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Post by Usapang Football on Mar 31, 2013 22:41:45 GMT 8
Brazil is arguably one of the most powerful nations in the football world, having won five World Cup trophies and home to a lot of the world's most prominent past and present football stars such as Pele, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Neymar and the like. In recent years, Brazil has also become one of the world's most powerful economies and is a major figure in global politics. Recently, the Philippines entered a Memorandum of Understanding with the birthplace of the Samba for sports cooperation. The Philippine Sports Commission wants the 2014 World Cup hosts to help shape the future of Philippine football by providing technical assistance to augment the programs of the PFF, hoping that someday the Philippines might be a success in the sport too. This is not a first for Brazil, they have supported fellow AFF member Timor-Leste by providing financial assistance and training to its football program and the country's head coach for it's senior team is a Brazilian, Emerson Alcantara. Several national team regulars also ply their trade in Brazil's football leagues. This partnership reaped great dividends for the Timorese as the once whipping boys of the ASEAN football region earned their first two victories in the most recent AFF Suzuki Cup qualifiers, demolishing Cambodia 5-1 and Laos 3-1. With that comes my question, in your opinion do you think Brazil will prove to be a useful partner in the development of Philippine football? Do you think this partnership will bear any complications with the DFB partnership already in place? Article here: www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/03/27/13/psc-taps-brazil-help-boost-ph-football-beach-volleyball
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Post by stellarboy on Apr 1, 2013 0:35:28 GMT 8
This is rather a complex situation. With Brazil's football governing body, the CBF (Confederação Brasiliera do Fútebol), coming into the mix of Philippine football, there may be certain conflicts that might come given that the Philippine Football Federation's contract with Germany's football body, the DFB (Deustche Fußballer-Bund), to support the sport is still ongoing. That's still evident with the contract extension of current national team head coach Hans Michael Weiss.
I would suggest that, at this point in time, the CBF should focus on grassroots development and creating a national league structure rather than them being involved with the national team setting. This I think has been found wanting with the presence of the DFB. There was simply no clear news as to if the grassroots programs or a definite national competition were properly implemented as the German fed wanted to be. They can also look into sending a technical director, who should work for the PFF, to overlook the current implementations. With the DFB, they insisted the PFF to use their local staff, especially their current technical director, Aris Caslib, in complement to ageing Eckhard Krautzun, in which I feel isn't right. I suggest that that director they will send must have technical and managerial experience in the Brazilian setting or in top-flight European setting.
If ever, though, they would want to touch the national team setup, as well as the current top-flight club competition, the UFL, they may provide scouts and technical staff for the league, and additional coaching staff for the national team that would complement the current head coach (Weiss) and goalkeeping coach (Pascal Zuberbühler). An additional assistant coach from them would be appreciated. In the UFL, they could conduct training seminars in the management of the league, officiating, coping up with limited venues, and the others. They may also conduct feasibility studies to determine how and when can the league expand to the provinces. This is somewhat lacking from the DFB.
Could the Philippines samba? Yes they could, but they should start elsewhere aside from the national team.
I wish the CBF all the very best in supporting the PFF in their future endeavours.
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Post by jaygee20gensaya on Apr 1, 2013 0:48:02 GMT 8
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Post by narko on Apr 1, 2013 12:44:03 GMT 8
It will all depend on the PFF, what they want to do and how much they want to engage Brazil on this matter.
The PSC is a government institution, what they did in Brazil was confirm interest from that side, establish a framework and contacts for cooperation and find out what are possible activities/projects that can be undertaken. PSC talked with the Brazilian government and the head of the union of professional football coaches in Sao Paolo. PSC will consult PFF and other stakeholders in the football community, inform them what's on the table, PFF and the rest will have to decide what it wants to do with this opportunity.
As for PSC, their focus will be on technical cooperation initiatives (coaches, seminars, etc.) on government to government level aimed at youth and grassroots. Not so much in terms of elite training and national squads (that's PFF territory) but more in terms of using sports as a formative tool for youth in support of nation building under the concept of "sports for all."
By the way, after Brazil the PSC mission also proceeded to Argentina where some proposals on football where discussed as well, including a presentation from Uruguay. Prior to that, they also came from Spain.
So PSC has a wide menu of options and contacts available for the PFF, or even other sectors involved in the sport, that can be accessed in consultation/cooperation with PSC. It's up to the stakeholders to take advantage of the opportunity these present.
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Post by Usapang Football on Apr 1, 2013 13:07:01 GMT 8
Follow-up question: Where does Brazil fit in into developing our national football programs?
As stated in the article, the Brazilians will provide assistance in sports medicine, education of referees, coaches, etc. and in anti-doping. Do we really need a foreign country to assist us in these aspects?
Also, where would the PFF be if all these assistance comes into place? Do you think this would deplete the purpose of having our own national footballing body? Do you think the PFF is merely making other parties do their jobs for them?
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Post by narko on Apr 1, 2013 13:28:07 GMT 8
Follow-up question: Where does Brazil fit in into developing our national football programs?As stated in the article, the Brazilians will provide assistance in sports medicine, education of referees, coaches, etc. and in anti-doping. Do we really need a foreign country to assist us in these aspects? Also, where would the PFF be if all these assistance comes into place? Do you think this would deplete the purpose of having our own national footballing body? Do you think the PFF is merely making other parties do their jobs for them? Brazil will fit into the development of our football program in a manner that the PFF decides, whether as a source for coaches, to conduct seminars, to send people to train, for specialists, etc. There is a wide range of projects and options available, from as simple as sending a coach to conduct seminars, to get a technical expert to evaluate the current state of Philippine football or to sending teams to train/play there. The question is what does the PFF want to do about it? Regarding the need for a foreign country to assist in these aspects, again it is up to the stakeholders. If they think there is nothing to be gained from technical cooperation and exchanges with Brazil or other countries, then no need to pursue anything. But if they feel there is value to such engagement, then the doors have been opened by the PSC. Where would the PFF be in all these? They should be at the forefront because this is their mandate. PSC is a government entity, it only facilitates these opportunities which is why they will be consulting and presenting this to the PFF for their consideration. The PSC's main function is to support national sporting associations such as the PFF, which are private in nature. By the way, the MOU mentioned in the article isn't only about football. Sports medicine, anti-doping, etc. are the various areas of cooperation under that MOU and covers generally all forms of competitive sports. Development and implementation of projects under that MOU is by mutual consent of both parties. This could be government to government or association to association.
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Post by Usapang Football on Apr 1, 2013 17:00:04 GMT 8
As both put by you and stellarboy, we also have the DFB (German football association) providing us with support in the same areas mentioned in the memorandum...do you think there will be a clash if this goes on?
But the main question that lingers in this discussion is still this: is there really a need for a new partner in developing Philippine football?
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Post by stellarboy on Apr 1, 2013 18:31:09 GMT 8
I can say that there won't be a clash that would happen if and only if the PFF plans to place the Brazilian aide, that has been opened through the agreement between the PSC and local authorities in São Paulo, in the proper place - that is preferably at the grassroots setting. However if they are to involve elite trainings and the national squads, that would be their problem, if in case there would be overlaps with the DFB's original plans and, say, what men's team manager Dan Palami have been set in place at the financial level as of late. Yes, there will still be a need for foreign aide to help the national football scene, as long as the Philippines is not yet considered a footballing nation - when the facilities, competitions, and the general culture would be enough to cover a national scale and meet international standards. Compare it to basketball, where it has been a long time since a foreign national association has provided aide in the country, and popularity of the sport is undeniably abundant. In addition, compared to other Asean neighbours, sport in the country is actually poorly-funded here, as the PSC receives very little budget allocated by the national government (I blame the previous administration under the "little lady" and her cohorts who misused funds for personal gain). That's why they still have the dire need for facilities, medical support, and the others that would easily have been addressed if the government allocated an adequate budget to support their programs to support the NSAs like the PFF.
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Post by narko on Apr 1, 2013 21:09:16 GMT 8
Stellarboy is correct. There are other areas where these opportunities can be utilized aside from the senior men's national team. There are the Malditas, the Little Azkals and as Stellarboy mentioned, the grassroots programs. The clash will come if the PFF and Dan Palami decide they don't want to utilize the German package anymore for the senior team. As far as I understand, the German package doesn't seem to be comprehensive enough to cover every aspect of football development in the country.
If certain provincial FAs wish to avail of these opportunities, should they be denied that chance? If for example the province of Negros Occidental wants to get Brazilian coaches to train their PE coaches or set up a training center for out of school youths, should they be denied that opportunity?
The options available are not only for the national teams, it is there for other stakeholders such as clubs, schools, local government units, the UFL, etc. they only need to work with the PSC. As I mentioned, the PSC underwent this mission to open doors for collaboration with Spain, Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay. It is up to the stakeholders how they wish to advantage of the opportunity.
Concerning support from the PSC, they are supposed to get 5% of PAGCOR's earnings but PAGCOR is not providing this mandated amount in full. In Argentina, there is legislation that mandates that a percentage of cellphone companies' earnings go to sports development because in Argentina (as it is in Brazil) they believe that sports is a right and an important tool in nation building. Imagine the amount if even just 1% of cellphone text message charges goes to sports development in our country?
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Post by Caz on Apr 2, 2013 22:06:11 GMT 8
I agree, right now Germany is helping the national team quite a lot. As welcome as Brazilian aid might be, there'll be a conflict of interest. As for getting our players jobs as professional football players or lifting up the UFL or perhaps some form of national championship or league, there's loads of opportunities for the CBF to get involved (and even make some money).
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Post by peteryang57 on Apr 6, 2013 1:01:10 GMT 8
I think Stellarboy is correct. Perhaps Brazil can help out in the junior grass root level. Other area which can benefit from this co operation between CBF and The Philippines PFF is the local coaches where knowledge of Brazil pattern style and flair of play can then be passed on.
I recalled when i first was trained by a German certified local coach in my first soccer apprenticeship with a local club, Years later when i joined another soccer club whose coach is local Brazil trained certified coach I had to learn and adapt to Brazil style of play which is one touch game, with flair and a rectangle formation style pattern play. It will benefits soccer development in The Philippines. Knowledge gained is never a waste nor loss, cos it enrich us where we can then pass on to our young ones.
During my years, football phrase was " South Americans are noted for individual skills and flair in their football, while the Europeans are noted for their Tactical football"
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Post by cjeagle on Apr 9, 2013 9:00:15 GMT 8
Apparently not only Brazilians, but Argentine instructors and coaches are coming to the Philippine to help at the grassroots level. manilastandardtoday.com/2013/04/09/argentine-booters-arriving/"Argentinian officials have offered the services of football instructors who just finished studying from their academies to help impart their knowledge to interested kids in the country." I wonder though who is going to pay for their salaries. Perhaps the local UFL clubs will hire them. It would also be great if some of them would follow the footsteps of Spanish footballers like Juan Cutillas who decided to stay permanently in the Philippines after starting a family there.
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Post by narko on Apr 9, 2013 13:18:36 GMT 8
Apparently not only Brazilians, but Argentine instructors and coaches are coming to the Philippine to help at the grassroots level. manilastandardtoday.com/2013/04/09/argentine-booters-arriving/"Argentinian officials have offered the services of football instructors who just finished studying from their academies to help impart their knowledge to interested kids in the country." I wonder though who is going to pay for their salaries. Perhaps the local UFL clubs will hire them. It would also be great if some of them would follow the footsteps of Spanish footballers like Juan Cutillas who decided to stay permanently in the Philippines after starting a family there. Cjeagle, the football farm referred to in the article is the Renato Cesarini FC. It is actually a football academy founded by 6 friends in Rosario (hometown of Messi, Di Maria, Batistusta, Lavezzi, Pochettino, Heinze) who were former players. It is a 34 acre farm 12 kms outside the city limits where they train a few hundred boys 10-17 yrs old. The boys come from all over Argentina, though most from Rosario who have more than enough players given is stature as Argentina's football capital. There are trials to get accepted, those who make it are provided uniforms, placed in dorms in the city proper where their diet and nutrition are monitored and supervised. They go to school in the mornings and from Tues to Fri are shuttled to the "farm" in the afternoon for 2-3 hr training sessions. Weekends are reserved for matches and Mondays are rest days as the training staff meet to conduct evaluations and plan out the training sessions for the week. The club is very successfull. Among their alumni include Santiago Solari, Javier Mascherano, Dimechelis, Pablo Piatti and Roberto Senssini. They have sponsors (who include former alumni) and they get percentages from pro clubs such as Newell's Old Boys, Boca, River Plate, etc. who recruit their young players. If their students are taken as youths for those clubs's academies, I think they have a clause that allows them to get a percentage when the student signs a pro contract or is sold on to another club. If one of their former players moves on to a European club, I think they get a percentage as well. That's how they support their operations. Not all the students go on to be pros, around 20% make it. In addition to the Brazilians and Argentines, you can add the Uruguayans as well. While the PSC Chairman was in Argentina, an Uruguayan professor in physical education Jorge Franco, made a presentation to the PSC delegation on possible assistance programs for the Philippines. The program can be as simple as getting a coach or technical adviser, sending an evaluation team or to something more ambitious as what the Indonesians did for their current U17 and U19 team. Those interested about that try looking up Deportivo Indonesia, it's a very interesting project.
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Post by cjeagle on Apr 9, 2013 18:14:32 GMT 8
narko,
I am aware of the Indonesian program in Uruguay. I think it would be too expensive for us. Many of the Indo kids from what I was told were eventually hired by Uruguayan clubs. I think it would be cheaper if many of the South American coaches work with professional clubs in the Philippines and teach them how to set up their developmental systems the way they do it in their respective countries.
The Brazilians in particular can be asked to teach and develop futsal to the street kids in Manila and elsewhere. That is how they developed their technique. Maybe they can turn basketball courts back home into futsal courts by placing nets underneath the basket, just like they do in Brazil.
Anyways, I hope this tieups with South America football authorities bears fruit. Many of the Central American countries have done the same, which helped them catch up with the US and Mexico. It might be more difficult because of the distance, but I hope their football culture and passion for the sport will eventually be passed on the Philippines which among all the countries in Asia, has the closest ties to that continent culturally.
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Post by narko on Apr 9, 2013 23:07:58 GMT 8
narko, I am aware of the Indonesian program in Uruguay. I think it would be too expensive for us. Many of the Indo kids from what I was told were eventually hired by Uruguayan clubs. I think it would be cheaper if many of the South American coaches work with professional clubs in the Philippines and teach them how to set up their developmental systems the way they do it in their respective countries. The Brazilians in particular can be asked to teach and develop futsal to the street kids in Manila and elsewhere. That is how they developed their technique. Maybe they can turn basketball courts back home into futsal courts by placing nets underneath the basket, just like they do in Brazil. Anyways, I hope this tieups with South America football authorities bears fruit. Many of the Central American countries have done the same, which helped them catch up with the US and Mexico. It might be more difficult because of the distance, but I hope their football culture and passion for the sport will eventually be passed on the Philippines which among all the countries in Asia, has the closest ties to that continent culturally. Cjeagle, because of the cost involved the PSC prefers that we bring technical assistance and support over here as opposed to sending people there. Though sending Filipino coaches to get better exposure to a different environment can be considered. The Uruguay project of Indonesia is bankrolled by an Indonesian conglomerate and I doubt that kind of commitment and investment can be matched by a Philippine sponsor at this point in time. If we're lucky, those countries might also think it would be a good way for them to promote their country here in the region and their respective governments might even help share in the costs via a technical cooperation framework. Aside from cost, the other consideration why PSC prefers technical assistance being brought here is that it can reach a wider audience. Of course, all this depends on the stakeholders especially the PFF. They will determine what they want to do with these opportunities. The PSC is sensitive about interfering with their mandate and jurisdiction. The UFL should look into these opportunities as well. All three, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay, are willing to send an evaluator to assess the state of Philippine football so that recommendations can be made and programs developed for its growth and improvement. Sounds like one of the recommendations in the Zgoll report. Brazil is even recommending a 3 man evaluation team composed of a coach, physical trainer and technical assistant. I think a good question to raise in relation to this is, would the powers in national and local football be open to having the current state of affairs be scrutinized and assessed in coordination with a third party? If they do, they only need to work with the PSC who now have the contacts and the network available to make this happen. Also, from what I heard, the PSC mission to these countries emphasized the focus of cooperation initiatives to be on the youth and the grassroots in their discussions with their counterparts and not only in football.
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