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Post by akosiabab on Jun 8, 2011 16:55:13 GMT 8
^^^ Yup I agree. But there are also lots of counter examples. Best example is Thailand's current NT coach. But that is not the point. The point is DTLA's current position is not a determinant of Macca's coaching proficiency. DTLA have a more serious problem that could not be solved by replacing the manager. BTW, my Vietnamese friend did told me that DTLA is a dumb club ;D but take it with a grain of salt since he is a supporter of Hanoi T&T BTW yung nagsabi ng vietnamese nya totoo yun kasi narinig nya sa usapan waterboy kasi ng isang club sa vietnam
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Post by akosiabab on Jun 8, 2011 17:00:33 GMT 8
des bulpin is good coach. dan palami hired coach mcnemy on a short notice. lasi NT need coach as soon as posible to replace bulpin. short lng nga ang contract ni mcnemy. mcnemy before pa as coach ng NT defensive play na sya. bulpin is a offensive minded. he mentor peter crouch 6feet 7 inches for a scoring game. mataas kasi killer ang header nya
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Post by wenden96 on Jun 8, 2011 19:56:27 GMT 8
Wenden, PFF is letting Weiss handle the U23 team so we could look at this as an indication that there will be continuity there and integration between the two levels. This will ease the transition of the U23 players when they get picked to play with the Senior team. Hopefully, PFF's technical committee is in close consultations with Weiss and his staff so that training and development down the line (U19, U17, etc.) is tailored to benefit the national teams and ensure that young local and homegrown players have the necessary ability, technique and skills to play the Azkal way. it is good plan however it will be hard to weiss to handle both teams....and as what palami did in hiring a new coach to oversee the under 23 ...it is a good move......for me it is a good idea that there will be a coach for the lower age group and weiss will serve as a consultant. and as you hope and i also hope that there will be a close consultation for the lower years for future football program....
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Post by samhain13 on Jun 8, 2011 23:29:28 GMT 8
^^^ i have already heard this story before, in fact Mari Martinez also used this line against Macca. Remember that press conference about him replacing him and hire a Brazilian coach? But as it was, is only an insider rumor at PFF and was widely believed as the invention pro-Martinez anti-Palami camp. If this rumor had a semblance of truth, Palami could have easily fired Macca just like a houseboy if he wanted to since Palami is the one directly paying McMenemy's salary. But Palami did not bother to issue a statement to confirm or deny this. In fact, when his ass is fried when Weiss replaced Macca, he could have only confirmed the rumor and Macca would be discredited in a huff. Instead, he issued a veiled apology that Twitter beat him to it in breaking the news of Macca replacement. So, as it is, is only an unfounded and baseless rumor. As common fans of football, my friends and I would only see the results. Macca could be the worst coach the AzKals ever had and reaped the fruits of Bulpin's labor but results/performance speaks louder than all paper credentials and rumor mills combined. This Brazilian coach story is not entirely fiction. You can go to filipinofootball.blogspot.com's archives to look for the statement made by the Brazilian coach at the height of the issue. PFF had really been in contact with him but were negotiating other things, which fell-through because of his compensation requirements. Now regarding Palami issuing a statement about the McMenemy fiasco at the end of December. Sure, he could have told the world what had really been happening on the inside and as a result, completely destroyed McMenemy's reputation. But Dan Palami isn't like that at all. Even if it wasn't his intention to destroy reputations, telling (all of) us what needs to be told will inevitably lead to that and attract unnecessary attention to matters that won't help the Azkals anyway. Seriously, if you found stories in the papers that are similar to admin's post, how do you think that will help the Azkals or Philippine football in general? No way that is going to benefit anyone, except maybe the rumourmongers. I expected more from the admin of these boards than to espouse such nonsense. Clearly you don't know what coaching is about and perhaps this is why you're not willing to give credit where it is due. Expect the admin to not say what he said if he is unsure. And do not believe everything you see on TV. LOL!
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Post by xyz1000 on Jun 8, 2011 23:49:55 GMT 8
I expected more from the admin of these boards than to espouse such nonsense. Clearly you don't know what coaching is about and perhaps this is why you're not willing to give credit where it is due. Expect the admin to not say what he said if he is unsure. And do not believe everything you see on TV. LOL! If you're going to quote me, quote me in context. The nonsense I referred to was in the other poster thinking that it's no big deal to pick the first XI, just pick the best one and expect the results; that motivation from the coach is not necessary, flag and the Filipino people are enough motivation.
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Post by samhain13 on Jun 8, 2011 23:57:09 GMT 8
^ Do I care? I don't. -edit- But because I'm a nice guy: Motivation. Motivation. Was there. Where was this-and-that... And I still say, don't believe everything you see on TV; admin knows what he's saying.
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Post by ceburoo on Jun 9, 2011 9:12:32 GMT 8
I know the truth behind the reason for the SACKING. But if you are arguing against someone who obviously believes steadfastly in his info from the media and NOT the inner sanctum of the AZKALS management then you are on a hiding to nothing. Nothing, even the truth, will alter the thinking of a self confessed Macca die-hard who doesnt want to accept that the management made a decision that will in theory push the AZKALS and Philippine football forward. The way the AZKALS played was similar to a team trying to stave off relegation. Something that McMenemy knew plenty about. The defensive tactic is more about padding the CV of the coach for future employment. The defensive tactic at home is an absolute turn off to spectators and sponsors. Football is in the business of entertainment and the defensive tactic is definitely NOT entertainment. In the short term there was some results but when it came down to the crunch against Indonesia the AZKALS just made up the numbers as they never looked likely to win the game. They just looked likely to have a credible result. That's good for the coach's CV. There is more chance for the German module to work especially now with the addition of Erich Rutemoller as a consultant for the SEA Games team.
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Post by vimjonk on Jun 9, 2011 10:16:10 GMT 8
^^^ I've known you personally ceburoo so I won't question your statement/judgment. I've put your words higher above than all inside the PFF combined ;D you are one of the bastion of Cebu Football. As it is, I will hold my judgment until Weiss squad would face a powerhouse team. Remember, just one very ugly result would severely diminish the current level of popularity that Philippine football has.
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Post by ceburoo on Jun 9, 2011 11:39:03 GMT 8
vimjonk I just wonder why you are so vindictive against Michael? Is it because he was the one to take over from your idol McMenemy? Remember one very ugly result (as you put it) would only severely diminish the current level of popularity among the bandwaggon wannabees who really dont know too much about the ups and downs of following a national team. To follow the national team means you take the highs and lows of their performances but you never question YOUR loyalty to the National team. To follow the National team you have to know the limitations of the team at any given time. To follow the National team you have to have realistic expectations of the team. To follow the National team you have to be prepared for shock losses and shocking losses. To follow the National team you have to be prepared for shock wins and shocking wins. To follow the National team they have to be part of you. To follow the National team you have to put your faith in those who are administering the team and trust their decisions because they are the closest to the way the team is being run now and in the future. If you cannot accept the National team under those conditions then you cannot call yourself a true supporter of the National team. I have seen the controversy caused when people thought I was desecrating the flag when I wore it at the game in 2005. So the true supporters of the flag and country WILL follow the National team through the dark times whilst waiting for the light to shine through on the other side. I should know I have been waiting 30 years for these days to happen. All the disappointments we have witnessed over those years have steeled us to be vigilant and believe in the people who have turned the fortunes of Philippine football around in such a short time. We have survived through the dark periods we will prosper and enjoy the good times. The only thing we can do is believe. WE BELIEVE and you should to.
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 9, 2011 11:49:41 GMT 8
akosiabab and vimjonk: I've deleted a post each from the two of you which had no substance at all and was just aimed to bash at each other.
Debate is good and is generally what forums are for, but please, avoid below-the-belt insults.
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Post by batotoycamacho on Jun 9, 2011 12:39:38 GMT 8
I second the motion. Tumpak.
Anyhow, the team made some great improvements, especially on defensive side. There is more pressure applied in the opponents offensive flow. Before, Azkals are contented on looking at opponents to make mistakes on offense, then make them pay by our quick counter attack. Its a beauty to see that they are making strides. Setbacks on friendly matches, exhibition games are not considered to be barometer of a players/teams worth and capabilities. They are there to see what a players/teams waterloo. Moreover, It is not officially sanctioned by any governing football body that results would affect the teams record. It is like "See my strength and weaknesses" which can give idea to coaching staff on what area(s) a player/team should work on.
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Post by xyz1000 on Jun 11, 2011 11:29:16 GMT 8
I know the truth behind the reason for the SACKING. But if you are arguing against someone who obviously believes steadfastly in his info from the media and NOT the inner sanctum of the AZKALS management then you are on a hiding to nothing. Nothing, even the truth, will alter the thinking of a self confessed Macca die-hard who doesnt want to accept that the management made a decision that will in theory push the AZKALS and Philippine football forward. The way the AZKALS played was similar to a team trying to stave off relegation. Something that McMenemy knew plenty about. The defensive tactic is more about padding the CV of the coach for future employment. The defensive tactic at home is an absolute turn off to spectators and sponsors. Football is in the business of entertainment and the defensive tactic is definitely NOT entertainment. In the short term there was some results but when it came down to the crunch against Indonesia the AZKALS just made up the numbers as they never looked likely to win the game. They just looked likely to have a credible result. That's good for the coach's CV. There is more chance for the German module to work especially now with the addition of Erich Rutemoller as a consultant for the SEA Games team. Much of what you write here is just plain wrong, but let me back away from dissecting it for a moment. Lest you think I'm a Coach Mc diehard, far from it. If he wasn't delivering results and I was manager, I'd sack his ass so fast he would be back in the UK without his luggage (oh, wait....). Fact is, he delivered results, and results speak louder than words.If the Azkals played like a team trying to stave off relegation, that's because they were! We were the doormat of Southeast Asia! How much lower can you get? Maybe by losing to Mongolia (oh, wait...). And if it pads Coach Mc's CV, that's completely irrelevant! I perform the best I can at work so that I can "pad" my resume, if that's what you call it. I perform the best I can so that I can "pad" the evaluation forms with accomplishments! Am I supposed to perform the best I can so I can take a pay cut? And then about the defensive tactic... have you been bar hopping with the Vietnam coach? Let's not even go there. Ever since Coach W was hired I said I would reserve judgement until a few games. Well, it's been more than a few games and I don't like what I see. This is a team that has new, supposedly better, players that add more depth and options. Does it have the same defensive backline discipline as the Suzuki Cup team? Is it really better than the team Coach Mc was coaching?
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 11, 2011 11:45:09 GMT 8
I know the truth behind the reason for the SACKING. But if you are arguing against someone who obviously believes steadfastly in his info from the media and NOT the inner sanctum of the AZKALS management then you are on a hiding to nothing. Nothing, even the truth, will alter the thinking of a self confessed Macca die-hard who doesnt want to accept that the management made a decision that will in theory push the AZKALS and Philippine football forward. The way the AZKALS played was similar to a team trying to stave off relegation. Something that McMenemy knew plenty about. The defensive tactic is more about padding the CV of the coach for future employment. The defensive tactic at home is an absolute turn off to spectators and sponsors. Football is in the business of entertainment and the defensive tactic is definitely NOT entertainment. In the short term there was some results but when it came down to the crunch against Indonesia the AZKALS just made up the numbers as they never looked likely to win the game. They just looked likely to have a credible result. That's good for the coach's CV. There is more chance for the German module to work especially now with the addition of Erich Rutemoller as a consultant for the SEA Games team. Much of what you write here is just plain wrong, but let me back away from dissecting it for a moment. Lest you think I'm a Coach Mc diehard, far from it. If he wasn't delivering results and I was manager, I'd sack his ass so fast he would be back in the UK without his luggage (oh, wait....). Fact is, he delivered results, and results speak louder than words.If the Azkals played like a team trying to stave off relegation, that's because they were! We were the doormat of Southeast Asia! How much lower can you get? Maybe by losing to Mongolia (oh, wait...). And if it pads Coach Mc's CV, that's completely irrelevant! I perform the best I can at work so that I can "pad" my resume, if that's what you call it. I perform the best I can so that I can "pad" the evaluation forms with accomplishments! Am I supposed to perform the best I can so I can take a pay cut? And then about the defensive tactic... have you been bar hopping with the Vietnam coach? Let's not even go there. Ever since Coach W was hired I said I would reserve judgement until a few games. Well, it's been more than a few games and I don't like what I see. This is a team that has new, supposedly better, players that add more depth and options. Does it have the same defensive backline discipline as the Suzuki Cup team? Is it really better than the team Coach Mc was coaching?Not yet. But soon, the crops we planted will yield good harvest. Anyways, Coach Si's supporters can say anything they want. He's gone and his CV does not look too good with the way his team is performing in Vietnam. I rest my case. Oh, and you should know that senior Azkaleros are taking the side of Coach Weiss. Surely, there is some logic involved in that? Say all you want, Coach Weiss is here to stay based on what my PFF connections tell me. And at the end of the day, it is the management that decide who the coach is.
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Post by narko on Jun 11, 2011 12:41:06 GMT 8
Here's another way of looking at it also - Evolution. Which is a fancy word for saying time to step up to another level.
McMenemy's approach is a pragmatic one. He was working with what he's got and playing a system that would make the Azkals effective. Job done. Azkals gave a good account of themselves and got a lot of people's attention. We are now no longer SEA's doormat, we have stepped up to being a decent team and are now being taken a little bit more seriously.
So what next? Do we remain content to playing in a way that makes sure we don't regress (staving off relegation) or we take a risk and strive to take our game to the next level. Make the team more versatile, and more adept at taking on a higher level of playing and opponents.
I think this is what Mr. Palami and the PFF are hoping to do with Weiss, go to the next stage of the evolution of our football ability at the national level (and hopefully, at the youth and grassroots level too).
Understandably, as in any transition, there is a lot of adjustments to be made. We need to be patient with this. I am heartened to read that the German training camp is going to focus on chemistry, cohesiveness, COMPACTNESS and address some defensive issues. I would be worried if the management and training staff see nothing is wrong, but I feel that Coach Weiss and Mr. Palami know what they are doing.
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Post by samhain13 on Jun 12, 2011 22:45:42 GMT 8
The problem with sheeple is exactly that.
This whole "who's better" debate is based on the assumption that both McMenemy and Weiss, respectively, did and is doing his job as a coach. However first- and second-hand information tell us that the former is not true; that McMenemy did not do his job and that his local counterparts (in Bracamonte, Cabalida, and Piñero) did his job for him.
Thus, the subject of this debate should be: Bracamonte, Cabalida, and Piñero's vs Michael Weiß's record. Otherwise, this isn't going anywhere.
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