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Post by jvictor on Apr 19, 2011 15:47:26 GMT 8
Azkals should try to get an invitation to Copa America.
We also have some spanish history, which could qualify us for the invitation?
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Post by mrpmosh on Apr 19, 2011 15:51:42 GMT 8
It's known here, just nobody cares.
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Post by cjeagle on Apr 19, 2011 22:57:43 GMT 8
Azkals should try to get an invitation to Copa America. We also have some spanish history, which could qualify us for the invitation? Copa America is a continental competition to determine the champion of South America just like the Asia Cup is competition for determining the Asian champion. They only invite teams from other continents to make it easier to set up the groups. At one time, they only invited countries in the Americas as befits its name but recently money and drawing potential has been the major reasons in choosing other teams both of which our country does not have in abundance. South America is not a purely Spanish continent but also have areas established by Portugal(Brazil), France(French Guiana), Netherlands(Surinam) and even the English(Falkland Islands which is claimed by Argentina) although some of these countries have chosen to participate in CONCACAF instead. If they had to chose a country because of heritage, they would chose Spain because of its drawing power. Majority of Filipinos don't even speak Spanish anymore which makes us different from the rest of the Hispanic world. |
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Post by cjeagle on Apr 19, 2011 23:06:08 GMT 8
Oh, I am sure people would care being considered the World Club Champion it they ever win it. Mexican clubs just doesn't measure up to the ones in Europe and South America so they try to minimize this competition. Right now Mexican clubs dominate the Concacaf club competition. When Mexico starts losing on a regular basis, people will start caring more. Mexicans didn't really care about the Gold Cup either until they started losing on a regular basis to the Gringos.  |
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Post by mrpmosh on Apr 20, 2011 1:00:57 GMT 8
Azkals should try to get an invitation to Copa America. We also have some spanish history, which could qualify us for the invitation? Even if you could get an invite, your team barely has players at any first division league... you would be destroyed for everyteam you face there (South American teams are a treat when playing in South America) 'cause even current poor teams as Bolivia or Peru would have better quality players than you. Oh, I am sure people would care being considered the World Club Champion it they ever win it. Mexican clubs just doesn't measure up to the ones in Europe and South America so they try to minimize this competition. Right now Mexican clubs dominate the Concacaf club competition. When Mexico starts losing on a regular basis, people will start caring more. Mexicans didn't really care about the Gold Cup either until they started losing on a regular basis to the Gringos. The average fan don't care for the WCC neither, they see it as a cool tourny, but just friendly... nothing to take too seriously. We don't like Gold Cup, but we had always cared about it, even though most matches bore us. |
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Post by mrpmosh on Apr 20, 2011 1:03:59 GMT 8
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Post by cjeagle on Apr 20, 2011 5:21:07 GMT 8
Azkals should try to get an invitation to Copa America. We also have some spanish history, which could qualify us for the invitation? Even if you could get an invite, your team barely has players at any first division league... you would be destroyed for everyteam you face there (South American teams are a treat when playing in South America) 'cause even current poor teams as Bolivia or Peru would have better quality players than you. Oh, I am sure people would care being considered the World Club Champion it they ever win it. Mexican clubs just doesn't measure up to the ones in Europe and South America so they try to minimize this competition. Right now Mexican clubs dominate the Concacaf club competition. When Mexico starts losing on a regular basis, people will start caring more. Mexicans didn't really care about the Gold Cup either until they started losing on a regular basis to the Gringos. The average fan don't care for the WCC neither, they see it as a cool tourny, but just friendly... nothing to take too seriously. We don't like Gold Cup, but we had always cared about it, even though most matches bore us. Actually if we can field our full team including our 2nd generation Filipino European recruits, we now have players from the English premiership, 1st division teams from Denmark and Iceland, 2nd division teams in Germany as well as lower division teams from Spain, Holland, England, France and Germany so I am sure we could field a competitive team against the weaker teams in South America. As for the World Club Cup, even though it it is the World Cup of Clubs, the eventual champion is mostly decided between the European and South American clubs, so other continents tend to get marginalized. I am sure if Mexico wins it, they would make a big deal out of it. As for the Gold Cup, Mexico and its fans never took it seriously until they started losing regularly to their north american neighbors. That is normal since rivalries don't really start until both sides become more or less equal in strength. |
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Post by cjeagle on Apr 20, 2011 5:28:53 GMT 8
As for our common heritage, if you read further, you will find out that there are a lot of traditions, and cuisine in Mexican culture that originated in the Philippine and vice versa. And there are a lot of Filipinos who were also descended from Mexicans of Spanish as well as Indian descent and vice versa as well.  |
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Post by mrpmosh on Apr 20, 2011 6:25:00 GMT 8
Actually if we can field our full team including our 2nd generation European recruits, we now have players from the English premiership, 1st division teams from Denmark and Iceland, 2nd division teams in Germany as well as lower division teams from Spain, Holland, England and Germany so I am sure we could field a competitive team against the weaker teams in South America. Good point, I still don't see you winning against the likes of Bolivia or Peru (don't even mention Venezuela or Ecuador). As for the World Club Cup, even though it it is the World Cup of Clubs, the eventual champion is mostly decided between the European and South American clubs, so other continents tend to get marginalized. I am sure if Mexico wins it, they would make a big deal out of it. It's a good curiosity, but we just take it as that... a curiosity, anyways we feel ashamed of Pachuca. The only way we could make a big deal here, would be a win agaisnt the UCL champion but they taking the championship seriously as well. As for the Gold Cup, Mexico and its fans never took it seriously until they started losing regularly to their north american neighbors. That is normal since rivalries don't really start until both sides become more or less equal in strength. You have to remember that I'm born, raised and still living in Mexico, so my view is about Mexicans in Mexico, not Mexicans in the US, a bit different. We care about the Gold Cup since always, and yeah, we consider the US our rivals, but our rivalry here is not too strong as a Mexican in the US or a Mexican American 'cause we don't have that much of contact with Americans. As for our common heritage, if you read further, you will find out that there are a lot of traditions, and cuisine in Mexican culture that originated in the Philippine and vice versa. And there are a lot of Filipinos who were also descended from Mexicans of Spanish as well as Indian descent and vice versa as well. I particulary know 'bout it, cuz I'd interest in your country and our link while we (New Spain) ruled the Phils... but what I meant is that "the average Joe" don't know 'bout the Phils and the common links with Spain and the former Spanish colonies, I can say that if the word Filipinas o las Islas Filipinas appear more than once in a Hispanic American history book (in school) is too much. |
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Post by cjeagle on Apr 20, 2011 8:06:05 GMT 8
Mpmosh,
Well the Spanish colonial government in Mexico did administer the Philippines which had a governor general for awhile before it was administered directly from Madrid after Mexico became independent.
Soon after independence, Mexico even tried to send reps to the Philippines to see if they were willing to break away from Spain but found they were not ready. When we did have our revolution and managed to take most of the land except Manila itself, Spain decided to take revenge by selling the country to the US who then made war on our newly established government and army resulting in more than a quarter of a million casualties.
As for Latin America's lack of knowledge of the Philippines, they are not alone. America ruled the Philippines for nearly 50 years after Spain. And yet the average American didn't even know the Philippines existed or that they were ever a part of the US until Pacquiao became a household name here in the US.
As for the Azkals, we have never had the full team yet so we don't really know how good this team is until WC qualifiers starts and possibly play one of the stronger teams in Asia. Only then can we have a better picture of where the team stands in international football.
Some German observers even speculated that if we had been able to recruit Alaba of Bayern Munich and De Guzman of Mallorca along with the other players we could even try to reach for the top 50 in FIFA. Of course Alaba is now with Austria and De Guzman is committed(but not captied yet) to the Dutch team so we won't be as strong. They will be having a training camp in Germany in June though and rumor is they might be playing 2nd division teams like Alemania Aachen so we will see how they will do then.
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Post by melbmike on Apr 20, 2011 20:03:16 GMT 8
Actually if we can field our full team including our 2nd generation Filipino European recruits, we now have players from the English premiership, 1st division teams from Denmark and Iceland, 2nd division teams in Germany as well as lower division teams from Spain, Holland, England, France and Germany so I am sure we could field a competitive team against the weaker teams in South America. We only have one player from the Primiership (and he doesn't really play for them). Let's not get to carried away here. Yes its nice that the Azkals are playing better and getting better as well but a team full of lower division players would get man handled in the Copa America. |
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Post by cjeagle on Apr 20, 2011 22:39:43 GMT 8
Actually if we can field our full team including our 2nd generation Filipino European recruits, we now have players from the English premiership, 1st division teams from Denmark and Iceland, 2nd division teams in Germany as well as lower division teams from Spain, Holland, England, France and Germany so I am sure we could field a competitive team against the weaker teams in South America. We only have one player from the Primiership (and he doesn't really play for them). Let's not get to carried away here. Yes its nice that the Azkals are playing better and getting better as well but a team full of lower division players would get man handled in the Copa America. I was just pointing out that we have indeed players who are members of 1st or 2nd division teams in Europe incl. a player who is a reserve goalkeeper of a Premiership club. I never said we had more than one player there in the Premiership. I also never said that we will be beating any teams from South America. All I said was that we can make it competitive against the weaker teams. We don't really know how strong the team is until we face one of the stronger teams in Asia with a full team. Even the FIFA writers consider our team as the darkhorse(surprise package) of the AFC WC qualifiers but that is all pure speculation. Let us wait for the actual games esp. if we get to the 2nd and 3rd round, before we can assess its true potential. |
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Post by cjeagle on Apr 21, 2011 3:50:31 GMT 8
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Post by mrpmosh on Apr 21, 2011 12:00:30 GMT 8
Awful match by Monterrey, really embarassing.
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Post by cjeagle on Apr 21, 2011 14:18:25 GMT 8
mpmosh
Monterrey had most of the shots and chances but couldn't finish because of the Filipino-Mexican goalie I told you about, Nick Rimando. He is 3rd string goalie for the US for a reason inspite of being only 5'10" and the abundance of US goalkeepers who are 6'3" and above. He is the best American goalkeeper playing in the US. Real Salt Lake was also able to keep possession of the ball for long stretches in the game which surprised me.
Now Monterrey has to play at the high altitude and the cold climate of Utah where Real Salt Lake has not lost in 34 consecutive games. De Nigris and Zavala for Mexico and Beckerman for the US will not appear because of accumulation of yellow cards in the 2nd leg.
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