into the team? they are way better than Aranetas 20X over. lack of strategic vision: our players are not on the dwarf level like Vietnam, but why are not designing plays that maximizes their height advantage? where are our versions of flick-ons and knockdowns that Singapore employs against us several times? why would we be using ground balls and through balls when we could have easily gone to the express route "again" using our height advantage. did he not heard of the "3 pass rule" and "9 shoots per goal"? set-pieces that even our tall defenders can get a piece of scoring opportunity?(first goal last night comes from a defender) all NTs dreaded the German set-pieces ;D have we gotten a goal on dead ball situation under Weiss? we have gotten our goals from strong teams from "near dead-ball" situations. utter lack of tactical skills: * in-game adjustments * player spacing / pitch utilization * player specialization * match adaptation (scouting and learning from mistakes) * team evolution Wow! Ikaw na lang kaya mag coach??? Iho ito bang pinaga wa mo eh alam ng mga magulang mo...hehehe. Who said everybody agrees that Weis is a . And you are accusing the guy a racist? Wow! Weis earned his life in football, if he got this job and proposed by Germany to Pinas that is because he worked to be recognized. The way you exclaimed everything seems that football is soooo easy...anyway last ko na ito, just trying to help people and the moderators as well that I believe are getting pissed with your chlidish antics. Here is a piece of advise, you can root for a team with passion but at the end of the day you are just a simple fan that no matter how you get yourself exhausted bcoz your team is not winning you cannot do anything about it. Do not put it into heart dahil kaw lang ang talo, pre there are more improtant things that you can exhaust your precious life. I do not think exchanging ideas with you is good coz you are too proud of what you know that well in fact you know nothing except believing too much of what you know...gets mo? Mods pasensya na, tinulungan ko lang kayong disiplinahin itong damuhong ito... ;D...yabang!
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Post by Caz on Oct 8, 2011 16:51:10 GMT 8
Please DO NOT personally attack other members of this forum, no matter how mild you may think your comments are. That goes for everybody.
It is okay to criticize the coach. It happens everywhere in the world after such a loss. How do you think the French and Italians felt after getting eliminated in the last World Cup? If anything, Weiss is getting a harsh lesson on being in the limelight and the weight of the demands of a country in need of heroics.
It certainly seems like Weiss is dropping the ball but if the coach is all we can get for now then he's got under two years to shape the team up... as well as himself.
One thing I know for sure, the team needs its fans.
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Post by slayermoonlight on Oct 8, 2011 16:54:23 GMT 8
since we all now agree that Weiss is such a s****y manager, how about we go to the technical aspects of his inadequacy. racist: he hates black players. the El-Habib brothers are applying for naturalization even before all the AzKals hoopla. why did he not call them into the team? they are way better than Aranetas 20X over. lack of strategic vision: our players are not on the dwarf level like Vietnam, but why are not designing plays that maximizes their height advantage? where are our versions of flick-ons and knockdowns that Singapore employs against us several times? why would we be using ground balls and through balls when we could have easily gone to the express route "again" using our height advantage. did he not heard of the "3 pass rule" and "9 shoots per goal"? set-pieces that even our tall defenders can get a piece of scoring opportunity?(first goal last night comes from a defender) all NTs dreaded the German set-pieces ;D have we gotten a goal on dead ball situation under Weiss? we have gotten our goals from strong teams from "near dead-ball" situations. utter lack of tactical skills: * in-game adjustments * player spacing / pitch utilization * player specialization * match adaptation (scouting and learning from mistakes) * team evolution Wow! Ikaw na lang kaya mag coach??? Iho ito bang pinaga wa mo eh alam ng mga magulang mo...hehehe. Who said everybody agrees that Weis is a . And you are accusing the guy a racist? Wow! Weis earned his life in football, if he got this job and proposed by Germany to Pinas that is because he worked to be recognized. The way you exclaimed everything seems that football is soooo easy...anyway last ko na ito, just trying to help people and the moderators as well that I believe are getting pissed with your chlidish antics. Here is a piece of advise, you can root for a team with passion but at the end of the day you are just a simple fan that no matter how you get yourself exhausted bcoz your team is not winning you cannot do anything about it. Do not put it into heart dahil kaw lang ang talo, pre there are more improtant things that you can exhaust your precious life. I do not think exchanging ideas with you is good coz you are too proud of what you know that well in fact you know nothing except believing too much of what you know...gets mo? Mods pasensya na, tinulungan ko lang kayong disiplinahin itong damuhong ito... ;D...yabang! Can we get away with ad hominens and personal attacks shall we? your comment neither contributes positively to address the serious issue on coaching we are discussing here. vimjonk's posting attitude might not suit the tastes of others but in fairness the concerns he raised are legitimate. As matured posters of the blogosphere, we have to expect that not all poster's have the same manner of posting. Some are blunt, direct-to-the-point, and brutally honest while some are more "diplomatic" as they say. So as long as the post does not violate any forum rules, we don't have to feel butt-hurted and resort to name-calling. That includes "professional trashtalking". Although trolling and flaming are shunned forum etiquettes, we all have the liberty to "trash -talk" with others but in a subtle, non-demeaning, and in a civilized way. Heck, vimjonk once replied in my post saying "that I better shut up if I don't know anything about football" when I once commented on his post regarding a post-Suzuki Cup video featuring Etheridge. (I think it's about the Macca-Weiss comparison). Wala lang, i don't give a damn. No personal ill-feeling. No butthurt. Ang pikon kasi...talo. **** ang haba na ng sinabi ko... Back to topic******* it was earlier post (again by Vimjonk) that Azkal vs Singapore match will be a battle v.s. coaches. I want to hear your opinion if the 2 coaches swap places? Raddy (coach of SG NT) is coaching the Azkal that time while Weiss will coach the Singapore? Will Weiss get the same victory for Singapore? in my honest opinion backed by numbers, facts, and numerous discussions here, Raddy will massacre Singapore. [paging Mr. footbalnigel, your input will be highly appreciated ]
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