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Post by vimjonk on Oct 8, 2011 18:24:54 GMT 8
@gilasfanboy: can you offer anything that support your position? you said that Weiss is not sh1t what can you offer in his defense? how do you call a guy that does not accept a player, even though he is good, just for the sake of some racial traits? BTW: got tired in InterBasket? your reasoning seems to be in-line with the Pinoy posters in that forum slayermoonlight: well, i'm sorry for that. i did not remember it was you. sometimes I would just get carried away. all i remember it was abab. i have been twice fired from my previous jobs for saying something like that to my boss. i am lucky that we have so much IT positions available here in the country ;D
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Post by feindouno on Oct 8, 2011 18:31:00 GMT 8
vimjonk, unless we can catch Weiss's hand inside the cookie jar like Luis Aragones, we can't label him racist. We may call him a bad coach, but calling him a racist isn't something you should throw around casually.
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Post by Usapang Football on Oct 8, 2011 19:20:03 GMT 8
We should also realize that the management is aware of any repercussion that will come as a result of fielding naturalized players.
Remember, quite a few of Azkals' supporters haven't fully embraced the presence of foreign-based players. How much more a naturalized footballer?
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Post by sheajane80 on Oct 8, 2011 19:48:54 GMT 8
ako i realize na and i'm okay now with having a naturalized player in our team. bahala na ang mga ayaw sumakit ang puso nila sa kakatype ng negative sa net.
we need finishers and el habib bros definitely have it and can gun and run the ball themselves leaving the defender. and because basketball which supposedly has a nationwide pool of talents still resort to imports, why not football wherein the pool of talent isn't as big as basketball.
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Post by materkush on Oct 8, 2011 20:29:06 GMT 8
to much ignorant people.they think our phil-for can handle every thing.the touch of philY is fading away little by little.if we dont have naturalize player phil wouldn't improve his game specially kng lahat nang camera nakatutok sa kanya.
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Post by slayermoonlight on Oct 8, 2011 20:29:19 GMT 8
We should also realize that the management is aware of any repercussion that will come as a result of fielding naturalized players. Remember, quite a few of Azkals' supporters haven't fully embraced the presence of foreign-based players. How much more a naturalized footballer? Reprecussions like what? While I think it's not really necessary to get Naturalized player for our NT, but I don't thing it's a valid reason for our footall team to not get support. It's just a matter of educating the masses. If Singapore as well as hardcore European football countries have naturalized players. Why can't we? If Smart Gilas supporters cab accept Marcus Douthit, why can't Azkals accept the EL-Habbibs. PFF management must not take the sentiments of the few lambaster's and negative criticizers of the Azkals. As long as the grassroot programs for the youth and the UFL League efforts are sustained, then I don't see any reason for including Naturalized players for the Azkals (if they really need them forthe line-up).
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Post by Katipunero on Oct 8, 2011 20:29:38 GMT 8
Looking at the bigger picture I think were still in good shape. Remember Singapore is very much in form after beating Suzuki Cup champions Malaysia and having their WC qualifier against China taken from right under their noses despite deserving to win.
At first glance falling 2-nil after drawing them in the Suzuki Cup is a step back. Especially considering we fielded a better side yesterday as compared to what Simon had at his disposal. With that said, if you remember the Singapore match in 2010 we played nearly that entire match without the ball at our feet. We had our backs against the wall the entire match and Neil kept us in it. We were lucky to score an equalizer in stoppage time with some terrible defending by SG in a campaign where they themselves was lacking in luster.
But last night against a rejuvenated Lions squad, I was quite surprised especially in the beginning of the match. Our quality players translated into quality possessions. We were forming triangles on the pitch, efficient attacks on the wings and getting good attacks into the final third. Our defense was compact and collected and had the threat of going forward. This is something I have never seen from the Azkals in all my years of following them and against a SEA powerhouse. HEck of you told me a year ago we'd play this kind of game against SG, I'd be happy! I guess my standards were kinda low given I estimated it'd take us 50 years to catch up with the level of play with our neighbors. Yet here we are!
Considering this team had no practice together I could really take away a lot given this in all in line to prepare for 2012. This group of guys won't have much chances to build cohesion till the Challenge Cup. So let's be patient with their growing pains. Yesterday's match is something we could build-on and if we improve we'll be ready to compete for a spot in Australia(considering Nokor misses their flight).
But with that said, there are a lot of negatives to take out of this game as well. We got punished for a defensive lap on the 2nd goal(good teams punish you for every mistake) as well as our finishing and play in the final third leaves a lot to be desired. We really need that clinical finisher. These things alongside cohesion of course had to be addressed.
Regarding coaching, I don't want to comment given I don't know enough of the deal with the DFB. But it looks like were with Weiss till the Suzuki Cup and I hope he makes everything come together when we need it the most. He hasn't lost to a team we weren't supposed to with enough quality options at his disposal. But if something unfavorable happens on Tuesday...hmmmm
Still whether is Pep, Jose or some dishwasher holding the reins of our national team, let's not confuse support of country with gloryhunting. Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!
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Post by azkalvolcanogilas on Oct 8, 2011 20:51:05 GMT 8
ako i realize na and i'm okay now with having a naturalized player in our team. bahala na ang mga ayaw sumakit ang puso nila sa kakatype ng negative sa net. we need finishers and el habib bros definitely have it and can gun and run the ball themselves leaving the defender. and because basketball which supposedly has a nationwide pool of talents still resort to imports, why not football wherein the pool of talent isn't as big as basketball. I believe that is too early, no offense meant but we simply do not have the patience. Why do you need naturalization where you got heaps of exposed Fil-foreigners abroad in respectable leagues. In basketball we took naturalization because of size problem, but in football it is not the size but exposure and togetherness and probably the coach. At this time, I believe the rational acceptable clamor is if we win it is because we are all Pinoys that if we lose we take in stride as real Pinoys. Kailangan we proved ourselves first bago tayo mag naturalized, mag build naman tayo ng pride with an all-Pinoy cast, kaya naman eh, breaks are just not coming our way. The game against Singapore gave me a view of what these Azkals are capable of doing that if Palami and Araneta could create a formula that would make these top Azkals play together in many games, we will surely be better than most Asian countries. Singapore did not dominate us, they just got the breaks. Zuric scored because of a play which is a product of being together the whole time unlike the Azkals who are like playing pick-up games. I do not think we should be desperate for a naturalized player now, marami pa tayong hindi nawa, marami pang programang kailangang patakbuhin. Naturalization will come at the right time. Let us develop first our up and coming players.
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Post by sheajane80 on Oct 8, 2011 20:58:17 GMT 8
yup. conflicted lang. gusto din na ayaw din.hehe. nakakahiya kasi sa mga defenders sa efforts nila to defend well and get the ball back, give it to the front and for all that effort those in front madadapa bigla, maagawan lang ng ganun kadali, sisipa way off target, o mas malala offside.
as long as we're following FIFA rules eh di ipasok na mga yan.
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Post by narko on Oct 8, 2011 22:59:53 GMT 8
Looking at the bigger picture I think were still in good shape. Remember Singapore is very much in form after beating Suzuki Cup champions Malaysia and having their WC qualifier against China taken from right under their noses despite deserving to win. At first glance falling 2-nil after drawing them in the Suzuki Cup is a step back. Especially considering we fielded a better side yesterday as compared to what Simon had at his disposal. With that said, if you remember the Singapore match in 2010 we played nearly that entire match without the ball at our feet. We had our backs against the wall the entire match and Neil kept us in it. We were lucky to score an equalizer in stoppage time with some terrible defending by SG in a campaign where they themselves was lacking in luster. But last night against a rejuvenated Lions squad, I was quite surprised especially in the beginning of the match. Our quality players translated into quality possessions. We were forming triangles on the pitch, efficient attacks on the wings and getting good attacks into the final third. Our defense was compact and collected and had the threat of going forward. This is something I have never seen from the Azkals in all my years of following them and against a SEA powerhouse. HEck of you told me a year ago we'd play this kind of game against SG, I'd be happy! I guess my standards were kinda low given I estimated it'd take us 50 years to catch up with the level of play with our neighbors. Yet here we are! Considering this team had no practice together I could really take away a lot given this in all in line to prepare for 2012. This group of guys won't have much chances to build cohesion till the Challenge Cup. So let's be patient with their growing pains. Yesterday's match is something we could build-on and if we improve we'll be ready to compete for a spot in Australia(considering Nokor misses their flight). But with that said, there are a lot of negatives to take out of this game as well. We got punished for a defensive lap on the 2nd goal(good teams punish you for every mistake) as well as our finishing and play in the final third leaves a lot to be desired. We really need that clinical finisher. These things alongside cohesion of course had to be addressed. Regarding coaching, I don't want to comment given I don't know enough of the deal with the DFB. But it looks like were with Weiss till the Suzuki Cup and I hope he makes everything come together when we need it the most. He hasn't lost to a team we weren't supposed to with enough quality options at his disposal. But if something unfavorable happens on Tuesday...hmmmm Still whether is Pep, Jose or some dishwasher holding the reins of our national team, let's not confuse support of country with gloryhunting. Mabuhay ang Pilipinas! Thanks for the timely reminder Katipunero for all of us to catch our breath and look at the big picture and be objective. I also would like to refer to one of buddha's post reminding us all of Philippine football's dark ages because I do. I remember watching a Tiger Cup match several years ago where we scored a goal and the goalscorer (I forgot whom) did a body slide and everyone was pretty ecstatic with the goal. Only thing was we were 3 goals down by that time already. The foreign commentator on Star Sports channel said something like look at the Filipinos celebrating their goal, it's like they won the championship. That was pretty condescending and I remember those days. Back then we were happy to score a goal, pleased if we didn't get steamrollered and a draw was a monumental achievement. But these days, we can already afford to be pissed at losing, of giving away a win or almost taking 3 full points and with good reason at that too as we have been way, way much better since those days which wasn't that long ago if we are all to be honest with ourselves. As Katipunero stated, he's happy to see the Azkals play the way they are doing now, win, lose or draw. I am too. When we can go hit the cross bar on several occasions against Kuwait, score against them first in the second leg, go toe to toe against Singapore playing positive (albeit pretty risky) football I would say that is progress. Let us not forget, against Macau we were expecting a goalfest, well there were 27 shots from the Azkals in that match. Against Singapore we had 12 shots, Singapore had one less yet they made 2 count, we didn't. Mighty Barcelona was once beaten by a mid-table team who only had 2 shots the whole match which went in as opposed to Barcelona's more than a dozen shots. Perspective gentlemen and patience. This is a new project that just got started 9 months ago, what are the expectations? Remember that Dan Palami is the manager, he talked to the German Federation and to Weiss. We all know Dan has a vision and a project, the assistance package of the Germans is there to support that project. Weiss is the coach and Dan is the manager, the coach will adhere to the manager's vision. Knowing Mr. Palami, this is more than just winning matches, this is about building for the future. We don't know their roadmap and the metrics they have for gauging their progress, best we trust Dan to carry this through. He started this and I am sure he aims to finish it. We here talk the talk, Dan is out there doing the walk, and with what the Azkals have achieved under his stewardship, I would say the man knows what he is doing. So if there is anyone here who is in the best position to judge Weiss' performance, it is Mr. Dan Palami. I am sure that if Weiss is not up to scratch, Dan will do something about it. I don't know about some of you, but from the baseline in which I have known Philippine football to be I am pleased with how far we have progressed in such a short time. We now are respected opponents and taken seriously by our opponents. However, this is simply just the start, the beginning. It looks to me that some people here think we already are up there with the rest. This project is 9 months old, there's a long, hard road still up ahead. It's ironic, people who bash football give as one of their reasons that football is boring and frustrating to watch, the goal takes a long time in coming. Yet here we are, football aficionados and only just 9 months into a new long term project that has been reasonably successful so far and we are already so frustrated because we are not winning all our matches. Spain was a perennial underachiever before it all clicked for them decades later and the Dutch are highly rated yet haven't won the World Cup, and here we are pissed already that only after 9 months the coaching staff is still working out combinations and trying out various systems. Perspective gentlemen, and let me add patience, faith and belief.
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Post by kangaroo on Oct 8, 2011 23:04:55 GMT 8
Some points I would like to raise.
I do understand the sentiments of people against fil-foreigners because they tend to deprive homegrowns of jobs particularly in basketball. But they have to realize these fil-foreigners are Pinoys as well and its not their fault they are such. How would they feel if they are the parents of a fil-foreign? Nowadays in sports and in almost everything competition is the name of the game. Harsh for homegrown as it is they have to earn their spots. Perhaps because we Pinoys usually use our heart more which is typically Pinoy.
I may have overheard Dan Palami on Hardball saying that he wants to avoid having a team of fil-foreigners because of the possible negative perception of some people. Amazingly the Azkals is turning into such. Look at the composition of the senior team, how many real homegrown do we have? Chieffy, Ian, Gener, Sacapano and probably Aly. And and how many really plays significant minutes? As it is the general public love our Azkals despite it. You can say we are impatient, but with football gaining momentum into the consciousness of Pinoys we have to sustain it. Since we are still on the process of developing our grassroots program we can't stand pat and be satisfied with what we have. Sa atin di ka papansinin kung lagi kang natatalo. Football cannot go back to where it was before. That why it is critical to keep winning for now. Especially that most average Pinoys are not yet there in terms of their understanding of the game of football. The interest may just die down if the team do the contrary.
Now as to having a naturalized player in the NT, I'm for it particularly in positions we needed and if it makes the team better. As to whether the general public will agree with it remains to be seen. I can understand Dan Palami of being cautious on having an all fil-foreign NT. Public opinion matters to him as our Azkals are loved by Pinoys nowadays. They are the reason why media kept on covering them. I can see him trying to gauge public opinion before getting a naturalized player in the NT. I just hope most Pinoys will have an open mind with the idea.
We now have a good team and it will really help us get to the next level if we address our glaring needs. And right now we don't have a lot of options at the strikers position. That's where the possibility of naturalizing comes in. If and when we do have players who can take their spots who are either homegrown or fil-foreign then by all means lets get him in the squad. Regarding the El-Habbibs, if its true that they have acquired citizenship or are interested to be naturalized they can really help us fill the team's need. I can't think of any player/s deserving as them as they have lived and studied in the country. Plus the fact that they're already playing in our local league. And we don't have to spend that much money to get them naturalized instead of getting someone playing overseas. We might have to spend huge amounts if we do. Just to give you an idea, in basketball the SBP thru MVP's own pocket pays 20k dollars a month inclusive of priviledges for our naturalized player even if he's not playing.
At the end of the day we all want see our football to grown and field a team that we can be proud of purely homegrown or not. Aren't all the passionate football fans here feel the same sentiment? For sure having an all homegrown players makes us even prouder. But at this day and age where Pinoys are everywhere in the world we can't help it as someone out there can prove they deserve a spot in our NT.
Go Azkals! Keep the passion burning!
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Post by tophercap on Oct 8, 2011 23:13:37 GMT 8
Looking at the bigger picture I think were still in good shape. Remember Singapore is very much in form after beating Suzuki Cup champions Malaysia and having their WC qualifier against China taken from right under their noses despite deserving to win. At first glance falling 2-nil after drawing them in the Suzuki Cup is a step back. Especially considering we fielded a better side yesterday as compared to what Simon had at his disposal. With that said, if you remember the Singapore match in 2010 we played nearly that entire match without the ball at our feet. We had our backs against the wall the entire match and Neil kept us in it. We were lucky to score an equalizer in stoppage time with some terrible defending by SG in a campaign where they themselves was lacking in luster. But last night against a rejuvenated Lions squad, I was quite surprised especially in the beginning of the match. Our quality players translated into quality possessions. We were forming triangles on the pitch, efficient attacks on the wings and getting good attacks into the final third. Our defense was compact and collected and had the threat of going forward. This is something I have never seen from the Azkals in all my years of following them and against a SEA powerhouse. HEck of you told me a year ago we'd play this kind of game against SG, I'd be happy! I guess my standards were kinda low given I estimated it'd take us 50 years to catch up with the level of play with our neighbors. Yet here we are! Considering this team had no practice together I could really take away a lot given this in all in line to prepare for 2012. This group of guys won't have much chances to build cohesion till the Challenge Cup. So let's be patient with their growing pains. Yesterday's match is something we could build-on and if we improve we'll be ready to compete for a spot in Australia(considering Nokor misses their flight). But with that said, there are a lot of negatives to take out of this game as well. We got punished for a defensive lap on the 2nd goal(good teams punish you for every mistake) as well as our finishing and play in the final third leaves a lot to be desired. We really need that clinical finisher. These things alongside cohesion of course had to be addressed. Regarding coaching, I don't want to comment given I don't know enough of the deal with the DFB. But it looks like were with Weiss till the Suzuki Cup and I hope he makes everything come together when we need it the most. He hasn't lost to a team we weren't supposed to with enough quality options at his disposal. But if something unfavorable happens on Tuesday...hmmmm Still whether is Pep, Jose or some dishwasher holding the reins of our national team, let's not confuse support of country with gloryhunting. Mabuhay ang Pilipinas! Thanks for the timely reminder Katipunero for all of us to catch our breath and look at the big picture and be objective. I also would like to refer to one of buddha's post reminding us all of Philippine football's dark ages because I do. I remember watching a Tiger Cup match several years ago where we scored a goal and the goalscorer (I forgot whom) did a body slide and everyone was pretty ecstatic with the goal. Only thing was we were 3 goals down by that time already. The foreign commentator on Star Sports channel said something like look at the Filipinos celebrating their goal, it's like they won the championship. That was pretty condescending and I remember those days. Back then we were happy to score a goal, pleased if we didn't get steamrollered and a draw was a monumental achievement. But these days, we can already afford to be pissed at losing, of giving away a win or almost taking 3 full points and with good reason at that too as we have been way, way much better since those days which wasn't that long ago if we are all to be honest with ourselves. As Katipunero stated, he's happy to see the Azkals play the way they are doing now, win, lose or draw. I am too. When we can go hit the cross bar on several occasions against Kuwait, score against them first in the second leg, go toe to toe against Singapore playing positive (albeit pretty risky) football I would say that is progress. Let us not forget, against Macau we were expecting a goalfest, well there were 27 shots from the Azkals in that match. Against Singapore we had 12 shots, Singapore had one less yet they made 2 count, we didn't. Mighty Barcelona was once beaten by a mid-table team who only had 2 shots the whole match which went in as opposed to Barcelona's more than a dozen shots. Perspective gentlemen and patience. This is a new project that just got started 9 months ago, what are the expectations? Remember that Dan Palami is the manager, he talked to the German Federation and to Weiss. We all know Dan has a vision and a project, the assistance package of the Germans is there to support that project. Weiss is the coach and Dan is the manager, the coach will adhere to the manager's vision. Knowing Mr. Palami, this is more than just winning matches, this is about building for the future. We don't know their roadmap and the metrics they have for gauging their progress, best we trust Dan to carry this through. He started this and I am sure he aims to finish it. We here talk the talk, Dan is out there doing the walk, and with what the Azkals have achieved under his stewardship, I would say the man knows what he is doing. So if there is anyone here who is in the best position to judge Weiss' performance, it is Mr. Dan Palami. I am sure that if Weiss is not up to scratch, Dan will do something about it. I don't know about some of you, but from the baseline in which I have known Philippine football to be I am pleased with how far we have progressed in such a short time. We now are respected opponents and taken seriously by our opponents. However, this is simply just the start, the beginning. It looks to me that some people here think we already are up there with the rest. This project is 9 months old, there's a long, hard road still up ahead. It's ironic, people who bash football give as one of their reasons that football is boring and frustrating to watch, the goal takes a long time in coming. Yet here we are, football aficionados and only just 9 months into a new long term project that has been reasonably successful so far and we are already so frustrated because we are not winning all our matches. Spain was a perennial underachiever before it all clicked for them decades later and the Dutch are highly rated yet haven't won the World Cup, and here we are pissed already that only after 9 months the coaching staff is still working out combinations and trying out various systems. Perspective gentlemen, and let me add patience, faith and belief. Spot on.
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Post by cjeagle on Oct 8, 2011 23:58:13 GMT 8
It is the current policy of the PFF and team management that we will not field naturalized players on the team for several reasons. There is nothing racist about this policy.
First of all, they don't consider it necessary at this time to recruit naturalized players, as we have plenty of players from around the world of Filipino heritage that we can harness at every position. Even for the the striker position, we have not even tried Reichelt, Wolf, Eide or other players who have proven their ability to score in foreign leagues abroad.
Secondly, they wanted to avoid a public backlash. You guys have to understand that one of the reasons that the team has become popular all of a sudden is the marketing savvy of team management. Remember that not too long ago, not too many people cared about the team. They wanted fans to identify with the team, so they decided to chose players that have Filipino blood. Most Filipinos have relatives who work abroad and cousins, nephews and nieces with mixed bloodlines as a result, so it is easy for us to claim them as one of our own. It would not be the same with naturalized players.
Third, it would not be fair to our local born players, who are having difficulty getting into the team, to start adding naturalized players. If we had a professional league that is producing plenty of quality local players that can play on the national team and most of our national team members are sourced locally, it would be easier to consider adding a few naturalized players for the team but as we all know, 2/3 of the team are foreign born as it is. It would not be fair to our local players and to our youngsters who aspire to be national team players to marginalize them even further by recruiting naturalized players.
Fourth, which is a related issue to the previous reason, is team chemistry. It is easier for players to relate and pull for each other if they have shared bonds and heritage . Remarkably all of our players no matter how much they were exposed to Filipino culture prior to joining the team have embraced their Filipino identity wholeheartedly. This has been recognized by our local players and has made it easier for them to accept as members of the team, which would not be the case if we had naturalized players on team.
Finally, I am an active member of football forums whose members come from different nations, like bigsoccer, and I can attest to the fact that most countries esp. in Asia, resent the use of naturalized players by other countries esp. in the case of Qatar where majority of the team does consist of naturalized players. They are by and large willing to consider those with blood ties to this countries as a somewhat acceptable way of upgrading your team, although a small minority consider this unfair as well, but the issue of naturalized players is a loaded one that definitely raises a lot of resentment from most of the members of those forums.
To put everything into perspective I would like to quote one of the members of our rugby national team which has a siimilar makeup as that of the Azkals, Phil Abraham, when describing what it is like to play for the Philippines:
"My selection to the Philippine Volcanoes has been the greatest honor and blessing of my rugby career. The team is a family, a true brotherhood. The players are from all over the world, and we come together and do battle in the name of our people. The bonds, the competition, and the blood we share create an experience that is unrivaled by any other. Growth on the rugby pitch has gone hand in hand with growth in my life off the pitch as well."
I would like to add that in the case of Volcanoes, they have to pay for their own plane fare as well as take a leave of absence from their regular jobs whenever they play for the team. They consider it an honor to play for the team and are willing to do whatever it takes to do so.
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Post by sheajane80 on Oct 9, 2011 0:00:29 GMT 8
Some points I would like to raise. I do understand the sentiments of people against fil-foreigners because they tend to deprive homegrowns of jobs particularly in basketball. But they have to realize these fil-foreigners are Pinoys as well and its not their fault they are such. How would they feel if they are the parents of a fil-foreign? Nowadays in sports and in almost everything competition is the name of the game. Harsh for homegrown as it is they have to earn their spots. Perhaps because we Pinoys usually use our heart more which is typically Pinoy. I may have overheard Dan Palami on Hardball saying that he wants to avoid having a team of fil-foreigners because of the possible negative perception of some people. Amazingly the Azkals is turning into such. Look at the composition of the senior team, how many real homegrown do we have? Chieffy, Ian, Gener, Sacapano and probably Aly. And and how many really plays significant minutes? As it is the general public love our Azkals despite it. You can say we are impatient, but with football gaining momentum into the consciousness of Pinoys we have to sustain it. Since we are still on the process of developing our grassroots program we can't stand pat and be satisfied with what we have. Sa atin di ka papansinin kung lagi kang natatalo. Football cannot go back to where it was before. That why it is critical to keep winning for now. Especially that most average Pinoys are not yet there in terms of their understanding of the game of football. The interest may just die down if the team do the contrary. Now as to having a naturalized player in the NT, I'm for it particularly in positions we needed and if it makes the team better. As to whether the general public will agree with it remains to be seen. I can understand Dan Palami of being cautious on having an all fil-foreign NT. Public opinion matters to him as our Azkals are loved by Pinoys nowadays. They are the reason why media kept on covering them. I can see him trying to gauge public opinion before getting a naturalized player in the NT. I just hope most Pinoys will have an open mind with the idea. We now have a good team and it will really help us get to the next level if we address our glaring needs. And right now we don't have a lot of options at the strikers position. That's where the possibility of naturalizing comes in. If and when we do have players who can take their spots who are either homegrown or fil-foreign then by all means lets get him in the squad. Regarding the El-Habbibs, if its true that they have acquired citizenship or are interested to be naturalized they can really help us fill the team's need. I can't think of any player/s deserving as them as they have lived and studied in the country. Plus the fact that they're already playing in our local league. And we don't have to spend that much money to get them naturalized instead of getting someone playing overseas. We might have to spend huge amounts if we do. Just to give you an idea, in basketball the SBP thru MVP's own pocket pays 20k dollars a month inclusive of priviledges for our naturalized player even if he's not playing. At the end of the day we all want see our football to grown and field a team that we can be proud of purely homegrown or not. Aren't all the passionate football fans here feel the same sentiment? For sure having an all homegrown players makes us even prouder. But at this day and age where Pinoys are everywhere in the world we can't help it as someone out there can prove they deserve a spot in our NT. Go Azkals! Keep the passion burning! second paragraph i so agree. pinoys tend to give up supporting once they see an athlete or team always losing. the idea here is to be realistic on who the azkals can really win against(ie minnows), can win(ie singapore was winnable or drawable),no chance for now(ie kuwait). continually winning against minnows would make people happy but that wouldn't push support if we can't win against winnable opponents. that's where the idea of sustaining momentum enters, by winning against tough yet winnable opponents. if we keep on losing against these kind of opponents, dahan-dahan the support will surely wane. fourth paragraph i also agree. because in this case since these naturalized players are already here and studying here, WALANG PROBLEMA SA NOT KNOWING THESE PLAYERS TENDENCIES AND STYLES as compared to fil-foreigners who are not always here. one thing i'd like to add is dapat panoorin nila ang tapes/replays nung mga wasted scoring chances at mag practice repeating that same situation with the same number of attackers and defenders on the same position at ulit ulitin nila kung ano dapat ginawa nila. practice sila set plays sa final finishing touches. sa napansin ko di nila kaya na dalawa lang ang nasa taas, madali lang masira ng kalaban ang offense nila.
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Post by narko on Oct 9, 2011 0:02:58 GMT 8
It is the current policy of the PFF and team management that we will not field naturalized players on the team for several reasons. There is nothing racist about this policy. First of all, they don't consider it necessary at this time to recruit naturalized players, as we have plenty of players from around the world of Filipino heritage that we can harness at every position. Even for the the striker position, we have not even tried Reichelt, Wolf, Eide or other players who have proven their ability to score in foreign leagues abroad. Secondly, they wanted to avoid a public backlash. You guys have to understand that one of the reasons that the team has become popular all of a sudden is the marketing savvy of team management. Remember that not too long ago, not too many people cared about the team. They wanted fans to identify with the team, so they decided to chose players that have Filipino blood. Most Filipinos have relatives who work abroad and cousins, nephews and nieces with mixed bloodlines as a result, so it is easy for us to claim them as one of our own. It would not be the same with naturalized players. Third, it would not be fair to our local born players, who are having difficulty getting into the team, to start adding naturalized players. If we had a professional league that is producing plenty of quality local players that can play on the national team and most of our national team members are sourced locally, it would be easier to consider adding a few naturalized players for the team but as we all know, 2/3 of the team are foreign born as it is. It would not be fair to our local players and to our youngsters who aspire to be national team players to marginalize them even further by recruiting naturalized players. Fourth, which is a related issue to the previous reason, is team chemistry. It is easier for players to relate and pull for each other if they have shared bonds and heirtage . Remarkably all of our players no matter how much they were exposed to Filipino culture prior to joining the team have embraced their Filipino identity wholeheartedly. This has been recognized by our local players and has made it easier for them to accept as members of the team, which would not be the case if we had naturalized players on team. Finally, I am an active member of football forums whose members come from different nations, like bigsoccer, and I can attest to the fact that most countries esp. in Asia, resent the use of naturalized players by other countries esp. in the case of Qatar where majority of the team does consist of naturalized players. They are by and large willing to consider those with blood ties to this countries as a somewhat acceptable way of upgrading your team, although a small minority consider this unfair as well, but the issue of naturalized players is a loaded one that definitely raises a lot of resentment from most of the members of those forums. To put everything into perspective I would like to quote one of the members of our rugby national team which has a siimilar makeup as that of the Azkals, Phil Abraham, when describing what it is like to play for the Philippines: "My selection to the Philippine Volcanoes has been the greatest honor and blessing of my rugby career. The team is a family, a true brotherhood. The players are from all over the world, and we come together and do battle in the name of our people. The bonds, the competition, and the blood we share create an experience that is unrivaled by any other. Growth on the rugby pitch has gone hand in hand with growth in my life off the pitch as well." I would like to add that in the case of Volcanoes, they have to pay for their own plane fare as well as take a leave of absence from their regular jobs whenever they play for the team. They consider it an honor to play for the team and are willing to do whatever it takes to do so. Well said cjeagle, that should put this issue to rest.
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