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Post by benzgm on Jun 6, 2012 12:23:31 GMT 8
Hard to resist not posting, as I am still trying to convince myself to look at the positives, i.e.extended and more significant exposure to several players like Marwin and Misagh.
However, I just can't take off the disappointment of our loss, in a match where we could win, or more appropriately should have won. 3 points that I want to raise.
1. We need to strengthen the back line - in Indonesia's 2 goals, our defense was exploited! 2. We need to improve on our finishing, without the younghusband brothers, we lacked creativity. better judgement from the boys perhaps? 3. I still can't understand coach weiss! while his, and the team's performance during the challenge cup was admirable, this game brings a lot of things into question.
and by the way, Neil seems to lack aggressiveness during the game, especially during that 1st Indonesian goal. I feel for him though!
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Post by benzgm on Jun 6, 2012 12:32:32 GMT 8
Bob Guerrero's account on the bench clearing: Then came an incident, common in football, where testosterone overrides intelligence. The Philippines was awarded a free kick, but Bachdim was holding on to the ball and not letting go. Caligdong tapped him on the arm in an effort to get it. The Indonesian-Dutchman took exception and shoved him, resulting in a bench-clearing fracas. The most incongruous detail of this contretemps was Coach Hans Weiss, with a flourescent bib dangling from his neck, trying to separate the combatants from his account of the games. ph.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/thepassionatefan/philippines-2-indonesia-2-wet-wild-014444522.html
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Post by jpesarza on Jun 6, 2012 12:41:43 GMT 8
Bob Guerrero's account on the bench clearing: Then came an incident, common in football, where testosterone overrides intelligence. The Philippines was awarded a free kick, but Bachdim was holding on to the ball and not letting go. Caligdong tapped him on the arm in an effort to get it. The Indonesian-Dutchman took exception and shoved him, resulting in a bench-clearing fracas. The most incongruous detail of this contretemps was Coach Hans Weiss, with a flourescent bib dangling from his neck, trying to separate the combatants from his account of the games. ph.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/thepassionatefan/philippines-2-indonesia-2-wet-wild-014444522.htmlBachdim started it all! Replay showed azkals were trying to take a "quick play" after the whistle But Irfan and his ass just won't give the ball. And No Weiss is not subbing someone out with that bib. ;D
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Post by narko on Jun 6, 2012 13:06:25 GMT 8
There are pros and cons to Chieffy's role and performance in the last 2 matches. Though I think he had a better performance and was more productive against Indonesia than against Malaysia. I guess it's the high expectations and we must remember he is coming back from a long injury so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. I felt he was returned to action quite soon with Air Force in the UFL (where he suffered a minor injury in one of those matches that caused him to sit out one or two more UFL matches) and this may have hampered his recovery a bit.
My only question is how come the coaching staff hasn't tried experimenting with having Chieffy switch flanks from time to time, especially if Angel Guirado is on the opposite wing? Like Angel, Chieffy will drive down to the byline to cross or cut-back but they both also are quite capable of cutting inside towards the penalty area. Chieffy can hit well with both feet, but we know his favored foot is his left. Why don't they play him as an inverted winger within the match from time to time ? In last night's match Chieffy cut inside to the center from the left wing and took a shot with his right, if he was playing as an inverted winger he would have been on his strong foot.
I understand that if James YH is on the right it would be hard to switch flanks, as JYH would probably not do so well or wouldn't be too comfortable playing on the left. But if its a Chieffy-Angel combination on the wings, I think both players can switch flanks from time to time (I think these 2 players are comfortable on either wing) during the match to mix things up a bit the way CRonaldo and Di Maria would do for Real Madrid.
As for Ian Araneta, it appears that Coach Weiss is settling on a lone striker system (4-2-3-1?). Given the weaknesses and areas of improvement for the team, I think settling down into a consistent system will facilitate cohesion and integration. Perhaps they could use 2 strikers against clearly inferior teams, but for competitive matches it is more likely that Weiss will go with a lone striker. Is Ian suited for the role? Even if he is, I would rather look forward and give that chance to someone younger like Clarino, Beloya, Doctora, etc (obviously the top 2 choices for the spot at the moment are PYH and Wolf) who are young enough to adapt their playing style and have time (in terms of effective playing years) to grow into the system (IF given the opportunity).
For the midfield, at least the Ott and Angeles combination look promising as long term prospects. It was good to see them start the match, it looked to me that was a peek into the future. As Rick Olivarez' in his blog pointed out, those 2 didn't do quite well in terms of influencing the match and creating opportunities, but I'm sure those 2 greatly benefited from the experience and exposure. It may not have served us well last night but that will serve us well in the years to come. As to the comment that our midfielders seemed out of creative ideas with the ball, I guess that only shows how little experience our team has had wherein we dominate ball possession like last night. I guess the team has been so used to seeing so little of ball possession in the past that this is new ground for them. It's something that needs to be worked on but it is at least a manifestation of the improvement in the level of competitiveness of our team.
Our defensive line is aging and somewhat slow, and we have shown a particular weakness against pacy opponents. This isn't a problem if we're playing deep against a dominating opponent denying them space behind the defensive line to exploit at speed, but as the team is slowly improving, becoming competitive in the region and starting to assert itself offensively, they need to start to learning to effectively deal with quick counters as the back line starts playing a higher line to support the offense.
Not a good result, but on the other hand, I am not disappointed with the team's performance. There were positives to take from this match. Considering we had 10 shots at goal to their 4 and dominated the match, that's something I hardly see from our team against tough opponents even if it was a weakened Indonesia side. Funny, cause it looked to me that Indonesia approached and played their game in the same way we approached and played our game against a full strength Malaysia side in KL a few days before. If anything, whatever they say in public, how the Indonesians played us last night manifests that they now respect our team as a credible and competitive opponent.
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Post by narko on Jun 6, 2012 13:14:55 GMT 8
A comment on the tweeting by players which Rick Olivarez brought up on his blog post, they need to do something about that. Olivarez raised some pretty good points on that issue. Just a thought, Spanish coach Del Bosque has banned his players from tweeter for the duration of the upcoming Euro Cup competition. Perhaps Dan Palami should take inspiration from that.
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Post by teddyandtimmysdad on Jun 6, 2012 13:18:50 GMT 8
My view on the game.
1) I applaud Weiss for changing things up and trying new guys in different formations. This exploration is, in my opinion, healthy - but only up to a point. At some stage we need to focus on getting ready for the Suzuki Cup. My understanding from Weiss' post match interview is that this game was for some experimentation, but that this experimentation is now done. According to his comments, his decision are now made and he will be putting out his best team starting with the Guam match so that they can focus more on cohesion.
2) I was happy to hear Weiss' post match comments. He rightly recognized what I thought were two key points: We had more skill, they had more cohesion. Weiss knows we lack cohesion, which is common in a national team of players that rarely train together. This now has to be the major objective. We have the talent, the guys just need time to gel.
3) GK: I thought Etheridge did another good job. Can't be majorly faulted for either goal.
4) DF: Left Etheridge at their mercy several times, resulting in 2 goals which could have been more. Our DF seemed slow at times with speedy Indonesian wingers running around our DF. Long Balls too often. Anyone reviewing the game film will have a roadmap for beating our team.
5) MF: No Cohesion. Often times found 2 or sometimes even 3 guys standing almost next to each other. No width. The compactness of this meant too many desperation passes that were sometimes right to the other team. This isn't the fault of the players. These are all signs of a team that just hasn't had enough time together. They need time together to gel. Weiss must follow his own comments and now play his focus team together at every opportunity to give them time to work together with coordination. In my opinion, this is always the biggest problem for ALL international teams - so we are not alone in facing this challenge.
6) F: We just seemed to lack the spark needed to get the ball home without the YH brothers. Whatever people say about them, I feel they make a huge difference and I think the game last night was a vivid example. Chieffy was also a spark, but in the first half had difficulty making an impact due to problems in the midfield. He is not a big hold up player allowing time for others to get in the mix. Thus I felt too often he found himself alone with no options but to try and drive the ball forward on his own, which rarely works in the international arena. The Indonesian defense seemed to recognize and key in on Wolfie making it difficult for him to make an impact. This all changed in the second half when the YH brothers hit the pitch.
7) Indonesia came with a single objective in mind. Get at least a draw to improve their FIFA standings. Thus we saw a multitude of time wasting antics that are nothing other than cheating. Yes, time wasting is cheating. I know it is practiced by virtually every team on the planet, but it is still cheating. And, it makes for a horrible match to watch. I thought the Indonesians were a horrible side with nothing other than speed to offer as a team. Their defense was well coached, but when you are facing a mid field lacking cohesion like ours, your defensive task is much easier. Wait for the long ball, mask out the one or two Azkal forwards away from the ball, take the ball and move forward. This happened time and again during the match last night.
8) The Indonesian fans were great. Kudos to them for their spirited support, especially to those who made the long journey here in support of their team! I didn't hear or see any of the alledged racist remarks from them, so only can comment on the positives evident from the TV coverage. Likewise, our fans were amazing and came across on the TV coverage as a mighty voice of support. I believe that we have some of the most dedicated, vocal fans. Anywhere.
SUMMARY: Using the FIFA ranking widget, the results of the Malaysia and Indonesia draws have us falling two places to 151, falling behind Nepal and Malta. The good news is that the only ASEAN teams ranked above us still seems to be only Vietnam at 97 and Thailand at 141. Still we remain behind some other giants of the football world such as Cyprus (133), Belize (140), and finally Grenada who at 143, seems to use their entire male population to staff their full national team. Seriously though, our team is still a work in progress. Serious football fans should recognize this, be patient, and support our grassroots programs wherever possible so that our long term growth brings solid results. In the meantime, go AZKALS! Time for a win against Guam!
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Post by turnmyswagon10 on Jun 6, 2012 13:29:18 GMT 8
Is it just me that praises Manny Ott? He's darn good in midfield (except the altercation that resulted a red cad) . How I wish to see more of him with shroecky in the mid.
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Post by teddyandtimmysdad on Jun 6, 2012 13:42:47 GMT 8
Ott and Schrock seemed to gel together well. They must drink the same German beer!
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Post by narko on Jun 6, 2012 13:46:55 GMT 8
Is it just me that praises Manny Ott? He's darn good in midfield (except the altercation that resulted a red cad) . How I wish to see more of him with shroecky in the mid. You're not the only one. As I mentioned in my comment earlier, the midfield pairing of Ott and Marwin Angeles look promising for the team's future. Manny Ott in my opinion played quite well both in KL and last night, especially considering that he is quite young still, and therefore is likely to improve and has not yet peaked.
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Post by kulaspero15 on Jun 6, 2012 14:10:46 GMT 8
narko and teddyandtimmysdad . Excellent insight from the both of you. Thanks. Now looking forward to our next match!
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Post by wenden96 on Jun 6, 2012 14:18:06 GMT 8
Is it just me that praises Manny Ott? He's darn good in midfield (except the altercation that resulted a red cad) . How I wish to see more of him with shroecky in the mid. I vote his off....I think he was distracted by two fouls given to him by the indons but not recognized by the referee....that is why during the altercation he show his frustration and throw a slap on the indon player
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Post by kulaspero15 on Jun 6, 2012 14:48:43 GMT 8
wenden96 Now I know why he was ejected. .. If he slapped the Indo player then most likely he will receive a fine from the AFC w/c happend to Neil.
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Post by marfin on Jun 6, 2012 15:10:44 GMT 8
Bob Guerrero's account on the bench clearing: Then came an incident, common in football, where testosterone overrides intelligence. The Philippines was awarded a free kick, but Bachdim was holding on to the ball and not letting go. Caligdong tapped him on the arm in an effort to get it. The Indonesian-Dutchman took exception and shoved him, resulting in a bench-clearing fracas. The most incongruous detail of this contretemps was Coach Hans Weiss, with a flourescent bib dangling from his neck, trying to separate the combatants from his account of the games. ph.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/thepassionatefan/philippines-2-indonesia-2-wet-wild-014444522.htmlBachdim started it all! Replay showed azkals were trying to take a "quick play" after the whistle But Irfan and his ass just won't give the ball. And No Weiss is not subbing someone out with that bib. ;D Reading the comments from several sites both from Filipino media and Indonesian, and being a half blood of Pinoy/Indonesian made me realize how we missunderstood one another hahaha... its no joke.. but probably my pinoy blood is ticker... so yeah go Azkals... the funniest comment i read from indonesian media was about Irfan bachdim fight, there is one guy was saying the Philippines is only good because of some naturalized player and indonesian player is all pure indonesian.... hahah.. and everybody start cursing him and ask what about Irfan... ??
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Post by kulaspero15 on Jun 6, 2012 15:38:05 GMT 8
headline from Jakarta Globe Football: Nine-Man Philippines Hold Indonesia Substitute James Younghusband scored a superb goal and set up another as nine-man Philippines came back from a goal down twice to salvage a draw against Indonesia in a friendly Tuesday. Winger Octavianus Maniani sprinted down the right and planted a pin-point cross onto the head of Indonesian striker Patrick Wanggai as the visitors took the lead against the run of play in the 57th minute. The hosts were level within a minute though, Younghusband gratefully picking up the scraps to score after his fellow midfielder Angel Guirado had dispossessed defender Satrio Syam in the Indonesian box. Striker Irfan Bachdim restored the Indonesians’ lead with a breakaway goal in the 62nd minute, but tempers boiled over with 11 minutes left on the clock after Filipino captain Emelio Caligdong was fouled near the byline. Bachdim, Caligdong and fellow Filipino midfielder Manuel Ott all received their marching orders for fighting. From the resulting free-kick James Younghusband nodded down from the far post and into the feet of younger brother and fellow substitute Phil. The striker blasted an unstoppable shot past Markus Maulana in the Indonesian goal, and the match ended 2-2. Coach Michael Weiss said the Philippines did enough to win the match, in which both sides initially kept some of their best players including the Younghusbands on the substitutes’ bench. “We had more chances than opposition. Our goalkeeper almost did not touch the ball,” he said. “We would have deserved a victory, but it wasn’t so, and we have to rectify it.” Agence France-Presse www.thejakartaglobe.com/football/football-nine-man-philippines-hold-indonesia/522595
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Post by wenden96 on Jun 6, 2012 16:27:56 GMT 8
wenden96 Now I know why he was ejected. .. If he slapped the Indo player then most likely he will receive a fine from the AFC w/c happend to Neil. Hopefully not........If I can recall correctly the one he slaps, is the one who kick him in the side.....correct me if im wrong.....
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