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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 14, 2013 17:29:04 GMT 8
This thread serves to post resources materials such as photos, videos, articles and updates on the 'Euro Azkals' developmental team which is ran by Paul Weiler and his group of sponsors. No. - Name - Club1 Schipmann Bernd Schalke 04 – Germany 2 Novion Baumann FC Zürich – Switzerland 3 Radecke Marc JSG Astheim/Trebur – Germany 4 Nothdurft Benjamin TuRa Meldorf – Germany 5 Van de Velde Jozef KSC Grimbergen – Belgium 7 Lorenz Jeffrey Meiendorfer SV – Germany 8 Piehl Herbert Tus Rhein Köln – Germany 9 Fortmann Daniel Federico Sc Alstertal Langenhorn – Germany 10 Bürvenich Christopher Sc Alstertal Langenhorn – Germany 11 Böhm Brian BSC Brunsbüttel – Germany 12 Lewald Sven BV 04 Düsseldorf – Germany 13 Wolf Kristian TBV Lemgo – Germany 14 Carranza Skie SG Leinenfeld – Germany 15 Cagara Kevin Brondby IF – Denmark 16 Ungermann Patrick FC Hertha München 1922 – Germany 17 Hartmann Kevin-Rob Hamburger SV – Germany 18 Beutler Mark-Kevin SF Salzstetten – Germany 19 Mierzwiak Brianne Gil Bergisch Gladbach – Germany 20 Klug Patrick VfL Osnabrück – Germany 21 Fehr Jeff Denis Aachen – Germany 22 Glaser Daryl James Germany 23 Kemptner Michael FC Zürich – Switzerland 24 Loja Castillo Dennis VanIF Skjold-Birkerod Denmark 25 Burgos Ryan Jherome Pro Calcio Football Club – Italy 26 Kollar Patrick SC Unterpfaffenhofen – Germany
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 14, 2013 17:36:01 GMT 8
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Post by johnmarki on Jun 14, 2013 17:41:00 GMT 8
I apologize for my ignorance but what is "euro azkals"?are they half filipinos?. Paul Weiler was into a controversy right?. So how can you be so sure that this is real.
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 14, 2013 17:47:03 GMT 8
I apologize for my ignorance but what is "euro azkals"?are they half filipinos?. Paul Weiler was into a controversy right?. So how can you be so sure that this is real. This is the developmental team for Philippine-team eligible players who are based in Europe. They play football games in Europe only and are ran by private investors who are European. This project has been ongoing for many years now, in fact, before the Hanoi Miracle. In fact, Dan Palami met the group during a 'scouting' trip some years back. They were behind the discovery of Marc Drinkuth, the Cagaras, Jerry Lucena, among others.
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Post by buddha on Jun 14, 2013 17:47:35 GMT 8
Oh no, Paul Weiler again?!
Unless you're a newbie, Usapang Football administrator, you'll away from this guy.
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 15, 2013 15:35:04 GMT 8
Gents, this forum focuses only on the footballing side of matters and not showbiz or politics. Regardless of who runs the team, our foreign-based prospects are still given good training and henceforth Philippine football benefits as a whole.
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Post by lakza on Jun 15, 2013 20:45:00 GMT 8
I hope people understand that
1) this is not a national team 2) this is not in anyway connected to the Azkals or the Azkals management 3) their operations and program is not in any way connected to the PFF 4) Standouts of this team do not get a guaranteed spot in the Philippine National Team. 5) This is technically just a club and not different from any other club with eligible players with Filipino blood.
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Post by buddha on Jun 16, 2013 8:51:57 GMT 8
Forgive me Administrator, but are the points given by lakza true? Unless you can provide evidence against what lakza says then this thread is very misleading.
Do enlighten us. Nobody wants to get pavoned again.
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You also said this,
"Regardless of who runs the team, our foreign-based prospects are still given good training and henceforth Philippine football benefits as a whole."
I'm a bit confused. Who gives them "good training" again? Surely not the EURO AZKALS as these lads come from very good clubs in the first place!
PERHAPS these young boys and their families are under the impression that by playing for the EURO AZKALS they are part the national team set-up (as it's being called a DEVELOPMENTAL TEAM). I'd be sorely tempted to think that the EURO AZKALS is set-up to gather funding and support and where that funding and support goes I can only guess.
So Administrator, I hope you set me straight here. I hope I am wrong and that the EURO AZKALS is indeed a developmental team set up with the blessings of the PFF.
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Post by fadzki on Jun 16, 2013 9:35:40 GMT 8
Cagara Kevin Brondby IF – Denmark ----- Dennis Cagara's brother?
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Post by kuo24 on Jun 16, 2013 10:06:28 GMT 8
Using the "Azkals" name makes it sound official. Unless this is officially sanctioned by the PFF, and they are monitoring the club's progress, this could be very misleading indeed for the young players and their parents.
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Post by Caz on Jun 16, 2013 10:53:52 GMT 8
To my understanding, this is indeed a "club" composed of European players eligible to play for the Philippines. I don't think they're officially connected to the PFF but Paul Weiler does play the role of a scout's scout and I believe his setup has introduced some players and potentials to the senior Azkals squad. He still has some connections in the PFF so if he does find a player worth looking at he could have someone official to check him out. Anyways, that's what I understand from PW's gimmick here. Hopefully he does find potential stars IN ADVANCE (that's a little wink to longtime followers here). But everyone needs to be very very careful, if you know what I mean.
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 16, 2013 10:59:22 GMT 8
buddha,Sorry if I phrased that vaguely, you are right this is not a PFF-sanctioned developmental team for the Azkals. As I said, this is a developmental team for European-based Filipinos who compete against clubs in Europe. And you are wrong, they do not come from top leagues in the first place. The exception perhaps of Cagara, Lucena and Wolf who had previously played for professional clubs, but guys like Drinkuth, Christian Sandner, Bobby Janzer, Mark-Kevin Beutler, Marciel Krieg, Patrick Herget, etc. (some played in the last SEA games and Drinkuth was with the team during the 2010 Suzuki Cup) who came from 4th/5th tier teams and even semi-pro casual clubs, the experience being with Euro Azkals is good for them as they play the likes of Hamburger SV (even if just their reserve team). Indeed lakza is right with his points, but I never said otherwise regarding his points anyway. The investors and other sponsors fund their airfare, training camps, uniforms, other equipments, etc. and this gives us a good pool of players for the PFF to look at when scouting. And let's not forget the Nagold Cup. (http://usapangfootball.proboards.com/thread/1544/nagold-cup-germany) ============================================================================= Anyways, this thread is beginning to shift to a debate on the legitimacy of the team rather than it's true purpose, which was to enlighten us on the future tournaments to be entered by their team. Maybe if I omitted the names of the individuals involved, surely this discussion would not have occurred in the first place? Just a thought. Some useful links: usapangfootball.com/thread/671/azkals-germany-camp-game-resultsusapangfootball.com/thread/667/azkals-foreign-prospects-pool-thread?page=1usapangfootball.proboards.com/thread/1544/nagold-cup-germany
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Post by buddha on Jun 16, 2013 23:14:43 GMT 8
Administrator, thanks for pointing some things out.
Let me clarify though that I never said anything about the players coming from top leagues. I did say "very good clubs" and that's a big difference. My point was to argue against your statement that they "...are still given good training and henceforth Philippine football benefits as a whole".
Wouldn't Novem Baumann be better off training with his club, FC Zurich, than with the Euro Azkals? Unless of course if he was told that being part of the Euro Azkals was his ticket to the national team.
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I apologize for sidetracking from the purpose of this thread. I was trying to point out that the whole idea of having a team called Euro Azkals is misleading to the public and to any young player trying to put himself in the shop window for the Philippine national team. Calling the team a "developmental team" is furthering the deception as any developmental team would have direct support from the national organization (the PFF).
Mr. Weiler deserves full credit for scouting wonderful players including some who have gone on to play for the national team (I had first heard about Stephan Schrock from him). It's also interesting to note that Mr. Weiler claims to have the copyrights of the word "azkals" in 27 countries so he has all the right to use the name Euro Azkals. But to what end?
I have no objections to having a page on USAPANGFOOTBALL dedicated to the Euro Azkals if they are presented as just another club and not as a developmental team aimed at producing players for the national squad. That's the original intent of the thread, right? That the Euro Azkals are no different from other clubs?
Again, apologies for digressing. Cheers.
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Post by Usapang Football on Jun 17, 2013 7:08:04 GMT 8
Administrator, thanks for pointing some things out. Let me clarify though that I never said anything about the players coming from top leagues. I did say "very good clubs" and that's a big difference. My point was to argue against your statement that they "...are still given good training and henceforth Philippine football benefits as a whole". Wouldn't Novem Baumann be better off training with his club, FC Zurich, than with the Euro Azkals? Unless of course if he was told that being part of the Euro Azkals was his ticket to the national team. -------- I apologize for sidetracking from the purpose of this thread. I was trying to point out that the whole idea of having a team called Euro Azkals is misleading to the public and to any young player trying to put himself in the shop window for the Philippine national team. Calling the team a "developmental team" is furthering the deception as any developmental team would have direct support from the national organization (the PFF). Mr. Weiler deserves full credit for scouting wonderful players including some who have gone on to play for the national team (I had first heard about Stephan Schrock from him). It's also interesting to note that Mr. Weiler claims to have the copyrights of the word "azkals" in 27 countries so he has all the right to use the name Euro Azkals. But to what end? I have no objections to having a page on USAPANGFOOTBALL dedicated to the Euro Azkals if they are presented as just another club and not as a developmental team aimed at producing players for the national squad. That's the original intent of the thread, right? That the Euro Azkals are no different from other clubs? Again, apologies for digressing. Cheers. I'm glad we got that out of the way. anyways, the photo above shows young Filipino-German Chris Burvenich tussling with a Hamburg SV player in a recent friendly game.
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Post by lakza on Jun 17, 2013 17:15:42 GMT 8
I'd like to correct the notion that PW still has connections with the PFF. There is no communication/cooperation with PFF on the 'Euro Azkals' and PW has no appointment or any legal status with the PFF -- I think we can all agree on this one based on the numerous incidents before. Official letter of invitation to join the national team training will be communicated DIRECTLY to their respective clubs and not the 'Euro Azkals' or to PW. I would have to agree that calling it a 'developmental team' is a bit misleading. It is merely a Pinoy selection of players in Germany playing for different clubs.
To get back into the discussion, can anyone point out who are the standouts of this team and which league that player has been performing on? Thanks.
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