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Post by jandrew87 on Dec 31, 2011 1:40:01 GMT 8
A must read! How FC Barcelona became the FC Barcelona of today. www.goal.com/en/news/3846/barcelo....ssi-xavi-andres"Make no mistake, the world is still watching the fruition of seeds planted in 1988. When Cruyff returned as coach he disagreed, fundamentally, with the way in which the Barcelona youth system was run. He insisted that it was nonsensical that all the age-category teams were being trained in a playing system which was particular to their specific coach. There was no FC Barcelona credo. What was then 13 youth levels under the first team could mean 13 different playing styles and kids having to re-learn every year. Cruyff told his employers that a) every youth level must be trained based on the same concepts and in the same 3-4-3 formation, b) the top kids needed to be pushed out of their comfort zone and played at an age group one, or even two years ahead, and c) that those 'perlas de la cantera', the jewels of the youth system, needed accelerated promotion into the first team." |
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Post by jandrew87 on Dec 31, 2011 1:43:10 GMT 8
I feel this is something that the Philippines should emulate. Therefore, with every level, they are in unison with the rest of the country and can move on to the next level with ease. With such uniformity in every level, from youth team to first team, we would have players that know what to do at a very young age. I sure hope the PFF would implement this within our grassroots program. It's also the same thing that Germany is doing.
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Post by buddha on Dec 31, 2011 10:19:25 GMT 8
Something we should strive for. My question is: If it has taken Barcelona 20+ years to impose their style throughout their system then we've got to be very patient, eh?  If we start this year (2012), which I strongly doubt we can, I'll be around 60 when I see the Azkals make a run in the World Cup quarterfinals with players developed locally. While this is good and something we should strive for, we have to remember that prior to 1988 Barcelona has already had an established youth academy. So the 20+ years it has taken Barcelona to develop a distinct style might take us twice as long. Forty years in the making, anyone? I'll be 100 years old but then again, who would have thought we'd see the revival of football in our lifetime? Are there shortcuts? Apparently not but I think the best example that we should emulate would be Japan and Korea. It's amazing that Japan and Korea are now regulars at the World Cup. Can somebody help me out in figuring why? (I have a faint idea that it has to do with the funding of the J-League, the football schools, and local high school teams. But...) |
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Post by veryfatchocobo on Jan 25, 2012 18:32:35 GMT 8
In my opinion, due to our stature and connections, we have no choice but to follow the Barcelona style. We have a direct connection to their philosophy thanks to Paulino Alcantara. IMO, the PFF has to take advantage of this fact and get them to help us. However, the PFF seems to be more focused on Real Madrid, which IMO, due to the Paulino Alcantara factor, we should not strive to be. Plus, their football is too imperfect at the moment: hustled, unorganized passing, and way too much running, even with the "all-powerful" Mourinho. Not even he can stop superb football.
About the development of Japan, although they've had a strong grassroots program for decades, it's only been around 2 years since the Japanese national teams -- women and men -- have started to play like Barcelona. They used to get obliterated by Korea's English approach to the game, but since their paradigm shift to possession style football, they have been dominating every team they've come across, including Korea. I expect this pattern to play out into the WC in Brazil, where I believe they'll be placed at least in the QFs if not the SFs. Expect Japan to not only dominate the midfield in the coming years, watch them become one of the top 10 teams in the world. As long as they stick to the Barcelona philosophy like the current Spain team, there's really no stopping them, as they are already better than most European countries.
Korea has been going the English route because their best players have been playing in England: Park Ji-Sung and Lee Chung-Yong. Also, the previous coaches have been playing their best midfielder, Ki Sung-Yueng, way out of position, which forces them to play direct. I don't know much about their current manager, but I hope he starts what Zaccheroni gave Japan: the Barcelona philosophy. Despite that, they've beaten Greece, previous Euro champions, in South Africa. It should still tell you about their quality despite now recently losing badly to Japan's philosophy.
The reason why Korea and Japan have been doing so well in getting to the WC is because they have a set philosophy and vision for their football. If the Philippines do not have a philosophy, they won't go anywhere. This is a problem with Indonesia and Thailand right now. Indonesia's super corruption especially, despite their years in the sport, have left themselves in a rut because of no set philosophy. And nothing's more perfect for the Philippines than the current Barcelona philosophy. My opinion, Weiss will not give us that Barcelona philosophy. However, he is a good start at starting our grassroots. But we really need people in the PFF that directly connect with Barcelona to really play well. England has no set philosophy, and what's happening to them right now? Exactly.
Regarding height, the average height of Barcelona is 177 cm, way shorter than any team in the world. The Philippines team on average is probably taller than they are, thanks to our European imports. Despite their presence, IMO, our best player is Caligdong by a fair margin. He has the typical Barcelona short stature. His first touch is way better than anyone on the team; better than the Younghusbands, Guirado, and the other European imports. His brain acts fastest on the pitch, which is why he always does something on the ball, with the exception being Schrock. He's wasted staying as a pure winger and needs inside runs like Messi when he was playing on the right wing. In fact, we should be marketing Caligdong as our star and not the Younghusbands IMO. We have to make players in the style of Caligdong, and other Barcelona-esque players.
We should address the pitch issue right now. We are a tropical country, and we are able to grow the best pitch possible with minimum maintenance relative to Europe. I heard we are trying to get artificial turf for Jose Rizal, but that should be a big no-no. We need real grass, with real soil.
Also, something to note is that the Philippines' best talents come from the Visayas and not the Tagalog region. The UFL or superleague equivalent needs to expand to the Negros and Ilonggo especially. Otherwise, Filipino football will not thrive.
And yes, Barcelona has always had this attacking philosophy. However, it's most perfected under Guardiola. Cruyff's team can never touch the current team. Even if Barcelona had a strong grassroots for many years, it really wasn't even until Laporta in the early 2000s that the team hyper-emphasized brooding their youth into world cup champions. Rijkaard's team was very good although not better than Cruyff's, but in the span of 1 month, Guardiola turned a team previously of anarchy and samba into a free-flowing, smart, systematic, and highly tactical team. So yeah, managers are in fact important to how a team plays. As an example, Cruyff's 3-4-3, and Rijkaard's standard diamond 4-3-3 gave Barcelona 55-63% average possession, but with Guardiola, his dynamic formations have given Barcelona an average possession of 75%. Keep in mind that this happened almost instantly from Rijkaard to Guardiola.
So yeah, what I'm saying is that the Philippines will be able to adopt the Barcelona philosophy. Our physical attributes are perfect for the style, like Japan. Based on Japan and Guardiola, I believe it can take the Philippines way shorter than 20 years to play like Barcelona. They just need to connect with them first through Paulino Alcantara's status at the club. And yes, less Real Madrid connection. Also note that UFL clubs and superleague equivalents, mostly have to abide by the philosophy, too, just as Spain has been doing the same with all their teams (see Zonal Marking for the general play of Spanish teams in general).
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Post by bopolschocobo on Jan 26, 2012 1:44:02 GMT 8
are you high?! are you on drugs?! i mean seriously?! di nga?!
;D ;D ;D
his first touch is better than the younghusbands? haven't you seen guirado stop the ball as if it were magnetized to his feet nung di pa siya na-iinjured? have you seen mulders stop a HIGH BALL with just one touch and the ball stopped right and dead on his feet?have you seen the SUPPOSED NEWBIE MEMBER Beloya's sublime 4 touches to goal sa sea games? ang dami pa niyan galing sa ibang players na di mo nakikita kasi puro chippy lang laman ng utak mo.
runs like MESSI?okay sige yung takbo lang ha? ;D ;D ;D
it's not his brain that acts fastest, it's his feet that acts the fastest.
:rotflmao:
ano ba style ni Caligdong? it's not barcelona style BUT TYPICAL OBSOLETE style of RUN AND GUN SYSTEM AKA ballhog SYSTEM na hanggang ngayon ay ginagamit pa rin sa piyesta ng barangay mapa barotac nuevo man o kung saang lugar sa pilipinas. ;D ;D ;D
kaya totoy enough with the obsessive nuthugging because di ka na nakakapag-isip ng maayos.
bilib nga kami kay chippy dahil sa local players siya lang naka BREAK THROUGH THE BARRIERS OF INSECURITY AND INFERIORITY COMPLEX SA MGA HALF-PINOYS EH BECAUSE INSTEAD OF WASTING HIS TIME COMPLAINING OF THE HALF-PINOYS BEING HERE LIKE WHAT THE OTHER LOCAL PLAYERS ARE DOING, HE SPENT IT ON IMPROVING HIS GAME.
Tapos sisirain mo pagkabilib namin sa kanya dahil dyan sa obsessive nuthugging mo!!!
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Post by bopolschocobo on Jan 26, 2012 2:00:27 GMT 8
kung makapag promote to, daig pa ang promoter/manager ni GINO PAVONE na obvious na obvious na si GINO PAVONE lang naman yun.
scouted na by TOP TEAMS HA?! tapos ayun ang kumuhang team eh consisted of those that looked like TAMBAYS,BASAGULERO,LASENGGERO!
lololololol lmao rofl
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Post by GerardoDCA on Jan 26, 2012 2:06:33 GMT 8
bopolschocoboYour first sentence proves that you are very childish and incapable of giving someone decent contra statements. Veryfatchocobo made some good points, don't just go attacking him with misplaced sentences and smileys in a mocking way. Either give him some good statements that can prove that he is not right, or don't reply to this thread. You can do these things in a calm way. And about the "it's not his brain that acts fastest, it's his feet that acts the fastest" don't forget, you always think before you act with your feet, and thinking is done by the BRAIN. For God's sake this is you first post here, you have been warned.
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Post by stellarboy on Jan 26, 2012 5:10:03 GMT 8
bopolschocobo: If you only didn't blurt out that first and last sentences it would have been fine with me. Yes, I have seen the likes of the Younghusbands, Guirado, Mulders and Beloya having more fluid touches that Caligdong. But citing veryfatchocobo's statements, he wants to assert that he likens Caligdong's performance to someone at Barca. Not really identical, but getting close to this style, which he asserts that this one could be more effective for the team to be at par with Japan and Korea. But he clearly did not make himself a nuthugger for Caligdong. Also you said that his feet worked faster than his brain. As Gerardo has said, you always think before you act. And you may say you support his stand that he broke his insecurities towards the so-called half-Pinoys by improving his play, then saying veryfatchocobo nuthugs him? How irrational. We have left Gino Pavone's issue in the dust already, unless he does something decent in due time. Sa pananalita mo lang naman, kitang-kita ko na kung sino ka. I have banned this user, and if ever this one tries to register again, it will need our approval as part of the staff.
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Post by jandrew87 on Jan 26, 2012 5:40:09 GMT 8
i for one would love to see caligdong play as CAM.
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Post by jandrew87 on Jan 26, 2012 6:21:25 GMT 8
The reason why Korea and Japan have been doing so well in getting to the WC is because they have a set philosophy and vision for their football. If the Philippines do not have a philosophy, they won't go anywhere. This is a problem with Indonesia and Thailand right now. Indonesia's super corruption especially, despite their years in the sport, have left themselves in a rut because of no set philosophy. And nothing's more perfect for the Philippines than the current Barcelona philosophy. My opinion, Weiss will not give us that Barcelona philosophy. However, he is a good start at starting our grassroots. But we really need people in the PFF that directly connect with Barcelona to really play well. England has no set philosophy, and what's happening to them right now? Exactly. This is what held back Spain for so many years until they finally invested in the Tiki Taka Style. They did not win anything internationally until Euro 2008 and then World Cup 2010. I wouldn't be surprised if they win Euro 2012 and World Cup 2014. So yes, I agree, that's the main thing that plagues ASEAN football teams. They don't have a style of their own. However, I do believe that eventually, the Philippines will start developing an effective and efficient style. Why? take a look at our basketball teams, even with our lack of height, we can finish top 8 in Asia. We have incredibly ingenuity and a good feel for the game. As we mature in football, we will find our feet (pun intended). |
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Post by narko on Jan 26, 2012 8:06:59 GMT 8
Just my opinion, but I see Chieffy's style of play as more akin to Di Maria. Fast and incisive, from out wide to help carve out opening or create one for himself. It is suited to a counter-attacking game, which would be the case for our team for a while when they face quality opposition, as it will take a lot of time to elevate our quality of play to levels such as that of Japan and Korea.
I prefer Chieffy being played as an inverted winger playing on the right but with license to cut inside and/or to switch flanks as circumstances dictate as opposed to playing centrally. We have several players, if available, who can play the CAM role well so it is my opinion that Chieffy will continue to provide a good wide option for the offensive transitions or rapid counterattacks, who also has the ability to cut inside towards the center when he gets the chance.
And yes, I agree that the same football philosophy should be adopted at every level. But this will take a massive effort and a lot of time. Barcelona style, tiki-taka - call it what you want, but I think the key basic elements in our philosophy should be technical ability, possession, ground balls, vision. Build on those elements very early and take it from there as the kids start getting older.
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Post by veryfatchocobo on Jan 26, 2012 8:30:09 GMT 8
bopolschocobo: If you only didn't blurt out that first and last sentences it would have been fine with me. Yes, I have seen the likes of the Younghusbands, Guirado, Mulders and Beloya having more fluid touches that Caligdong. But citing veryfatchocobo's statements, he wants to assert that he likens Caligdong's performance to someone at Barca. Not really identical, but getting close to this style, which he asserts that this one could be more effective for the team to be at par with Japan and Korea. But he clearly did not make himself a nuthugger for Caligdong. Also you said that his feet worked faster than his brain. As Gerardo has said, you always think before you act. And you may say you support his stand that he broke his insecurities towards the so-called half-Pinoys by improving his play, then saying veryfatchocobo nuthugs him? How irrational. We have left Gino Pavone's issue in the dust already, unless he does something decent in due time. Sa pananalita mo lang naman, kitang-kita ko na kung sino ka. I have banned this user, and if ever this one tries to register again, it will need our approval as part of the staff. LOL you don't have to ban him. But yeah. dat crab mentality El Clasico cites another example of good touch and brains bring you good football. Granero and Oezil are Madrid's fastest thinking players with the best touch (Ronaldo's touch is a little different to theirs). Once Granero went on, Madrid's midfield absolutely obliterated Barcelona's. Xavi lost his ability to use the ball because he never got it. I don't know what Mourinho is thinking, but playing DMs over his ballplayers is stupid, especially considering that Casillas, the man that breathes white, is totally against Mourinho's tactics. |
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Post by Wiking on Jan 26, 2012 9:39:38 GMT 8
LOL you don't have to ban him. But yeah. dat crab mentality stellar is right, if you think this was the end of it, its not. We've seen this kind of behavior before, it doesn't stop. |
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