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Post by opn on Jul 10, 2011 22:29:23 GMT 8
Posted by locotes on Today at 9:39pm I hate it when people think just coz both their parents were born in this country they deserve it more wearing the shirt than others. On my book ethnic background is not important. Prove yourself on the field and we will call you an Azkal.
As for Chieffy being the captain, he should not make any statement that would divide or even label players about their ethnicity. If he keeps on doing this he will be doing more harm than good, then I would rather have somebody else to fill that post. Del Rosario or James maybe? Im not sure how this players influence other players behind doors, so let the coach make that decision.
Chieffy: "kahit ako lang sa first eleven ang tunay na Pilipino....o may dugong Pinoy"....
Some people are just ignorant when it comes to this things. You cant blame them. I feel sorry for them instead. I wish we could get the full transcript of the interview and read it in full context or watch it so we can see for ourselves whether it was a misleading question and he was trapped into it by the interviewer. Sadly, that statement and the use of such words in itself is very irresponsible and insensitive of Chieffy. I also think he should try curb the tendency to differentiate himself from the other members of the team (e.g. I think him saluting the flag when the national anthem is being played is OTT to be honest). As interim leader of the team he should be careful in how he conducts himself esp. now that he and the Azkals are very visible in the media. I'm afraid that if the team's management does not reign him in, this is going to be a PR nightmare waiting to happen. Our NT should be working on to have more cohesion and not get waylaid by these ill feelings which is instigated by the media. They are like bloodhounds and they sensationalize soundbites to get headlines - I noticed that these interviews were done by GMA 7 who also wants to coattails on the Azkals popularity. It's all about a ratings game for them and its high time someone in the Azkals team management employ media control. P.S. Can we refrain from writing in all caps please..(unless your finger is stuck at your caps lock key). Its like shouting not to mention its rude. ;D
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Post by samhain13 on Jul 10, 2011 22:34:52 GMT 8
Matanong ko nga lang, meron ba talagang "pure" Pinoy?
If we were to base our answer on bloodlines; then heck, we might as well all be Africans. Diyan naman nagsimula ang lahat, diba? It's not as if people just materialised on these islands.
If we were to base our answer on cultural background; then we have to consider that many traditions that we call our own have actually come from different parts of the world: Spain, America, India, China, etc. Even the katutubo traditions had to have come from elsewhere since our ethnic tribes are descendants of ancient migrants.
If we were to base our answer on present political conventions; then we'll have to refer to our Constitution, which defines who is/can be a citizen of the Philippines. What we do not see in the Constitution is a differentiation between what we might consider as "types of citizens". Simply put, all citizens of the Republic are equal— regardless of how each individual acquired his or her Philippine citizenship. We're not like other countries or cultures that have something like a Caste System, where some citizens are "better" or have a higher standing than others.
All this talk about being "tunay na Pilipino" or "purong-Pilipino" is bullcrap. It has no biological, cultural, nor political foundation; it's just an unfounded opinion that only has an "appeal to emotion" going for it.
Chieffy's a good player who has great individual skill; and from what I've seen last Sunday, he can also be a team player. But for him to espouse this kind of thinking, whilst working with other guys who are equally Filipino; I think that perhaps, other guys are more suited to be team captain. But then, as cowscrubber said, "the only official responsibility a captain has is the pre-match coin toss."
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Post by narko on Jul 10, 2011 22:39:02 GMT 8
Matanong ko nga lang, meron ba talagang "pure" Pinoy? If we were to base our answer on bloodlines; then heck, we might as well all be Africans. Diyan naman nagsimula ang lahat, diba? It's not as if people just materialised on these islands. If we were to base our answer on cultural background; then we have to consider that many traditions that we call our own have actually come from different parts of the world: Spain, America, India, China, etc. Even the katutubo traditions had to have come from elsewhere since our ethnic tribes are descendants of ancient migrants. If we were to base our answer on present political conventions; then we we'll have to refer to our Constitution, which defines who is/can be a citizen of the Philippines. What we do not see in the Constitution is a differentiation between what we might consider as "types of citizens". Simply put, all citizens of the Republic are equal— regardless of how each individual acquired his or her Philippine citizenship. We're not like other countries or cultures that have something like a Caste System, where some citizens are "better" or have a higher standing than others. All this talk about being "tunay na Pilipino" or "purong-Pilipino" is bullcrap. It has no biological, cultural, nor political foundation; it's just an unfounded opinion that only has an "appeal to emotion" going for it. Chieffy's a good player who has great individual skill; and from what I've seen last Sunday, he can also be a team player. But for him to espouse this kind of thinking, whilst working with other guys who are equally Filipino; I think that perhaps, other guys are more suited to be team captain. But then, as cowscrubber said, "the only official responsibility a captain has is the pre-match coin toss." If I may add to your point Samhain, those sentiments and beliefs about "pure blood" or "purong pilipino," etc. is the kind of thinking that caused all those problems in the Balkans (Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo) in the 90s.
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Post by lionel on Jul 10, 2011 22:46:17 GMT 8
Posted by locotes on Today at 9:39pm
Chieffy: "kahit ako lang sa first eleven ang tunay na Pilipino....o may dugong Pinoy"....
baka naman po ang ibig niya sabihin ay kahit siya nalang ang homegrown sa first eleven. kasi knowing chieffy is from province (no offense sa mga taga province, im from province to) syempre hindi niya talaga dialect ang tagalog. maybe nagamit nya lang yung word na yun para masabi niya ang nasa isip niya. and maybe we just misinterpreted yung kanyang sinabi. we'll speculation lang naman yun (PEACE)
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Post by samhain13 on Jul 10, 2011 22:48:56 GMT 8
narko: true that! And even now, the same thing is happening in some parts of Africa. Although, all of that is a bit extreme already.
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Post by bluefeather80 on Jul 10, 2011 22:51:12 GMT 8
eto post ulit from another forum: may pamankin ako half german half pinoy.. e anu ngayon kung half sia..tumira sia sa bahay..gang ngayon hinahanap nia ang sinangag.. sopas at waltermart.. asa germany na sia ngyn..kase mas maganda opportunity nya dun kaya dinala sia ng sis ko.. kasalanan ba nya yun.. panu pag bumalik sia dito..idedescriminate din ba natin sia.. diko lang maintindihan kung bat ayaw nyo nga half..e ang pinoy pag pumunta sa ibang bansa at dinescriminate.. natutuwa ba tau.. panu pag sinabi sa ibang bansa dapat natives lang ang andun..tama ba yun..
so let me ask chippy and those who support his racist pure pinoy views this, what right have to say that this pamankin of his and others like him are not pinoy? aber!
when in fact one good trait of being pinoy is marunong tumingin sa pinanggalingan.and isn't that what the fil-fors are doing?
tama yung isang poster dito, dapat mag assign si palami ng pr na palaging kasama ng players during interviews.
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Post by opn on Jul 10, 2011 22:57:04 GMT 8
Matanong ko nga lang, meron ba talagang "pure" Pinoy? If we were to base our answer on bloodlines; then heck, we might as well all be Africans. Diyan naman nagsimula ang lahat, diba? It's not as if people just materialised on these islands. If we were to base our answer on cultural background; then we have to consider that many traditions that we call our own have actually come from different parts of the world: Spain, America, India, China, etc. Even the katutubo traditions had to have come from elsewhere since our ethnic tribes are descendants of ancient migrants. If we were to base our answer on present political conventions; then we'll have to refer to our Constitution, which defines who is/can be a citizen of the Philippines. What we do not see in the Constitution is a differentiation between what we might consider as "types of citizens". Simply put, all citizens of the Republic are equal— regardless of how each individual acquired his or her Philippine citizenship. We're not like other countries or cultures that have something like a Caste System, where some citizens are "better" or have a higher standing than others. All this talk about being "tunay na Pilipino" or "purong-Pilipino" is bullcrap. It has no biological, cultural, nor political foundation; it's just an unfounded opinion that only has an "appeal to emotion" going for it. Chieffy's a good player who has great individual skill; and from what I've seen last Sunday, he can also be a team player. But for him to espouse this kind of thinking, whilst working with other guys who are equally Filipino; I think that perhaps, other guys are more suited to be team captain. But then, as cowscrubber said, "the only official responsibility a captain has is the pre-match coin toss." With globalization, migration and interracial marriages maybe none. Siguro among the Tasadays despite the stone age hoax. I hate it when the race card is raised. This kind of divisive sentiment goes against the very grain of the spirit of football. It's suppose to unite people, a nation not cause a rift.
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Post by narko on Jul 10, 2011 23:02:34 GMT 8
Posted by locotes on Today at 9:39pm
Chieffy: "kahit ako lang sa first eleven ang tunay na Pilipino....o may dugong Pinoy"....
baka naman po ang ibig niya sabihin ay kahit siya nalang ang homegrown sa first eleven. kasi knowing chieffy is from province (no offense sa mga taga province, im from province to) syempre hindi niya talaga dialect ang tagalog. maybe nagamit nya lang yung word na yun para masabi niya ang nasa isip niya. and maybe we just misinterpreted yung kanyang sinabi. we'll speculation lang naman yun (PEACE) That's very possible Lionel and that might even be the case. But the Azkals have a high profile now and getting more media exposure, they now have to learn quickly how to deal with the media. They now have to be careful with what they say, being taken out of context and misinterpreted is par for the course, it will happen. They must also now be more discerning of issues they talk about in public and learn to keep those that should remain inside the locker room to themselves. Things are different now. Maybe before when they were not as popular as they are today the media they had to deal with were those who covered and knew about football. In a way, maybe they felt they were kind of safe because the media people they were dealing with understood what was going on and what the team was trying to achieve. Now you have media who don't know squat about football interviewing them and they have to be much more careful now. One other thing, okay lang tayo dito because we get to discuss, clarify and argue the issue here but at the end of the day we will all be cheering for the Azkals and supporting them on the next match date. But for those people outside this circle, the opinion they will develop will just be based purely on what they read or heard.
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Post by opn on Jul 10, 2011 23:16:41 GMT 8
I think Sir Dan and his team should do damage control before this issue gets out of hand. Have Chieffy or the team issue an official statement that that there was no malice in Chieffy's choice of words and it was just a case of him not being adept at expressing himself and that his words were taken out of context and issue a gag order for all its members unless authorized to speak to the media.
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Post by cjeagle on Jul 10, 2011 23:28:28 GMT 8
Well I have refrained from joining discussions that have no relevance to football. I am disgusted by all the mudslinging that has been going on recently on this boards. I suggest that everybody take a step back, take a deep breath and concentrate on the more important issues, the Azkals and our favourite sport football and not give in to the Filipino's inherent appetite for scandal. As for Chieffy, I only have one piece of advise. As a captain, one of your responsibilities is to not say things that will divide the team. If there are issues that need to be addressed, it needs to remain within the team and it is your responsiblity to keep peace within the team without favoring one group over the other. Most of all, do not air your dirty laundry in public. You are athletes, not politicians. Doing so only makes you lose the respect of your teammates and any authority you hold over them will be undermined.
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Post by cowscrubber on Jul 10, 2011 23:33:36 GMT 8
I think Sir Dan and his team should do damage control before this issue gets out of hand. Have Chieffy or the team issue an official statement that that there was no malice in Chieffy's choice of words and it was just a case of him not being adept at expressing himself and that his words were taken out of context and issue a gag order for all its members unless authorized to speak to the media. It seems to me that the anti-fil-foreigner sentiment is already present. Wouldn't issuing official statements or gag orders aggravate the situation? I mean, wouldn't it be better to let it go, and allow the people to (hopefully) attribute Caligdong's statement to miscommunication, or lack of media experience? If some media groups are already trying to fuel the anti-half pinoy hatred, why help them finish the job?
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Post by tophercap on Jul 10, 2011 23:39:43 GMT 8
Chieffy: "kahit ako lang sa first eleven ang tunay na Pilipino....o may dugong Pinoy".... ****** ****, totoo bang sinabi niya yan?! what a ******* ***** (Post edited by moderator due to profanity and breaking forum rule #1. Please keep the forum rules in mind before posting!) sana wag sa kanya ibigay ang pagkacaptain, o kung binigay na sa kanya, bawiin. rob gier would be a much, much better choice as captain than him.
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Post by wenden96 on Jul 10, 2011 23:46:03 GMT 8
And about our objective, having all locals in the starting 11 is not going help us in our world cup goal. The locals are not properly trained and does not have the needed skills and talent to win games. They cant even beat Cambodia and nearly loat to East Timor back 2004! You want that tem to represent us? Yeah Chris Greatwich and Aly Borromeo were playing but they were ill equipped to be a serious contender sa South East Asian region pa lang ha. Unlike now. Honestly, I dont think NCR will support such a team. Yes I agree about the objective of the team, that is why we need the help of foreign base players in which in create a good result but the fact is again what about our youth who lives here, what will be the solution??? yes there are share frustration and winning in regards to the team build in mid 2000's but dont blame the player they are no attention much from the government. what they need at that time is a good coach and a program how to develop the boys as what palami is emphasizing now......training of the team is still the key...... and eventhough NCR will not support those team but still they supported fully by the visayas and mindanao......just a question does the majority of NCR support the football as a game or a people who plays the game???as i said before when they are trying to rebuild the football last 2005 (eventhough it was under the supervision of martinez, and you knew how corrupt that era was), they are under the development stage. and for two years atleast they improve with that the same line-up. And please men, dont think if the support of NCR fans is there sport development will became great...thats the mentallity why we are still way behind in any sport.
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Post by wenden96 on Jul 10, 2011 23:48:48 GMT 8
Posted by locotes on Today at 9:39pm
Chieffy: "kahit ako lang sa first eleven ang tunay na Pilipino....o may dugong Pinoy"....
baka naman po ang ibig niya sabihin ay kahit siya nalang ang homegrown sa first eleven. kasi knowing chieffy is from province (no offense sa mga taga province, im from province to) syempre hindi niya talaga dialect ang tagalog. maybe nagamit nya lang yung word na yun para masabi niya ang nasa isip niya. and maybe we just misinterpreted yung kanyang sinabi. we'll speculation lang naman yun (PEACE) agree......
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Post by wenden96 on Jul 10, 2011 23:55:42 GMT 8
boobleheadand just to clarify nagulat din ako sa sinabi at sa caption regarding kay chieffy medyo napalayo na sya...meron naman lugar sa mga bagay na yan.....i think coach weiss will talked to chieffy regarding that matter. as what i agree with lionel....malamang iba lang gusto nyang sabihin....
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