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Post by wenden96 on Jul 10, 2011 21:23:33 GMT 8
I didn't expect that from Chieffy...Very very disappointed! Such a poorly thought and racist statement. Now, I'm convinced he doesn't deserve to have that captain's armband. indeed it seems to change my views...kinda disappointed considering im trying to defend what he says during the jessica soho interview....but the latest seems different.
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Post by narko on Jul 10, 2011 21:24:55 GMT 8
Lets forget our world cup dream if its only gonna come to this. Or better yet... why doesnt Barotac Nuevo appeal to the UN to make them a country so they can form their own football team, play in their own qualifiers made up of 100% pure blooded no mix Barotacnon Natives. Lets see if they get past the PHILIPPINES! I really dont like Ilonggos. Most Ilonggo I know are full of it. Hey booblehead, I'm ilonggo and I take exception to your sweeping generalizations about us. I'm sure other ilonggos here will too. If you have issues with ilonggos, take it somewhere else. If you noticed I had a previous post where I consider Chieffy's use of the term "pure blood" as having strong racist connotations and explained why. I am inclined to think he didn't mean it that way and could actually been thinking about it in terms of local based as opposed to foreign based. However, that second instance pointed out in this thread from that Chino Trinidad interview is worrying. The coaching staff and management better address that issue right away. You will also note from my posts that I advocate the use of a geographical context in differentiating players, such as homegrown, local based or foreign-based. Like I said, let's be careful of how we use terms and label people. Let's keep discussions here civil and rational. We're all free to offer our opinions and clash over them but I think we can also avoid insulting or offending other people while doing so. So let's take a deep breath and relax.
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Post by fadzki on Jul 10, 2011 21:34:40 GMT 8
i'm glad the half-pinoys are being silent with this issue.kasi ayaw nila palakihin ang gulo. eh paano yan if napuno na ang mga yan and phil speaks to the media saying if some of the players think that we half pinoys don't deserve to be in the team then why don't they tell it straight to our face so we right here and now we'll leave this team and country for good.it seems they don't appreciate the fact that we have sacrificed so much to play for pilipinas.being away from our home family and loved ones.they ignored all those just because for them we just aren't pinoy. pag di na makagpigil mga yan, malaking gulo to. I think the fil-fors are silent because they know the real deal... maybe this is just all media hype to make something out of nothing... Media is joining the Azkals bandwagon in a bad way...
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Post by slayermoonlight on Jul 10, 2011 21:45:54 GMT 8
The equaliser, good point buddy! You hit the proverbial nail on the head! No why did Coch Weiss reprimand Araneta openly? Because he reprimands him all the time one on one but nothing seems to work he will do his selfish acts again and again. That is why he spilt it in front of the media. Couldnt hide his frustrations any longer. Did you know that Chieffy was reprimanded by Weiss after the first leg? That was why we saw a marked improvement in his game. He was passing the ball and not forcing the issue. Watch Caligdong in their tune up match in Germany against Ingolstadt, theres a video of it in youtube. Watch how easily he gets disposessed after challenging two players head on! Watch how long it takes him to get back nto position after a botched attempt leaving the next man behind him fully exosed thanks to Captain Chieffy. The real discussion is the 2nd Leg match. Weiss' is suggesting that we should have scored 7-8 goals for that match. Again, he is clearly referring to the 2nd Leg match held in Rizal Memorial Stadium. Everything else are just personal speculation
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Post by bluefeather80 on Jul 10, 2011 21:46:13 GMT 8
All the success has gotten the best of him... someone should tell chieffy if it wasn't for the Fil-fors our football would still be whipping boys of SEA... thanks for foreign base fil, but the question still looms do we really need to use this program? or do we need to improve the training, youth development and NT selection? ...this is what I understand to what caligdong sentiments...and some of it maybe an ego that he can score amidst of talented foreign base fil. let me ask you two questions, one when dati pinupulot sa kangkungan ang pinas futbol then when the management added the foreign based pinoys and the team improved that means it produced good results that shows what you're doing is right. now the 1st question is would you change something that proves to be a good formula? second, teen azkals basing from what i saw on tv consisted mostly of local pinoys.just look at the current result 2-1 they were beaten by cambodia LANG. now if they can't beat cambodia LANG how much more singapore whom the teen azkals are currently playing against now. singapore is leading 2-0. these guys are the future of pinas futbol. now my second question is can talents be produced overnight? the right answer to both is no. i'll explain more on the second question because the first question and the answer itself is self-explainable. you don't produce talents overnight. it is a long process that takes years. as much as we want the futbol to have a complete or majority local based players, let's be realistic na matagal-tagal pang mangyayari yan.the sign that that time is near is pag makita na kahit saang sulok ng pilipinas ay may futsal man lang tulad sa basketball na may courts kahit saan. now if we want to fast track wanting to have more local players in the nt is not through grassroots program. i'm not saying eliminate grassroots program as that should stay kasi importante yan tuloy2x ang future ng kahit anong sports. i'm only saying of one way how to hasten inclusion of many local players in our nt. with the lack of good competition here means your skills stagnate. you don't improve when you play against players you can beat. to improve the skills of the local players they must be sent to other countries to train against very good players and learn through their system which has made them very good in the first place.
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Post by fadzki on Jul 10, 2011 21:57:02 GMT 8
thanks for foreign base fil, but the question still looms do we really need to use this program? or do we need to improve the training, youth development and NT selection? ...this is what I understand to what caligdong sentiments...and some of it maybe an ego that he can score amidst of talented foreign base fil. let me ask you two questions, one when dati pinupulot sa kangkungan ang pinas futbol then when the management added the foreign based pinoys and the team improved that means it produced good results that shows what you're doing is right. now the 1st question is would you change something that proves to be a good formula? second, teen azkals basing from what i saw on tv consisted mostly of local pinoys.just look at the current result 2-1 they were beaten by cambodia LANG. now if they can't beat cambodia LANG how much more singapore whom the teen azkals are currently playing against now. singapore is leading 2-0.these guys are the future of pinas futbol. now my second question is can talents be produced overnight? the right answer to both is no. i'll explain more on the second question because the first question and the answer itself is self-explainable. you don't produce talents overnight. it is a long process that takes years. as much as we want the futbol to have a complete or majority local based players, let's be realistic na matagal-tagal pang mangyayari yan.the sign that that time is near is pag makita na kahit saang sulok ng pilipinas ay may futsal man lang tulad sa basketball na may courts kahit saan. now if we want to fast track wanting to have more local players in the nt is not through grassroots program. i'm not saying eliminate grassroots program as that should stay kasi importante yan tuloy2x ang future ng kahit anong sports. i'm only saying of one way how to hasten inclusion of many local players in our nt. with the lack of good competition here means your skills stagnate. you don't improve when you play against players you can beat. to improve the skills of the local players they must be sent to other countries to train against very good players and learn through their system which has made them very good in the first place. The full-time score is SinU16 5 - 0 PhiU16
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Post by bluefeather80 on Jul 10, 2011 21:57:21 GMT 8
i'm glad the half-pinoys are being silent with this issue.kasi ayaw nila palakihin ang gulo. eh paano yan if napuno na ang mga yan and phil speaks to the media saying if some of the players think that we half pinoys don't deserve to be in the team then why don't they tell it straight to our face so we right here and now we'll leave this team and country for good.it seems they don't appreciate the fact that we have sacrificed so much to play for pilipinas.being away from our home family and loved ones.they ignored all those just because for them we just aren't pinoy. pag di na makagpigil mga yan, malaking gulo to. I think the fil-fors are silent because they know the real deal... maybe this is just all media hype to make something out of nothing... Media is joining the Azkals bandwagon in a bad way... if the media is hyping but done in bad taste then why not interview the fil-foreigners by asking them what they think of chippy clearly implying they are not worthy to be in the nt because to him they are not pure pinoys.
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Post by slayermoonlight on Jul 10, 2011 22:10:56 GMT 8
Ok so I think at this point everybody agrees that Weiss is not referring to Chieffy as the selfish player since the discussion has now shifted to Chieffy's irresponsible statement. To merge with my post on the other thread "Cheiffy as captain" www.usapangfootball.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=741&page=1 Ok with regards to Chieffy's interview with Jessica Soho, yeah in fairness to Media, the media seemed to sensationalize/make a big deal out of it since Chieffy's remarks will kinda get media's attention. Should he have given simple, unassuming, yet correct statements then I think Jessica wouldn't have digged in for more "juicy scoops" out of him.
You cannot blame Chieffy nor any player on the other hand. You cannot blame him for spilling out something unnecessary. In my opinion, this media ruckus would have never occured if the Azkal management had a PR officer. Someone who's savvy enough to speak in front of the media in behalf of the team. Someone wiho will "coach" the coaches and players in how to answer issues in front of the media in a tactical manner.
That's why corporations, famous celebrities, even government departments hire good PR officers. They're paid for their communication skills and evade media traps But on the same time they make sure the media, in return, can get the scoop they want without the need of disclosing everything his Client wishes not to get publicized.
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Post by al luz812 on Jul 10, 2011 22:20:39 GMT 8
Lets forget our world cup dream if its only gonna come to this. Or better yet... why doesnt Barotac Nuevo appeal to the UN to make them a country so they can form their own football team, play in their own qualifiers made up of 100% pure blooded no mix Barotacnon Natives. Lets see if they get past the PHILIPPINES! I really dont like Ilonggos. Most Ilonggo I know are full of it. I AM VERY MUCH OFFENDED WITH THIS POST......dumb,irresponsible generalisation.......stupid,stupid,stupid!!!!
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Post by booblehead on Jul 10, 2011 22:33:22 GMT 8
Ok guys forgive my outburst.
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Post by al luz812 on Jul 10, 2011 22:39:19 GMT 8
forgiven....... the football keeps rolling....
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Post by wenden96 on Jul 11, 2011 0:17:17 GMT 8
thanks for foreign base fil, but the question still looms do we really need to use this program? or do we need to improve the training, youth development and NT selection? ...this is what I understand to what caligdong sentiments...and some of it maybe an ego that he can score amidst of talented foreign base fil. let me ask you two questions, one when dati pinupulot sa kangkungan ang pinas futbol then when the management added the foreign based pinoys and the team improved that means it produced good results that shows what you're doing is right. now the 1st question is would you change something that proves to be a good formula? second, teen azkals basing from what i saw on tv consisted mostly of local pinoys.just look at the current result 2-1 they were beaten by cambodia LANG. now if they can't beat cambodia LANG how much more singapore whom the teen azkals are currently playing against now. singapore is leading 2-0. these guys are the future of pinas futbol. now my second question is can talents be produced overnight? the right answer to both is no. i'll explain more on the second question because the first question and the answer itself is self-explainable. you don't produce talents overnight. it is a long process that takes years. as much as we want the futbol to have a complete or majority local based players, let's be realistic na matagal-tagal pang mangyayari yan.the sign that that time is near is pag makita na kahit saang sulok ng pilipinas ay may futsal man lang tulad sa basketball na may courts kahit saan. now if we want to fast track wanting to have more local players in the nt is not through grassroots program. i'm not saying eliminate grassroots program as that should stay kasi importante yan tuloy2x ang future ng kahit anong sports. i'm only saying of one way how to hasten inclusion of many local players in our nt. with the lack of good competition here means your skills stagnate. you don't improve when you play against players you can beat. to improve the skills of the local players they must be sent to other countries to train against very good players and learn through their system which has made them very good in the first place. for your first question then i think you need to research further....91 NT as an example....for the rest sports development a continous tactical wise development.......that the phil team that dont have, a long term program a continous manner even the head of government changes and the head of PFF. Thanks that palami is generous enough to pursue this development program. for your second question....the same, training a long term development program.....and do you think that selection is honest to goodness...read the comments filipinofootball.blogspot.com/2011/07/aff-u16-tola-guides-cambodia-over.htmlnote: needed confirmation philippines loves to have an easy result instead of investing a long term development project.....i would like to state some sample (though its not football) the NCC basketball team the program produces a lot talented players however with the change of government all has gone.....the 91 football team is the result also of the bagong lipunan youth sport project. again im not against with the foreign base players they help a lot for the reintroduction of football in the phl and NCR have the idea and getting to love football,what im emphasizing is, what will the PFF will do to improve the locals? in regards to your last stanza, then create group B team and send them to foreign competition as a training ground.
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Post by beho on Jul 11, 2011 4:26:41 GMT 8
feeling kasi yang chippy. nagpapa unique kasi siya lang nakasaludo pag natl anthem. pansinin niyo me oh oh eto ha nakasalute me oh oh. hehe ;Dagree!!! napansin ko rin yon ;D
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Post by beho on Jul 11, 2011 4:39:07 GMT 8
;Dkung wala ang mga fil-fors ,definitely , nasa kangkungan pa rin ang mga azkals.....it's a good thinhhg na naalis na ang palakasan system sa pagkuha ng mga players kundi pagalingan na, which is yun naman ang dapat. ke fil-fors or pure pinoy basta qualified sila sa mga requirements para maging nt player at pagalingan ang mangyayari then the quality of football in the phils. has nowhere to go but up.....mga local players would strive harder to be a better football player they would be push to the limit na mapakita nilang kaya nilang sumabay sa mga fil-fors.... so yon pagalingan system at hindi na tulad ng dating palakasan system ang pagkuha ng mga players ng pff ang kelangan natin, period!!! ;D
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Post by cowscrubber on Jul 11, 2011 5:15:50 GMT 8
I haven't seen the U16 matches but for the u16 team, I think the football skill is there without a doubt.
I speculate that their skills probably were too raw and they probably played "run-and-gun" football. It's another one of those things that can be remedied by having local leagues...
And I've said this before, but I think that the ballhogs in the first team were brought up in this system and were suddenly made to adapt to a "real" system of play. You can't expect them to change their mindset in a span of a few weeks.
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