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Post by Filipinas50 on Nov 17, 2012 15:20:11 GMT 8
kung masasabayan lang ng baseball ang kasikatan ng football madaming pinoy may chance makalaro sa ibang bansa gusto ko rin may maging pinoy superstar sa sport na to gaya ni pacquiao. Sana Nga ...
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Post by wenden96 on Nov 17, 2012 20:36:12 GMT 8
ahhh infield errors are killings us against NZL
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Post by wenden96 on Nov 17, 2012 21:52:20 GMT 8
Nice late run on bottom 8 however we were still outsmarted by NZL 10-6 coaching staff of NZL is better than especially o pitching assigment....our's the team bleeds before replacement. catcher nacapoy plays superb even the odds are low... bases flops.. pitcher need more tactical training and so as the batters... team chemistry is not present..... better luck next time....train for next year SEA games (if myanmar will host the game), and the next asian games (if blu boys join) more international games exposure.....
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Post by kelvinreambonanza on Nov 17, 2012 22:05:35 GMT 8
Philippines played a hard fought game, late run but still New Zealand came with a deserving victory. We still needs good hitter and young infielders and outfielders. I well have a bold statement if I say that PI will be a good team in SEA in the future.
Clearly there are players who showed class namely: Nacapoy Pangilinan Pineda Ramirez Rosales Ogawa
If we can just recruit more filam's in AAA and AA MLB affiliates surely we can compete with the giants of Asia.
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Post by dingodile5 on Nov 18, 2012 0:06:48 GMT 8
Better luck next time I hope we'll do better soon BTW, Baseball is Taiwan's most popular sport so we expected a strong team and huge crowd support from their turf.
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Post by cjeagle on Nov 18, 2012 1:16:16 GMT 8
New Zealand played about half a dozen exhibition games prior to this tournament. That is why they have better chemistry and committed less errors. In contrast, the Blu Boys, played their first game together against Thailand, as they did not play one exhibition game prior to the event. We probably have better players than New Zealand esp. if you consider that we have better pitchers(Ogawa, etc.) than them but our players never got the chance to practice together.
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Post by speedy on Nov 19, 2012 23:18:43 GMT 8
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Post by cjeagle on Nov 20, 2012 0:14:35 GMT 8
"Eguia and his teammates will now focus on the coming BFA Asian Baseball Championships set on Nov. 28-Dec. 2 in Taichung, Taiwan."
It is good to see that they have another tournament coming up soon. This time they have some time to develop team chemistry. I hope this time they call up the best players available. I hope more local players get an opportunity to play professional baseball.
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Post by wenden96 on Nov 20, 2012 1:05:14 GMT 8
Philippines played a hard fought game, late run but still New Zealand came with a deserving victory. We still needs good hitter and young infielders and outfielders. I well have a bold statement if I say that PI will be a good team in SEA in the future. Clearly there are players who showed class namely: Nacapoy Pangilinan Pineda Ramirez Rosales Ogawa If we can just recruit more filam's in AAA and AA MLB affiliates surely we can compete with the giants of Asia. Im sorry but i have to disagree pangilinan is our 1B and has a lot of errors both the NZL and Taiwan games. Agree with pineda however I am 50-50 ramirez and rosales due to their infield defensive play errors and average batting ave. For Ogawa well for me his par Eguia and Espenilli have a better ERA record. Additional good performer Eguia and omandac (who have .333 batting ave for 3 games better than ramirez of .231) For me we just need a good coach (batting, pitching, catcher, plays) and develop our youth from the palarong pambansa ang products of Little leagues. Develop the coach and players.
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Post by speedy on Nov 20, 2012 14:17:27 GMT 8
Great analysis guys. But what really contributed to our loss is our inexperience.
In baseball, you really need a lot of games to develop your skills (pitching, batting, especially fielding). That is why sometimes it takes seven years to reach the majors after being drafted by a major league team.
BP plays only a handful of games per season so that put our local players on a disadvantage compared to the Taiwan players who have their own league.
The reinforcements we got from the US and Japan had talent but were still a far away in terms of development (most were in rookie, single-A, and college ball).
You can see that inexperience in terms of bad fielding, untimely hitting, and bad pitching.
The most crucial for me will be the fielding category. Fielding really killed us in that NZ game (7 or 8 errors). Players having a bad jump, slow in covering their position, and not holding the base-runners (NZ sometimes extended their base runners from a single to a double, etc).
Our batters were swinging their bats early on the pitch count. Leighton Pangilinan as pointed out by the commentator saw only 15 pitches in all of his plate appearances. That is not good especially if you are the expected power and clean up hitter of the team.
Pitching maybe not as talented as Taiwan and NZ but we could have kept the scores lower with quality pitching.
Case in point Ogawa was a bit struggling in early innings of the Taiwan game. He should have been throwing strikes but he was painting and missing badly the corners. The Taiwanese batters were just patient enough to wait when he will throw the fastball that they can connect.
This shows the inexperience as well of the catcher (Nacapoy) in terms of game calling.
Overall assessment, we can catch up with NZ and Taiwan if PABA puts on effort on it. I believe that Filipinos are born naturally for baseball like soccer. Everybody can see that we have the talent.
But unlike soccer, you really need a lot of development time in terms of developing skills which in turn can only be achieved by playing a lot of games.
Hope to see our guys can go through the minor league ranks and maybe some can play in the Nippon, Taiwanese or Korean league.
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Post by cjeagle on Nov 20, 2012 15:11:30 GMT 8
Contact hit: Philippine baseball finally gets noticed By Noel Zarate | sportZtackle – 2 hours 54 minutes ago Email Print Baseball in the Philippines just needs a little push. (Getty Images) It sort of brings back memories from 2010, when the Azkals first started making noise in the international scene. All it needed was a televised win and the rest eventually fell into place, not only for the footballers, but for a nation united behind the sport. When I heard that Solar Sports was going to broadcast the qualifiers for the World Baseball Classic (WBC), I felt that it was the sluggers' turn to shine. True enough, after the "Aguilas" trounced Southeast Asian titlists Thailand, 8-2 (despite the presence of World Series champion Johnny Damon), a new captive audience practically dropped everything to witness if the boys could duplicate that feat against the #8 team in the world, host nation Chinese-Taipei. Of course, the Taiwanese gave us the royal spanking (16-0 halted by the Mercy Rule) which set up an all-or-nothing match against New Zealand. I hope everyone appreciated the effort (despite eight errors) in the uphill struggle against the Kiwis. Because in spite of the 10-6 score line, the Pinoys showed a lot of chutzpah going up against a squad that had more arsenal and technology as well as support. You can argue that we were already beefed up by the celebrated pitching phenom Geno Espinelli and Major League Baseball (MLB) farm campaigners Chad Nacapoy, Devon Martinez and Ryan Pineda while Tim Lincecum and Clay Rapada gave us the cold shoulder. You can argue that the showing against New Zealand exposed a lot of weaknesses—basic weaknesses, in terms of defense and teamwork. You can argue that pitching crew was not even close to the level that Chinese-Taipei brought to the table. You can argue all you want, and play Monday morning quarterback (or in this case, Weekend PSA Chair) to your negative heart's content, but the bottomline is clear: for one brief moment—when the Aguilas were shellacking the Thais—the nation came together to rally behind a team not in the popular consciousness. The success the Azkals attained a few years back was also the result of a zillion initial setbacks. For the Aguilas, we have the tools to make the same waves. Baseball, like soccer, suits the natural build of the Filipino: height is not a required advantage (unless you look at the imposing figure a Randy Johnson brings to the mound), speed and reflexes are a premium and being under the sun (the very hot tropical sun) works out well for our team. The Philippine baseball team, known as the "Aguilas", are struggling to catch up with Asian powerhouses Japan, … A couple of generations ago, the Philippines was considered the hotbed of baseball in Asia, so much so that the Bambino himself (that would be Babe Ruth) along with Lou Gehrig travelled halfway around the globe seeking the next great baseball sensation from the region on our very shores. I've been told stories of the Japanese during World War II taking Filipino baseball Prisoners of War (POWs) back to their homeland to teach the sport to a then fledgling minority. Some Nomos, Matsuis and Ichiros later, they're the most dominant country in Asia, now hotly pursued by Korea and the aforementioned Taiwanese. But, like its brothers on the pitch, the Philippine baseball community is just a few baby steps away from reclaiming its rightful place in the region. Take the pitchers, for instance: Jon-Jon Robles—the winning hurler in that victory over Thailand—was recruited by a club team in the Czech Republic and saw action for one season with the Arrows Ostrava. Charlie "The Mad Dog" Labrador issues 90 MPH fastballs while lefties Vlady Eguia and the versatile Joseph Orellana have been known to go over a hundred pitches and still have bites on their curveballs. As far as fielders go, Jonash Ponce and Saxon Omandac are extremely quick for outfielders while Francis Candela and Jennald Pareja are solid examples of the vaunted quickness of the PH infield. It can be noted that many candidates for our Aguilas are scattered all over the world and bringing them in could be a tough task. But the Azkals have shown that once the word gets out, the hidden gems begin revealing themselves. There are several talented aspirants lurking in the college scene. There is also a handful in the provinces. What keeps these players from being discovered? My guess is it's a lack of visibility for a program that can do great things once exposure is on a constant level. Prior to 2010, soccer was there, but it took the Azkals to elevate it to the stature it enjoys today. What Solar Sports did in showing the Filipino the WBC qualifiers is the shot in the arm that Philippine baseball may need. Baseball Philippines, a community-based league formed in 2008, is another entity that hopes to spurn public interest in a sport where the Philippines can compete on the world stage. Its upcoming season begins in March of 2013. Maybe if the games there are brought to the sports-hungry Filipino aficionado via more television exposure, we could be in for another Renaissance in another long under-appreciated discipline. Hopefully, the efforts of our Aguilas in the WBC spark a new awareness. We've made first contact already. Let's help close this inning with a walk-off home-run. ph.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/sportztackle/contact-hit-philippine-baseball-finally-gets-noticed-041205189.html
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Post by wenden96 on Nov 20, 2012 23:28:23 GMT 8
Overall assessment, we can catch up with NZ and Taiwan if PABA puts on effort on it. I believe that Filipinos are born naturally for baseball like soccer. Everybody can see that we have the talent. But unlike soccer, you really need a lot of development time in terms of developing skills which in turn can only be achieved by playing a lot of games. Hope to see our guys can go through the minor league ranks and maybe some can play in the Nippon, Taiwanese or Korean league. agree....to your final assessment cjeagle...thanks for the info phl baseball are called aguilas not a blu boys anymore.....atleast softball men (blu boys) and baseball men Aguilas) have a different nicknames now.
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Post by kelvinreambonanza on Nov 22, 2012 13:06:05 GMT 8
What Philippine baseball needs to succeed By: Mike Ochosa
It was an exciting opportunity for the country’s top ball players to be invited to play in this tournament. Core members of the team won the gold in the recent South East Asian Games, and reinforced by Filipinos who have been playing in various leagues in the United States and Japan.
Similarly, the coaching staff of Tata Empacis and Colbi Hidalgo were beefed up by the presence of American and Filipino coaches alike who have had Major League Baseball affiliations and experiences such as Jim Ramos, Billy Thomas and Billy Champion.
The glory days of Philippine baseball, if it is to be revived, need a new direction -- a renewed spirit and much bigger aspirations.
But we still have a ways to go.
Below is a list of things that could help in overhauling baseball in the country:
Direction and strategy
This experience begs the question: ”What do we need to do to win this?”
They say in the 50s and the 60s the Japanese could never beat the Philippines in this game. The legend goes that as they kept on playing against Filipinos, they continued to take notes on how to get better in order to win.
Several years later, after they started beating the Philippines, they moved on and continued to dominate the game not only in Asia but also in the world.
A strategy with a workable timeframe must be set.
Recruitment
Many eyebrows were raised when the composition of this team was announced. It was a combination of locals or players who have been playing in the Philippines, and international players, Filipinos playing in the United States and Japan.
Given however the level of competition, adding players who have had exposure to this kind of play was a logical decision to make.
However, given more time to prepare, a recruitment process that supports the strategy could be better implemented. It would allow the proper identification of the correct skillset and player combination.
Time
Certainly, all this could only be done if there was more time. This team, to be fair to its management, was not given ample time to do all that was necessary.
Most decisions were “quick-fix” reactions to given situations and had to be made to ensure at least that a team could be sent.
Additionally, the more time spent by team members together prior to the tournament will form a bond that will help them play better as a team.
Teamwork and cohesiveness
Integral to competing internationally is not so much as the individual talents players bring but their ability to play as a team matters.
Baseball is a game of teamwork. Players must be able to trust not only in their own ability but also the skills of their teammates as well. It takes time to foster this trust. Each player needs to know how his teammates' move, how fast they can run, how strong or weak their arms are, so that they can be of help to one another.
The Philippine team though, ladened with good players both local and foreign, were straining to play as one unit. They committed errors even trying to execute routine plays. The weakness of the Philippine nine was further revealed as New Zealand and Taiwan was very aggressive in every play.
Total commitment
The sport of baseball is a sport that Filipinos have excelled in and can again dominate. It is a game of speed more than height, a thinking game more than a game of brawn. To rebuild we must go back to basics.
Just being able to play in this tournament is a feat in itself. This experience opens up a relationship with Major League Baseball which has committed to expand and help the sport grow. We must not allow this chance to pass.
Not qualifying for the WBC in 2013 is not the end. Being able to participate in the qualifier is just the beginning. We must step up to the plate and be ready for the next pitch. - Rappler.com
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Post by wenden96 on Nov 23, 2012 21:09:39 GMT 8
My comment on Mr. Ochosa assessment
why is it that all sports assessment in the philippines after the major tournament the YOUTH DEVELOPMENT is not included or negelcted. Provincial youth development is the key for the baseball to be successful again. The writer use japan baseball, but he forgots all the defeats and lesson they learn is pass down to the next generation of players and coaches. Unlike the philippines all knowledge is stocked piled on the baseball headquarters and the senior team in Manila. New techniques was never pass down in the provinces, no communication between manila and the provinces. this is the age of electronics even sending training guidelines to the schools around the philippines is even impossible. Funny even how manila holds there knowledge and techniques still players from the province manage to be the champion in baseball and softball tournaments, either in the palarong pambansa and the little league with the excemption of ILLAM. The DIRECTION and STRATEGY should be trained the coaches in the provinces improve there training technique, youll see 5 to 8 years the result will be seen. using fil-fors as a quick answer for fame is not always the solution or a long term answer for the baseball (or any sport) success but its the DEVELOPMENT (includes the batting, pitching, team defense, play, health selection, etc), they can help big time but the country need commitment. They should come earlier for training. FOr example why is it the Marcos's sport program Bagong Lipunan is so successful, a simple answer, development, development in the provinces in any sports and whoever win the national finals they will be sent to manila for further training. While there is always a national convention in any sport annually.
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Post by kelvinreambonanza on Nov 23, 2012 23:16:04 GMT 8
wenden96 I agree, to be competitive in Baseball PHI should develop grassroots level. Improvement in facilities, baseball fields and most especially kids should recognize baseball as a sport where they can be professional & earn money. Almost all kids today play basketball, I don't have any issue with that, but if a kid reach maturity and only stands as 5'10 or 6'0 then we are giving them false hope in becoming a professional basketball player. I observe this in my place. 1. Mostly private schools dont have a baseball team, its ether basketball or football. 2. Although public schools have baseball team they are insufficient with funds to purchase mitts, baseballs,baseball bats and batting helmet. 3. When games are played only few people come and watch the game. 4. Few baseball fields, like here in our place there are only two baseball fields that have proper dimensions of the diamond, with pitchers mound and batters box.
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