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Post by orwat on Feb 6, 2013 23:09:59 GMT 8
More than anything else, the game only showed that we can only depend on "luck" under Weiss and nothing else. While its good to win, in friendly games what matter most is how you played the game.. its the time to try out new plays, strategies, etc.
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Post by strikerbon on Feb 7, 2013 0:58:42 GMT 8
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Post by butchok on Feb 7, 2013 5:20:43 GMT 8
Even without hamstring injury, I think J.Younghusband would not still be picked in starting line-up. He is losing his Right midfielder spot to Reichelt and it started last year in Peace Cup when Reichelt performed superbly while JYH missed the tourney due to other commitments.
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Post by butchok on Feb 7, 2013 6:06:27 GMT 8
As P.Younghusband was marked heavily by Burmese defenders it frees his offensive partner, a low profile second striker or attacking midfield OJ Porteria to create chances. I know OJ is a strong finisher (partly attributed to his being a designated kicker when he played gridiron football back in States) it is just he has not given much opportunity to start. Well, he is still 18 years old and he got much time to improve his skills.
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Post by roldforgoal on Feb 7, 2013 7:13:27 GMT 8
Our team got lucky to get the win on this one. Our defense was a mess, thanks for Neil on this clean sheet. I think PFF should now find a younger defenders for our future campaign. The only bright spot i see is PYH doing a second stricker role feeding the main striker and our wing midfielders for the chances. Imagine this PYH feeding Patino upfront in the Challenge Cup. But Ive got to mention Ian Araneta, he played a good game, he passed 2 possible goal oppurtunities to his teamates, and even scoring one (but was called for offside). I hope to see the chemistry of our team this Challenge Cup because we will be facing a much higher notch opponents. Our midfield should be influential on this.
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Post by slayermoonlight on Feb 7, 2013 9:15:53 GMT 8
All I see here are "they got lucky" statement. Only 1-2 people excluding me actually congratulated the team for the win. wtf are wrong with you guys? You really are expecting alot from the Azkals? As I mentioned many times, Football has just been revived in the Philippines 2 years ago! Can you just get over with Weiss? Sheessshh I dunno if this is Filipino crab mentality or just a Filipino tendency of not moving forward.
Yeah yeah I know our coach is stupid, walang alam, bobo, puro longball, [c'mon add some more description here] but it has been said over and over again that PFF has no money to spend for a better coach. My goodness! all this tsunami of stupidity are making me sick early in the morning. May magcomment lang ng "they got lucky" ayan na sunod-sunod na ang ganun comment.
Guys can't you be reasonable for once? Do you expect a football system be brought up to fruition in a span of 2 short years? And how do you expect to have a better coach and better football infrastructure when only 10-20% of the Philippine population only care about football (and majority are just bandwagoners).
I don't care if it was a lucky win. It clearly shows you haven't played any sports. Luck is always a factor. And oh, I always believe that luck can be modified. The better and more skillful team will have more opportunity (more luck) than the lesser team. You dig in?
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Post by butchok on Feb 7, 2013 9:40:57 GMT 8
The positive thing with this friendly match, opportunities were given to our youngsters who will form the core of Philippine under 23 team which will compete in SEA Games in Myanmar later this year. Most of the players of Myanmar side are also ages under 23 so expect a grueling rematch comes SEA tourney. Guys like Etheridge, Manny Ott, De Jong, Christiaens, Marwin and OJ will surely remember this match how they are being dominated by array of Burmese shots on target, how these opponents exploit their weaknesses in defense. So I expect they will come up stronger in defense and more prepared.
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Post by hat3trick on Feb 7, 2013 10:13:16 GMT 8
What a Strike! OJ is the future hehe but It could have been 2 Nil! or atleast a clear chance to make it 2 Nil, sometimes or maybe most of the time that was the problem of a young player being selfish. Anyway Congrats for the Win.
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Post by orwat on Feb 7, 2013 10:33:18 GMT 8
I don't care if it was a lucky win. It clearly shows you haven't played any sports. - Looks like its clear that you have not played any sports cause if you did, you know you cannot depend on luck.... if you did, you know the difference between winning cause you know you played better compared to wining due to pure luck.. at this point, if we want to move forward we can no longer depend on luck
Luck is always a factor - sometimes but not always..
. And oh, I always believe that luck can be modified. The better and more skillful team will have more opportunity (more luck) than the lesser team. You dig in? - You create oppurtunites but you just wait for luck... how come they aer the same
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Post by Caz on Feb 7, 2013 11:10:34 GMT 8
Hi guys, sorry I missed the live chat. But I watched the whole match! I'm grateful for the win, congrats to the Azkals for pulling it off! I do have to say that Myanmar played better football but they just couldn't finish off their pretty plays on attack. They're pretty young though so I do expect them to grow their teeth in the next couple of years. A lot of credit to Neil, he was sharp and made some great reflex saves. But some of the fault lies in the Burmese strikers who, even sometimes wide open, couldn't make that definitive strike for a goal. Phil YH couldn't do much being so heavily marked. I've always felt he does his best when on a run from a well placed through ball, but those just wouldn't come last night. Maybe it's time he play withdrawn striker again and set things up for another forward or to pick up missed attempts. Nevertheless, when he had the ball he did well, especially when he wasn't in a position to score. I thought Chieffy should have had the ball more. He was a real threat on his flank but it seemed plays kept coming from the right. OJ and Patrick did well too. And we now know Manny can't be a RB. And wow, Araneta did well! See, when he doesn't try to score goals he's actually effective being a such a workhorse. Good job on him. He wasn't there much of the game but his energy counted a lot. Porteria showed his hothead side. Good thing the veterans were there to push him away from heated situations. The plays the Azkals tried to execute need more tweaking. Myanmar showed a lot of craftiness and I don't think it's that hard for our guys to pull off similar tricks considering the talent they have. Looking forward to seeing Patino play. We do need more teeth up front.
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Post by slayermoonlight on Feb 7, 2013 11:44:52 GMT 8
@ orwat - and what do you want to point here? why not comment as a whole instead of cutting text. comment on the entire post if you think I don't make any sense. Para kasing na-mimilosopo nalang tayo dito pag ganyan.
but anyway, lets ride along with this philosophical argument as long we don't sound trolling here which might lead to threadlocking and consequential banning of our moderators:
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Luck as always been a factor simply because its always there. The possibility of "getting lucky" is there, but does not guarantee to present itself to you. It's like "0" and "1" in boolean logic.
As for the second line wherein you commented in the luck modifier and opportunity = luck; I'm not equating them as the same thing. What I'm saying is you someone will have more chances of getting luck if he gets more opportunity to perform/execute something to achieve a desired result. Opportunities comes but does not guarantee desired result, either because an execution of an action either fell short to reach a certain threshold of success, or... simply because you're are unlucky aka "negative luck". And there is also this we called "wasted opportunity" which mostly happen when there is no execution of an action is done.
And for the record, I did not said anything to "wait for luck" so sorry I will not accept your comment saying "wait for luck" because I never believe in such oxymoron "waiting for luck". You won't even have a chance to win a million bucks, even if you pray and wait for it, if you didn't even bought a lotto ticket. On the otherhand, you can modify your luck by having more entries.
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Going back to topic...
So much for this Luck thing. to those of you who just think this is just luck, I disagree. This is a well deserved win because of hard work, fighting spirit, experience gain from previous matches, and our players are physically superior to their counterparts. These advantages we had somehow offsetted the lack of football system and the poor coach the team had. But this is not by any mean becoming "lucky". I bet the Myanmar team are thinking how unlucky they are playing against a combined force of foreigners (Fil-fors) and success-hungry Filipinos without Kyi Lin.
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Post by jyapjoco on Feb 7, 2013 11:54:27 GMT 8
I saw a different Ian in the match, nice job dude...
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Post by rhamz84 on Feb 7, 2013 12:59:40 GMT 8
I saw a different Ian in the match, nice job dude... Hehe, pwede na pang Colgate, better than Close-up jk... ;D Good to know we win, any highlight video links for this one?
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Post by orwat on Feb 7, 2013 13:02:32 GMT 8
slayermoonlight I agree that luck does not always present itself thus I don't to depend on it. I would rather see the team lose in a friendly but played well showing the improvements ( specially coaching ) and potential they have rather than win due to luck.. The probability of "luck" cropping up in official games would be higher that way. BY the way, luck in this case does not mean its a lucky shot cause I know OJ is a good player and is capable of doing it but lucky in the sense that individually we have skillful players like OJ. In football however, this is not enough and that's where the system and coaching comes in. Two years is enough for Weiss to introduce the proper system to the team. You can look at how Reid is able to effect changes already in the short time that he is with Global.. Yes football is not that popular yet in the country but we have good national players ( you agreed on this as well ) so were not starting from scratch.. this guys when coached well can easily fit into the system...it might not be that easy but two years is too long...
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Post by teddyandtimmysdad on Feb 7, 2013 13:24:01 GMT 8
Luck had NOTHING to do with this win. Poor finishing by Myanmar was probably the biggest factor - NOT luck. This is especially true since the pitch was in such good shape - allowing for true rolls, fewer bobbles which make a bad strike "unlucky." Like anything, good finishing is a skill. In this match we were more skilled than they were when it came to finishing. The scoreline proves this. Luck has nothing to do with it at all.
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